Comments on: Comparing European and NBA travel calls

By: Rick

Rick — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:34:01 +0000

“The key line there is standing still, that is why LeBron’s play wasn’t a travel on the inbounds pass. YOu can take two steps without dribbling on the move.”

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Wow, where does it say THAT in the rules??? Can you cut and paste that part of the rules here?

I see where is says “…b. A player who receives the ball while he is PROGRESSING or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.” However, it says he can stop, pass, or shoot…doesn’t say he can dribble after the two count.

Where is the rule that you are talking about?

By: a

Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:05:21 +0000

“…In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball WHILE STANDING STILL, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor…”

The key line there is standing still, that is why LeBron’s play wasn’t a travel on the inbounds pass. YOu can take two steps without dribbling on the move.

By: Russell Kanning

Russell Kanning — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:34:27 +0000

I agree … Lebron is running with the leather like a tailback in the NFL

By: Jason Gill

Jason Gill — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:34:41 +0000

I think the key factor here is not a rules interpretation but rather the way the violation actually played out on the floor. When American’s commit travelling violations that would be called in Europe they are committing them with the intent that they are legal plays. Without any hesitation or hitch it is difficult for a referee to process the violation. This is similar to what you saw happen with American player’s adjusting to the ball in the cylinder goaltending rule: even when they took the ball out of the basket, it looked like they were committing a violation, solely through body language; inevitable they would stop, think about it and then swipe the ball away.

When they “travel” they don’t betray a violation but rather a fluid part of the game. This makes things hard on the refs.

By: Andres

Andres — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:09:59 +0000

Not surprising at all. LeBron gets away with the four-step travel even here in the US. He made plenty of mistakes to help Spain, so it’s not as if it was a big deal.

It was an exciting gold medal game, but what killed Spain was the turnovers. They shot extremely well, but so did the US. Turnovers are critical and the US players were going after every steal they saw. In past tournaments, the US got screwed by inconsistent refereeing itself, especially with rules that sometimes don’t even make sense. Yet, they only blamed themselves for not winning. Show some class guys, you were clearly the only competition Team USA had.

By: OnlineSnitch.com » Wednesday Bullets

OnlineSnitch.com » Wednesday Bullets — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:39:32 +0000

[...] (Watch the Spanish bench!) In Spain, a lot of things Team USA players did would have been called. Some more [...]

By: carlos

carlos — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:31:21 +0000

One thing that I can understand is that american players have grown up doing those extra steps every time, and no ref has call them ever. For the people that have played ball all their lives now that this kind of quick actions are instinctive so there is nothing that they can do about it, it’s just pure insitinct. Yes here in Euroleague and in national competition ref’s call all those plays.
That is ref’s problems, they must get together before a tournament like this one and talk it out, say what they are going to call and what not, also depending on the situation and the advantadge that the player gets from travelling. For example, the kobie dunk… don’t call travel please. If someone is able to do that (on a fastbreak and all alone) you can’t call him travel, he has got the advantage, that travelling doesn’t give him any advantage at all
By the way has anyone seen what Navarro does on the last possesion of the game?
Anyway, what I don’t like at all are all this people (americans I bet) that are just writing crap and aren’t contributing at all to this discussion.

By: Tony

Tony — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:47:49 +0000

Im spanish
The 2 gasols (the one without courage and the one with the beer belly) stood in the paint for no less than 6 seconds almost at every static attack. Who said that over here? nobody. Why? cos it doesnt sell papers which is the main reason why all this whining crap is coming from
Enjoy ball.

By: Nikola

Nikola — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:38:19 +0000

wow and LOL @ Kobe’s travelling! but refs were real weak @ these olympics

By: Xavier

Xavier — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:07:30 +0000

ChicagoBull,
try to read last DTC comment and try not to lose YOUR dignity by showing your cockyness instead of your knowledge.

I don’t want to reiterate me with all this traveling topic because when I do so it looks like i’m whining and its not. Just saying that if you would have been involved in FIBA ball since being 9, and like most of euro basketball fans would be able to recognise a travelling this discussion might never happen.