Comments on: The new system of European cups http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/ We speak basketball Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:14:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: European Club competitions will change in 2008/2009 : Ball in Europe - Basketball Blog http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-4862 European Club competitions will change in 2008/2009 : Ball in Europe - Basketball Blog Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:29:52 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-4862 [...] you check the article we have put on BallinEurope in March 2008, you will see that this new has already been announced by [...] [...] you check the article we have put on BallinEurope in March 2008, you will see that this new has already been announced by [...]

]]> By: Eric http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2915 Eric Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:44:29 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2915 I follow Euroleague and Uleb, but I don't understand the value of the "third" division Cup. In France, teams that couldn't make last year p-o in the national champ, were invited to the EuroCup. Sure, those teams didn't win this Cup (France clubs are no-Euro-Power). I am just wondering about the interest of this cup..... I follow Euroleague and Uleb, but I don’t understand the value of the “third” division Cup.
In France, teams that couldn’t make last year p-o in the national champ, were invited to the EuroCup.
Sure, those teams didn’t win this Cup (France clubs are no-Euro-Power). I am just wondering about the interest of this cup…..

]]> By: JonathanG http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2913 JonathanG Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:09:32 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2913 OK, so its just a matter of being xenophobic then, I understand. You don't like people who are different than you. No point in trying to have a logical conversation with you. OK, so its just a matter of being xenophobic then, I understand. You don’t like people who are different than you. No point in trying to have a logical conversation with you.

]]> By: Arkadios http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2909 Arkadios Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:25:51 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2909 Good points there... except for one fact. There is a reason it is called EURO Cup. Because it is a European competition. It is a farm league for NCAA graduates (If they ever actually manage to graduate anyway...) Fans are strange, when Panathinaikos and CSKA win the Euroleague with massive budgets people say that they are practically buying the Euroleague trophy, when a Cypriot or an Estonian team makes it to a European competition Final Four, then the standard is obviously low and they do not have the right to do so... Good points there… except for one fact. There is a reason it is called EURO Cup. Because it is a European competition. It is a farm league for NCAA graduates (If they ever actually manage to graduate anyway…)

Fans are strange, when Panathinaikos and CSKA win the Euroleague with massive budgets people say that they are practically buying the Euroleague trophy, when a Cypriot or an Estonian team makes it to a European competition Final Four, then the standard is obviously low and they do not have the right to do so…

]]> By: JonathanG http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2897 JonathanG Sun, 09 Mar 2008 02:06:08 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2897 Obviously I wasn't talking about this year smartass, I was talking about next, and more importantly about the 2nd tier competition, which will be the ULEB Cup. The FIBA Cup this year is weak...look at the teams that qualified for the Final Four-- the 8th best team in the BBL, a team from Cyprus, the 4th best team in Belgium, and the 4th best team in the BBL. Hardly an endorsement for the quality of the league I'm afraid. If you don't think that's going to be an issue amongst teams from the leagues mentioned above, then obviously you are living in some kind of fantasy world and don't understand much about the way European basketball works. Regarding scouting-- teams scout European players and they scout American players. What does that have to do with anything? The bottom line is that you get a lot more value from signing Americans. They are cheaper, more athletic, and 95% of the time, flat out better. I And btw, go ahead and ask Mons' coach what it's like to have to play with two different sets of rosters every single week. He'll be the first one to tell you that it's hurt them. And he's said as much himself. Obviously I wasn’t talking about this year smartass, I was talking about next, and more importantly about the 2nd tier competition, which will be the ULEB Cup. The FIBA Cup this year is weak…look at the teams that qualified for the Final Four– the 8th best team in the BBL, a team from Cyprus, the 4th best team in Belgium, and the 4th best team in the BBL. Hardly an endorsement for the quality of the league I’m afraid.

If you don’t think that’s going to be an issue amongst teams from the leagues mentioned above, then obviously you are living in some kind of fantasy world and don’t understand much about the way European basketball works.

Regarding scouting– teams scout European players and they scout American players. What does that have to do with anything? The bottom line is that you get a lot more value from signing Americans. They are cheaper, more athletic, and 95% of the time, flat out better. I

And btw, go ahead and ask Mons’ coach what it’s like to have to play with two different sets of rosters every single week. He’ll be the first one to tell you that it’s hurt them. And he’s said as much himself.

]]> By: Arkadios http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2895 Arkadios Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:12:02 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2895 Actually none of the four teams of the Fiba Cup Final Four are Greek, Russian, Spanish or whatever that 'would work for them'... And if you had followed the Fiba Cup you would now that one of the teams is actually Belgique (does this work or not for Belgique teams after all?) while the others are from Cyprus, Latvia and Estonia... So if a team form Cyprus can build a decent team using only 2 Americans surely the German or the French teams can do the same... The 2 Americans rule will actually help European basketball. If some clubs are just too lazy or cheap to do some scouting or youth development and are buying any reject from the NCAA it is not FIBA's problem... Actually none of the four teams of the Fiba Cup Final Four are Greek, Russian, Spanish or whatever that ‘would work for them’…

And if you had followed the Fiba Cup you would now that one of the teams is actually Belgique (does this work or not for Belgique teams after all?) while the others are from Cyprus, Latvia and Estonia…

So if a team form Cyprus can build a decent team using only 2 Americans surely the German or the French teams can do the same…

The 2 Americans rule will actually help European basketball.

If some clubs are just too lazy or cheap to do some scouting or youth development and are buying any reject from the NCAA it is not FIBA’s problem…

]]> By: JonathanG http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2889 JonathanG Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:30:11 +0000 http://www.ballineurope.com/european-basketball/euroleague/the-new-system-of-european-cups/#comment-2889 This is going to fall flat on its face if FIBA tries to make it that teams can only have two non EU (ie: American) players on their roster in those two competitions, like they do now in the FIBA EuroCup. We've seen tons of teams decline to participate in their competitions in the past simply because it made no sense to sign 3-5 Americans like their league allows them to, but not play some of them in such an extended amount of games. It makes practice very difficult, and it basically screws up your entire rotation. This will work for Greek, Russian and Spanish teams, but what about teams from Italy, France, Turkey, Israel. Belgium, Germany, etc? Belgian and German teams are allowed to have between 8-10 Americans on their roster for example... This is going to fall flat on its face if FIBA tries to make it that teams can only have two non EU (ie: American) players on their roster in those two competitions, like they do now in the FIBA EuroCup. We’ve seen tons of teams decline to participate in their competitions in the past simply because it made no sense to sign 3-5 Americans like their league allows them to, but not play some of them in such an extended amount of games. It makes practice very difficult, and it basically screws up your entire rotation.

This will work for Greek, Russian and Spanish teams, but what about teams from Italy, France, Turkey, Israel. Belgium, Germany, etc?

Belgian and German teams are allowed to have between 8-10 Americans on their roster for example…

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