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		<title>By: Ching Chong Chink</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6420</link>
		<dc:creator>Ching Chong Chink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you apologists for Spain, go here:

Spanish Basketball team: Asian response to Slant-Eye picture
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=z64i-pZZgYI&amp;feature=related


These babes (I guess you would call them China dolls, but I call them “way above your pay-grade”) will eat you for breakfast, hands tied and blindfolded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you apologists for Spain, go here:</p>
<p>Spanish Basketball team: Asian response to Slant-Eye picture<br />
<a href="http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=z64i-pZZgYI&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=z64i-pZZgYI&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>These babes (I guess you would call them China dolls, but I call them “way above your pay-grade”) will eat you for breakfast, hands tied and blindfolded.</p>
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		<title>By: Slant-eyed Asian</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6269</link>
		<dc:creator>Slant-eyed Asian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You’ve heard of the fearsome team from Spain:
They persevered for Gold in vain.
Poised with confidence, unrestrained,
Their eyes betrayed the heart they feign.

“Friendly and harmless, simple and plain.
You read into it; it’s all in your brain.”
Such words of comfort they hope have regained
The misplaced trust ever more to attain.

Good humor they claimed they wish to retain,
But it all came under fire and rain.
In centuries passed, their glory has waned,
In clueless oblivion they choose to remain.

Shell-struck people of Asian terrain
Witness again the white man’s refrain.
Branded “sub-human”, they once were detained
In the confines of their master’s domain.

So goes the story of the team from Spain:
They persevere for support in vain.
Poised with resolve, but now restrained,
Their shame foreshadows all that they feign.

I am your slant-eye, but this I maintain:
My blood is as red as that in your vein.
My insides are torn, my emotions drained,
To hear you proclaim there’s no one in pain.

…by Slant-eyed Asian…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’ve heard of the fearsome team from Spain:<br />
They persevered for Gold in vain.<br />
Poised with confidence, unrestrained,<br />
Their eyes betrayed the heart they feign.</p>
<p>“Friendly and harmless, simple and plain.<br />
You read into it; it’s all in your brain.”<br />
Such words of comfort they hope have regained<br />
The misplaced trust ever more to attain.</p>
<p>Good humor they claimed they wish to retain,<br />
But it all came under fire and rain.<br />
In centuries passed, their glory has waned,<br />
In clueless oblivion they choose to remain.</p>
<p>Shell-struck people of Asian terrain<br />
Witness again the white man’s refrain.<br />
Branded “sub-human”, they once were detained<br />
In the confines of their master’s domain.</p>
<p>So goes the story of the team from Spain:<br />
They persevere for support in vain.<br />
Poised with resolve, but now restrained,<br />
Their shame foreshadows all that they feign.</p>
<p>I am your slant-eye, but this I maintain:<br />
My blood is as red as that in your vein.<br />
My insides are torn, my emotions drained,<br />
To hear you proclaim there’s no one in pain.</p>
<p>…by Slant-eyed Asian…</p>
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		<title>By: Tad Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6268</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 03:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just knew some hot-air buffoon would bite, if I inserted the word “stupid” in my post.  You are so predictable, you angry little man.

I’d love to stay and chat, but as we say in Spain，MIGATA  GO !  Good luck twisting yourself into a pretzel, apologizing for the Spanish Team.

I’ll give you the last word.  Knock yourself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just knew some hot-air buffoon would bite, if I inserted the word “stupid” in my post.  You are so predictable, you angry little man.</p>
<p>I’d love to stay and chat, but as we say in Spain，MIGATA  GO !  Good luck twisting yourself into a pretzel, apologizing for the Spanish Team.</p>
<p>I’ll give you the last word.  Knock yourself out.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6232</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me, from following this discussion, that, generally speaking, it is the North Americans (Asian or otherwise) who feel that this gesture is terribly racist, while most Spanish, don&#039;t seem to understand why this would be racist at all, as in Spain, apparently it is not.

I do not accept that such a gesture may be interpreted as universally offensive.

Hearing the American argument that the Spanish basketball players should have known better and should have been more aware of  international culture (to be read: American culture) makes me laugh. It is perhaps true that these players have displayed an ignorance of American culture. But considering that most Americans have little to no clue what goes on outside of its borders, the accusation of ignorance, which seems the only sensible accusation in this case, is ludicrous, when it comes from Americans.

Oh, and congratulations to the Spanish team for making the finals, although, to be honest I was hoping for a USA-LIT final.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me, from following this discussion, that, generally speaking, it is the North Americans (Asian or otherwise) who feel that this gesture is terribly racist, while most Spanish, don&#8217;t seem to understand why this would be racist at all, as in Spain, apparently it is not.</p>
<p>I do not accept that such a gesture may be interpreted as universally offensive.</p>
<p>Hearing the American argument that the Spanish basketball players should have known better and should have been more aware of  international culture (to be read: American culture) makes me laugh. It is perhaps true that these players have displayed an ignorance of American culture. But considering that most Americans have little to no clue what goes on outside of its borders, the accusation of ignorance, which seems the only sensible accusation in this case, is ludicrous, when it comes from Americans.</p>
<p>Oh, and congratulations to the Spanish team for making the finals, although, to be honest I was hoping for a USA-LIT final.</p>
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		<title>By: migala</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>migala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh god, is this for real?
it takes calderon, ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh god, is this for real?<br />
it takes calderon, ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Baggio Claderoza</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6158</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggio Claderoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Slant-brained Spanish Team,

How many Spaniards does it take to change a liight bulb?
A. 5
B.15
C. What”s a light bulb?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Slant-brained Spanish Team,</p>
<p>How many Spaniards does it take to change a liight bulb?<br />
A. 5<br />
B.15<br />
C. What”s a light bulb?</p>
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		<title>By: migala72</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6141</link>
		<dc:creator>migala72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me remind you: no Chinese person in Spain has felt offended (and apart from what i have been reading here, believe me, I live in a place with many Chinese-Spanish or just plain Chinese population), neither in China. And the China Embassy in Spain has released an statement saying that they don´t feel offended at all. 

Just for you to know. Stop talking smack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me remind you: no Chinese person in Spain has felt offended (and apart from what i have been reading here, believe me, I live in a place with many Chinese-Spanish or just plain Chinese population), neither in China. And the China Embassy in Spain has released an statement saying that they don´t feel offended at all. </p>
<p>Just for you to know. Stop talking smack.</p>
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		<title>By: migala72</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6140</link>
		<dc:creator>migala72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are just plain stupid Tad Nathaniel (and you have started saying &quot;Dear stupid Spaniards). The comparison is just dumb. I guess you didn´t attend any of your debate classes, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are just plain stupid Tad Nathaniel (and you have started saying &#8220;Dear stupid Spaniards). The comparison is just dumb. I guess you didn´t attend any of your debate classes, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Tad Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-6130</link>
		<dc:creator>Tad Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time-slip, if you will, back to the 1950-1960&#039;s.  The boss (of course, male) walks into the office, and pats his female secretary&#039;s rear end.  He says, &quot; I like them round and plump.&quot;  Now, someone from the 21st century tells this boss that he has done and said an awful thing, and he is being downright sexist.

His response:  &quot;I was giving my secretary a friendly greeting.  It was just harmless fun.  It is absurd for anyone to make a big thing of it.  How could women possibly take offense at this?  I&#039;ll have you know that I am friends with many women!&quot;

Dear stupid Spaniards, don&#039; t you think it&#039;s about time you learned that it is offensive when the people you direct your words and actions think it&#039;s offensive.  The one dishing it out has no say in whether people should be offended or not.

Join us.  We have already moved into the 21st century.  Hope you can catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time-slip, if you will, back to the 1950-1960&#8217;s.  The boss (of course, male) walks into the office, and pats his female secretary&#8217;s rear end.  He says, &#8221; I like them round and plump.&#8221;  Now, someone from the 21st century tells this boss that he has done and said an awful thing, and he is being downright sexist.</p>
<p>His response:  &#8220;I was giving my secretary a friendly greeting.  It was just harmless fun.  It is absurd for anyone to make a big thing of it.  How could women possibly take offense at this?  I&#8217;ll have you know that I am friends with many women!&#8221;</p>
<p>Dear stupid Spaniards, don&#8217; t you think it&#8217;s about time you learned that it is offensive when the people you direct your words and actions think it&#8217;s offensive.  The one dishing it out has no say in whether people should be offended or not.</p>
<p>Join us.  We have already moved into the 21st century.  Hope you can catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Nothmar</title>
		<link>http://www.ballineurope.com/national-teams/controversy-around-the-spanish-national-team/#comment-5956</link>
		<dc:creator>Nothmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We in the asian community are not seeking to damage people but since the issue was presented by a group of people that are ambassadors and sports heroes, which are looked highly upon in Spain and Europe in a global stage.

This is a discussion.  People are making comments to tell people to stop discussing the issue especialy since the topic is still a hot topic is absurd.  We have a right to discuss the issue especially since there are still a lot of misconceptions presented including in this job board.

We dont expect other races to know asian social codes in the world but basic common sense and sensitivity to other cultures is in order.  

Think about the repercussions.  

These guys are basketball heroes in Spain and elsewhere in Europe.  European kids look up to them.  Potentially, younger kids who idolize these players, start imitating them and start making slant eye gestures or even calling ethnic slurs to asian kids in school and think it is acceptable and &quot;funny&quot;.    It is a matter of time when kids of asian descent start loosing their confidence because of their peers making fun of them and which may potentially build anger for these kids growing up.   Some people, even chinese in china, may not understand this racial insensitivies because they have not experienced growing up in different cultures.   It is not acceptable nonetheless.

Nobody is perfect we understand.  But these guys need to make a full apology to the asian community because of their status in the sports community.  The apology should not be half hearted and they should not continue to make comments that even though it was made in fun that it is acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We in the asian community are not seeking to damage people but since the issue was presented by a group of people that are ambassadors and sports heroes, which are looked highly upon in Spain and Europe in a global stage.</p>
<p>This is a discussion.  People are making comments to tell people to stop discussing the issue especialy since the topic is still a hot topic is absurd.  We have a right to discuss the issue especially since there are still a lot of misconceptions presented including in this job board.</p>
<p>We dont expect other races to know asian social codes in the world but basic common sense and sensitivity to other cultures is in order.  </p>
<p>Think about the repercussions.  </p>
<p>These guys are basketball heroes in Spain and elsewhere in Europe.  European kids look up to them.  Potentially, younger kids who idolize these players, start imitating them and start making slant eye gestures or even calling ethnic slurs to asian kids in school and think it is acceptable and &#8220;funny&#8221;.    It is a matter of time when kids of asian descent start loosing their confidence because of their peers making fun of them and which may potentially build anger for these kids growing up.   Some people, even chinese in china, may not understand this racial insensitivies because they have not experienced growing up in different cultures.   It is not acceptable nonetheless.</p>
<p>Nobody is perfect we understand.  But these guys need to make a full apology to the asian community because of their status in the sports community.  The apology should not be half hearted and they should not continue to make comments that even though it was made in fun that it is acceptable.</p>
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