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Bertomeu: Euroleague doesn’t need NBA players, system (Welllllll…)

May 10, 2012

BallinEurope heads out to Istanbul this morning to join the scene at this year’s Euroleague Final Four and start pumping out four days’ worth of steady reportage, historical stuff, stats, quotes, video, etc. But BiE figured he’d leave you temporarily with some gauntlet-throwing type stuff by EL CEO Jordi Bertomeu.

In what became a widely reported story, Bertomeu held a press conference yesterday in which he had a few scripted remarks to make vis-à-vis his Euroleague’s position in international club basketball.

Said Bertomeu, “We are very proud of that fact and we will stay faithful to our principles because we have proved that we don’t need NBA imports to be a top-quality competition drawing millions of fans across Europe…

Wellllllllll, not to trigger another firestorm here, but while the Euroleague clearly doesn’t *need* NBA players, BiE cannot deny the effect some NBA players – even the short-term lockout refugees – have had in 2011-12. CSKA aside, what about the EL longevity given to Žalgiris Kaunas and Emporio Armani Milano…?

“The NBA does a superb job marketing its product,” continued the CEO, “but our path to success is different, and it’s rooted in the fact that every game in the Euroleague regular season makes a difference…”

Teams that contracted locked-out NBA players, maintains Bertomeu, “did not really benefit from their short-term imports while those who built their rosters consistently are here in Istanbul, challenging for the trophy.”

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, no argument can be forthcoming regarding three of the Final Four participants, but, um, what about the favorites? Not only is CSKA Moscow pretty heavy on former/future NBA guys like Andrei Kirilenko, Nenad Krstic and Viktor Khryapa, the Red Army retooled for this season by explicitly plunging money into the free-agent market; few would deny that Moscow’s success in 2011-12 is due to key acquisitions who didn’t come up through the system.

This is not to say, however, that the European development method can’t win the big league – far from it: What Bertomeu might call “classically developed teams,” Panathinaikos and FC Barcelona, have won four of the previous five Euroleague titles. But fans of MLB baseball (and some other leagues) know that today there are two roads to a championship: The wheeling-and-dealing route and the moneyball route. CSKA could well win this year’s big prize perhaps in defiance of Bertomeu’s desire.

“The quality of our teams is a result of the superb jobs our coaches are doing and the hard work of our players, so our objective is to improve by using our own resources rather than by becoming a carbon copy of the NBA … Basketball is a team sport in Europe more so than in the NBA, where individual talent and skill is the decisive factor separating the teams.”

Fair enough; for an American, the thing that BiE has always loved the most about Euroleague and European basketball in general is the feeling of peering into an alternate basketball universe, one in which the game is played from the inside-out rather than the outside-in, where nearly every player perfects his jumpshot and defenses are based on team vs. team rather than player vs. player. BiE hopes it never changes.

Finally, BiE digs Bertomeu’s vision of the short- to medium-term future: “The quality of basketball in Europe has never been closer to that in the NBA and we are looking to expand our market in countries like Germany and the United Kingdom, which have a huge potential to improve.”

And now, Istanbul.

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Comments: 47
  1. Niko
    13 years ago

    [url]http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/istanbul-2012/main-page/i/97242/7005[/url]

    CSKA Moscow forward Andrei Kirilenko:

    “I’m very happy to be here. The Euroleague is a great competition and the four best teams in Europe are playing this Final Four. It is going to be very tough to lift the trophy, but I think we did a pretty good job during the season and deserve to play here.

    “I am pretty sure all four teams here could be in the NBA playoffs.”

    Of course people like Gabe and Phileus will claim that he “lied”. Bottom line, Euroleague is every bit as good or better than the NBA. I have been watching all the NBA playoffs and the NBA simply does not have very many good teams. The Spurs and Heat are about it.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      Aw Niko, you immediately thought of me! I’m so touched :’)

      Contrary to what you might think, I don’t think it’s such a crazy assertion, really. Remember, over half of the NBA teams make the playoffs (16 of 30 teams), meaning one team that is literally “below average” will make it (usually, because of the East-West divide, several teams that are “below average” record-wise make it to the playoffs).

      So what this means is that the four very best teams in the Euroleague are good enough to be average NBA teams. Well, on a talent level, that is hard to believe frankly. Part of the reason is that we’re not just trolling when we say that the former NBA players that stand out in the Euroleague were usually mediocre bench players in the NBA (Khryapa and Krstic in particular). That fact, plus the grind of an 82-game season (with longer games) makes it hard to believe, but not outside the realm of possibility altogether, that they would qualify for the playoffs.

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  2. Niko
    13 years ago

    http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/istanbul-2012/main-page/i/97242/7005

    CSKA Moscow forward Andrei Kirilenko:

    “I’m very happy to be here. The Euroleague is a great competition and the four best teams in Europe are playing this Final Four. It is going to be very tough to lift the trophy, but I think we did a pretty good job during the season and deserve to play here.

    “I am pretty sure all four teams here could be in the NBA playoffs.”

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Yeah the Euroleague is as bit as good or better than the NBA with Kirilenko and Krstic the top players on one of the top four teams. lol

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  3. Niko
    13 years ago

    Gabe just magically instantly appears out of nowhere as soon as this is posted.

    Gabe is an NBA employee. CONFIRMED.

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  4. Niko
    13 years ago

    I like how the website breaks down what Bertomeu says, and questions it, as if to be like how dare he even consider NBA isn’t better than Euroleague.

    But when a player that has played many years in the NBA, even last year in the NBA, and is playing now in the Euroleague, says that the Euroleague final four teams could all make the NBA playoffs………the site fails to even mention it at all.

    Os Davis, if you really want to be fair and objective, then you really should put a blog discussion about Kirilenko saying the Euroleague final four teams could all make the NBA playoffs.

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  5. Gabe
    13 years ago

    Also think of it. Here is Kirilenko, who for the past five has been nothing more than a role player in the NBA, most NBA fans not in Utah probably don’t even realize he’s not in the league anymore, comes over to Euroleague wins defensive player of the year and this weekend has the potential to win a championship, final four MVP and league MVP. Of course he’s going to talk Euroleague up since any casual NBA fans who take notice of how Kirilenko has dominated in Europe will just consider Euroleague more bush league than it really is.

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  6. Phileus
    13 years ago

    To offer my (semi-)American persective on the comments:

    Frankly, I’d be more impressed if he said “we don’t need American players at all, either ex-NBA players or ex-NCAA players.” Sure, you don’t need NBA players. The style of the game is different, the expectations are different, the system is different, etc. etc. But why not say “we don’t need non-NBA American players” altogether? Why do top European teams keep scraping the bottom of the NCAA barrel for talent? If your development system is so good, then why are there so many American players in the league still? Kick them all out! Down with America!

    What he said about “every game in the Euroleague matters,” though, really is true. All NBA coaches would agree that the NBA season is too long. It’s especially obvious when you have smart coaches with somewhat older players (like the Spurs and Celtics): the coaches will rest their best players for entire games at a time simply because the regular season games are meaningless if you’re an elite team that will definitely make the playoffs. It’s a waste of money for the fans who attend those games, but understandable from the coaches’ perspective.

    The development system thing is also probably true (from what I can tell, anyway). The American AAU/NCAA system is far worse than just being idiotic; it’s exploitative of the players, counter-productive to developing talent, and simply an inefficient mistake of history. I really wish the NBA would use its D-League teams to scout out and develop high-school level talent, at least. The American system is broken.

    Generally, it’s obvious that the Euroleague doesn’t need to be a carbon copy of the NBA, and its fans will loyally love its product still. The constant defensive, almost rabid posts on this site by Niko, Apollo, Apollo, Apollo, Apollo, Apollo, and Apollo show that pretty clearly.

    But honestly, the NBA is still the primary international brand of basketball. Nobody in, say, China really cares about CSKA Moscow or Olympiakos or Barcelona. Nobody there dreams of “making it to the Euroleague.” So the Euroleague brand is great for Europe, and you can be proud of that if that’s your only goal (as it seems to be), but in terms of the global market, it is, objectively speaking, the inferior brand. If that doesn’t matter to the Euroleague executives and its fans, though, then great. We can all be happy 😉

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  7. Rt
    13 years ago

    Why do top European teams keep scraping the bottom of the NCAA barrel for talent?

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    Put down the crack pipe.

    JUST STOP

    You actually became an even bigger troll Gabe now in my mind.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      Mike Batiste, Romain Sato, JR Holden, Nick Calathes, Jeremy Pargo, Trajan Langdon, Bo McCalebb… all NCAA players who have either starred on, or been key contributors to, top Euroleague teams (just off the top of my head), who either didn’t make the NBA or didn’t make an impact in the NBA when they were there. Hence they were “the bottom of the barrel” of NCAA talent (still top-class players, of course).

      Stop being so angry and answer my question. Why not just stop hiring American players altogether if you really want your league to be so xenophobic?

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  8. Rt
    13 years ago

    Nobody in, say, China really cares about CSKA Moscow or Olympiakos or Barcelona. Nobody there dreams of “making it to the Euroleague.”

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    Wrong. Millions of people in China follow Euroleague and CSKA is their favorite team. Chinese media was all over Istanbul at media day. Two of the biggest Chinese stations are airing the final four on TV.

    STOP making up bull shit here.

    It’s REALLY getting old.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      Hey that’s funny, because when I lived in China, nobody was rushing to buy CSKA Moscow jerseys or pretending to be Dimitris Diamantidis. They were buying (fake) Lakers jerseys and pretending to be Allen Iverson. I mentioned China particularly because it’s obviously the biggest new market for basketball branding, and sports leaders want their basketball players either in the CBA or in the NBA. It’s just not worth sending their players to Europe in their minds. Maybe that’ll change in the future, but that’s how it is now.

      I’m sorry if it hurts, but that’s a fact! Trying to say that the Euroleague is even close to the same level of popularity as the NBA in China is like saying that the Earth is flat 😛

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  9. Rt
    13 years ago

    So the Euroleague brand is great for Europe, and you can be proud of that if that’s your only goal (as it seems to be), but in terms of the global market, it is, objectively speaking, the inferior brand.
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    http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/istanbul-2012/main-page/i/97242/7005

    “The Final Four is growing every year. It’s growing in many aspects. In TV distribution, this Final Four will reach 174 countries on five continents. We have 650 members of the media here. We expect millions of television viewers and even more on Euroleague.net, our official web site. And we will have 15,000 passionate fans at Sinan Erdem Arena.

    This does not even count the countries and viewers that can watch online like with ESPN3.com (like Canada and USA, etc.).

    You are totally delusional. When ESPN (on TV) Canal+, Viasat, Al Jazeera, CCTV, Setanta, Supersport, Guangdong TV……………………

    when those types of broadcasters are airing the final four live on TV, you are going to come with this absurd crap about how the Euroleague has no global presence and no market outside of Europe.

    Apollo is right. You people are just retarded.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      The final four will reach 174 on five continents…unfortunately no one will watch it. lol

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      • Gabe
        13 years ago

        Wait to the Olympics in London. I bet it will be the exact same as four years ago in Beijing. Team USA will be treated like the biggest celebrities at the event with crowds following their every movement while teams with mainly Euroleague players like Greece and Lithuania will be able to walk the streets in anonymity just like in 2008.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      I’m sorry, but if you’re trying to prove that those numbers show that the Euroleague is the better international brand than the NBA, then it might help if you actually compared the numbers to NBA numbers: 215 countries and territories in 46 languages. Oh wow, that’s more than the Euroleague!

      Also, you lied and misquoted me. I never said the Euroleague has “no global presence and no market outside of Europe.” That’s obviously wrong. What I said is that it’s probably more popular in Europe, but undeniably less popular worldwide. That’s obviously correct.

      This is a losing argument for you, because facts just so happen to support what I said. That’s one of the many, many differences between you and me. I can distinguish between reality and what I wish was reality, and I don’t ignore reality when those two happen to be different 😉

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  10. Rt
    13 years ago

    Aw Niko, you immediately thought of me! I’m so touched :’)

    Contrary to what you might think, I don’t think it’s such a crazy assertion, really. Remember, over half of the NBA teams make the playoffs (16 of 30 teams), meaning one team that is literally “below average” will make it (usually, because of the East-West divide, several teams that are “below average” record-wise make it to the playoffs).

    So what this means is that the four very best teams in the Euroleague are good enough to be average NBA teams. Well, on a talent level, that is hard to believe frankly. Part of the reason is that we’re not just trolling when we say that the former NBA players that stand out in the Euroleague were usually mediocre bench players in the NBA (Khryapa and Krstic in particular). That fact, plus the grind of an 82-game season (with longer games) makes it hard to believe, but not outside the realm of possibility altogether, that they would qualify for the playoffs.

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    You are a moron.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      Thanks for showing us how capable you are of making intelligent contributions to the discussion 😀

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  11. Sugel
    13 years ago

    With barely 48 hours having passed since their series openers, the Turkish Airlines Euroleague Playoffs return in full force on Thursday as eight would-be Final Four teams adjust their strategies on the fly. All four winning home teams from Game 1 will get the chance on Thursday, on their own floors once again, to put themselves within a single victory of reaching the Final Four. In the two seasons since the Playoffs went to a best-of-five format, any team that took a 2-0 lead has advanced. On the flip side of the coin, all of the Game 1 losers will be looking for upsets on Thursday that would not only keep them from an 0-2 predicament, but would also give them the advantage in tie series that would then shift to their own home courts for two games next week.

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  12. Apollo
    13 years ago

    “Mike Batiste, Romain Sato, JR Holden, Nick Calathes, Jeremy Pargo, Trajan Langdon, Bo McCalebb… all NCAA players who have either starred on, or been key contributors to, top Euroleague teams (just off the top of my head), who either didn’t make the NBA or didn’t make an impact in the NBA when they were there. Hence they were “the bottom of the barrel” of NCAA talent (still top-class players, of course).

    Stop being so angry and answer my question. Why not just stop hiring American players altogether if you really want your league to be so xenophobic?”

    I hate you.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      ^__^

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  13. Apollo
    13 years ago

    Phileus says:
    May 11, 2012 at 5.18am

    “Hey that’s funny, because when I lived in China, nobody was rushing to buy CSKA Moscow jerseys or pretending to be Dimitris Diamantidis. They were buying (fake) Lakers jerseys and pretending to be Allen Iverson. I mentioned China particularly because it’s obviously the biggest new market for basketball branding, and sports leaders want their basketball players either in the CBA or in the NBA. It’s just not worth sending their players to Europe in their minds. Maybe that’ll change in the future, but that’s how it is now.

    I’m sorry if it hurts, but that’s a fact! Trying to say that the Euroleague is even close to the same level of popularity as the NBA in China is like saying that the Earth is flat :P”

    First you have never been to China. Second, you have never been outside the USA.

    Third, they just showed on Greek media where the Chinese reporters were interviewing CSKA coach Jonas Kazlauskas and they said that millions of people in China watch Euroleague and that CSKA is the favorite team in China.

    They also showed the Chinese media flocking to interview Vassilis Spanoulis. They said Spanoulis is the most popular European player in China, and one of the most popular of any players there.

    They also said that his nickname in China is “Euro Kobe”.

    Strange how the Chinese media would be their an interviewing these players and coaches, even having nicknames for them if they don’t ever follow Euroleague in the NBA.

    Hell, they even showed where Spanoulis was freaking signing posters, pictures, balls, etc. with Chinese media. He was posing for pics with them, etc.

    Pretty off behavior if they never saw a Euroleague game. Also pretty odd behavior of Guangdong TV to be broadcasting the final four live in China if no one is going to watch it.

    ” Sports Channel

    Launched on August 28, 1994 , formerly known as the “Guangdong Cable TV sports channel. In July 2001, merged with Guangdong TV Sports Center. South China ‘s largest sports specialty channel, that broadcasts a number of major sporting events at home and abroad, through a wired television network covering the province of Guangdong. The channel broadcasts program content in Cantonese and Mandarin. ”

    Why the freaking hell would the largest sports channel in China be broadcasting the final four live on TV if no one in China knew anything about the Euroleague.

    You guys are such a disgrace with the comments you make here on a daily basis.

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      First, you’re wrong 😉 Second, you’re even more wrong about that 😛 I honestly can’t believe you’re trying to make statements about my personal life, when you have no idea about who I am. That would be like if I said that you’re not actually Greek, but rather, just a lonely little troll living in Arkansas… 😉

      Third, you know, I’m willing to admit that things may have changed since I was there (which was when Allen Iverson was still a relevant player :P). That sort of attention would have been unthinkable back then, at least where I was. But that’s not your main point.

      Your main point is that the Euroleague is on par with the NBA in China. That point is still wrong.

      When it became clear that Yao Ming was a special, once-in-a-lifetime player, where did the government want to send him? To the NBA, of course. It never even occurred to them to send him to the Euroleague. Why? Because, in the eyes of the public, it wouldn’t have had the same legitimizing effect.

      NBA players sell the most jerseys. NBA players get the most respect when they visit (remember the 2008 Olympics? Holy crap!). Even mediocre NBA players get lucrative shoe deals from Chinese sporting goods companies!

      The fact that Spanoulis is called “Euro Kobe,” ironically, drives the point home. Even Europe’s best player (in your opinion) is only defined in relation to an American player. They sure as heck don’t call Kobe “American Spanoulis.”

      If you’re interested, I could send you a few articles about the NBA’s massive profits in China and successes (and some big mistakes, too) in their attempt to continue to expand.

      That’s all still off topic, though. My main point (and the reason I brought up China as an example) is that the NBA is still the world’s biggest basketball brand. So maybe millions of fans also like the Euroleague more, or like both the Euroleague and the NBA equally. But – for whatever reason (marketing, opinions on the style quality and of play of play, personalities of players, history, whatever) – the NBA is still the biggest basketball brand in the world. It pays its players the most, makes the most profits, broadcasts in the most places, brings in the most top-tier players from around the world.

      I don’t see why you’re so upset about this point. Bertomeu said “we’re our own brand, we don’t need to be the NBA.” I just said, “Okay, fine, but the NBA brand is financially more successful.” This is just the reality, dude.

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  14. Apollo
    13 years ago

    Phileus says:
    May 11, 2012 at 5.28am

    “I’m sorry, but if you’re trying to prove that those numbers show that the Euroleague is the better international brand than the NBA, then it might help if you actually compared the numbers to NBA numbers: 215 countries and territories in 46 languages. Oh wow, that’s more than the Euroleague!

    Also, you lied and misquoted me. I never said the Euroleague has “no global presence and no market outside of Europe.” That’s obviously wrong. What I said is that it’s probably more popular in Europe, but undeniably less popular worldwide. That’s obviously correct.

    This is a losing argument for you, because facts just so happen to support what I said. That’s one of the many, many differences between you and me. I can distinguish between reality and what I wish was reality, and I don’t ignore reality when those two happen to be different 😉 ”

    First of all, the Euroleague final four this year is being broadcast in 196 countries counting the internet. Like how in the US it is only broadcast online and not on TV. So it’s 196 counting the internet.

    Second, genius, there are only 196 countries in the world – with the final four being available in all of them, either in TV or internet.

    The NBA can’t be viewed in 215 countries when there are only 196 in existence. Just exactly how many lies can you idiots spread here?

    “Yeah yeah the NBA is aired in 215 countries, even though there are only 196 in the world. The NBA is just that awesome man.”…………………………

    good god

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      Your arguments are a lot easier when you just misquote and lie about what others said, aren’t they? 😛

      What I actually said was: “215 countries and territories”

      “215 countries and territories”

      Once more: “215 countries and territories”

      One more time! “215 countries … and territories”

      Like Gabe said, though, it doesn’t really matter how many countries (and territories!) it’s shown in, but how many people watch it. I’d easily believe that Euroleague is more popular in Greece and Spain than the NBA, but for countries like Germany or Slovenia or the Netherlands, I’m just not so sure. Then again, I can’t find any data on it, so I won’t make claims one way or another.

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  15. Gabe
    13 years ago

    And to add to this argument, people in Europe follow the NBA or at least buy it’s merchandise, I’ve been to London and Rome and seen lots of NBA jerseys, hats, etc… while I would say 99% of Americans have no idea that Euroleague exists. And that goes for 80% of American basketball fans. Yeah sure they know there’s a league in Europe where players who can’t make it in the NBA go but they won’t be able to name one Euroleague team or player.

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  16. Erik
    13 years ago

    1. The NBA does not make the most profits. It actually LOSES hundreds of millions of dollars every year. The Euroleague is FAR MORE profitable than the NBA is, as it actually yields a profit, instead of losing hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

    2. All this talk about China and the NBA and they worship it and they have no idea what the Euroleague is, or won’t send their players there.

    Yao Ming said that after watching a season of Euroleague, that it is a higher level of competition than the NBA is. He also said that he was recommending to China’s Basketball Federattion that in the future, China try to send its best players to play in the Euroleague and not the NBA.

    Because he said that it will help make their national team better.

    So, carry on with your troll assault.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      First off didn’t say it’s a higher level he said “I think that the European league is not any worse than the NBA” . And he never said for China to send it’s players to Euroleague not the NBA he said “sending our players to play in European leagues, or in American leagues, or wherever”.
      But good attempt at twisting his words around. He was also being interviewed by Euroleague so he was being diplomatic. There is a reason why China’s top players like Yao and Yi play in the NBA in not Euroleague.

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  17. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Hey, look what I said before:

    “I mentioned China particularly because it’s obviously the biggest new market for basketball branding, and sports leaders want their basketball players either in the CBA or in the NBA. It’s just not worth sending their players to Europe in their minds. Maybe that’ll change in the future, but that’s how it is now.”

    So, just like Yao said, maybe it will change in the future. But it’s not reality *right now.* It’s not even particularly close, actually.

    Show me jersey sale figures of Euroleague players in China right now. Show me ratings of Euroleague games in China. Once they hold a candle to American figures, then we’ll start talking.

    Like I said, maybe it will change in the future! Who knows? But the reality at the present is that the NBA is the superior, more popular brand 🙂

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  18. Phileus
    13 years ago

    You know, I was curious about what Yao had actually said, so I looked it up and, surprise, surprise, you completely misquoted what he said 😛

    What you claimed that Yao said:
    “Yao Ming said that after watching a season of Euroleague, that it is a higher level of competition than the NBA is.”

    What Yao actually said:
    “First of all, I think that the European league is not any worse than the NBA, so they don’t need to think about getting a player like me who already has an injury and is thinking about retirement. It’s the same good league as NBA right here, it’s just a different game, under the FIBA rules, as opposed to the NBA rules. It’s a very fun game with a lot of attention and a lot of fans. I heard that here in Greece basketball is the most popular game in the country. I am glad to hear that and hopefully one day it can be dominant in all of Europe.”

    >> Wait, so the NBA and Euroleague are just “different styles”? Hey, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying all along. It’s nice to know that a player like Yao agrees with me 🙂

    What you claimed that Yao said:
    “He also said that he was recommending to China’s Basketball Federattion that in the future, China try to send its best players to play in the Euroleague and not the NBA. ”

    What Yao actually said:
    “In Asian basketball we’ve improved, but not enough yet to catch up to the basketball level in Europe. And the way to change that is sending our players to play in European leagues, or in American leagues, or wherever, so we can know how good basketball should be played and bring back those ideas and share them with all the young players in China.”

    >> “European leagues, or American leagues, or wherever” sure seems a lot different from “send its best players to play in the Euroleague and not the NBA.” He did say that China plays under FIBA rules, unlike the NBA, but he did not say they should go to the Euroleague, and not the NBA. Wow.

    Link: http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/86262/180

    So basically, you showed us once again that you’re happy to make up facts, misquote people to distort the truth, and ignore people who prove you wrong. Do you even like basketball, or do you just like arguing? 😛

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  19. Celaya
    13 years ago

    So, Yao confirmed, as did Kirilenko, that the NBA isn’t better than the Euroleague. Yet, you fools are still here trolling and insulting with rude comments against anyone that says that. Are you guys on drugs? Serious question.

    I also want to comment for this claim that the Euroleague has no presence in China or United Kingdom. It has already been shown false that Euroleague has no presence in China by others comments here. Even though the NBA only fans can’t accept the reality. Big surprise.

    But also, Euroleague will now have quite a big presence in United Kingdom. Gabe is claiming that only the NBA will get a presence from the 2012 Olympics in UK. This is false. As many of the top Euroleague players will also be showcased there.

    In addition to this, the Euroleague just announced this:

    http://www.euroleague.net/final-four/istanbul-2012/main-page/i/97437/7005

    Mr. Jay Marciano, President & CEO AEG Europe

    “We’re very excited to announce that AEG and The O2 will be hosting the Turkish Airlines Euroleague Final Four in both 2013 and 2014. Whilst The O2 is no stranger to basketball – it has hosted regular season NBA games and will host the London 2012 Olympic Games basketball final round – we are proud that Euroleague Basketball have for the first time chosen to hold the Final Four in the same venue over consecutive years.”

    So actually the next two Euroleague Final Fours will take place in London. The first time any city hosted it back to back. Between this and the Euroleague players, and top flight basketball in general, being showcased at the Olympics, the Euroleague will definitely gain a large presence in the UK soon.

    The CEO of Euroleague also recently said that they are close to securing large TV contracts to broadcast the Euroleague in both Germany and the UK. Right now, they just get the Eurocup games.

    This will be HUGE for Euroleague. A few years back, Euroleague did not have the TV markets in France, Turkey, Italy, and Russia. Then, they were able to get TV contracts in those markets.

    The explosion of Euroleague since then in those markets has been unbelievable. Especially in Turkey and Italy. Now the Euroleague is making a lot more money and basketball is growing with huge strides in those countries. The Euroleague is also killing the NBA in ratings in those countries, except France.

    So now if they add both Germany and the UK with TV deals, then Euroleague is going to be HUGE. In Germany the sport is becoming really popular, with huge attendance and TV audience in Berlin already for example. If the whole country gets it, then watch out.

    With the UK market on board it will also change how people their view Euroleague. In those countries like Italy, France, Turkey, Russia that didn’t get Euroleague games the basketball fans had this same NBA only fan perception. I know. Now it is the opposite. They think it is equal or better because now they actually see the games.

    In Germany and the UK they just get Eurocup so they wrongly associate that as the level of basketball. There are also all the Americans in those countries that wrongly and ignorantly do the same. “I saw a Euroleague game and it sucked”. Is typical, without even knowing it was a Eurocup game.

    As soon as they start getting games Euroleague Top 16 and up games, the Euroleague is going to explode in those markets. Because basketball in Germany is rising already and the UK is going to get into it after the Olympics.

    The 2013 and 2014 Final Fours being in London is going to rock Euroleague big time into that market.

    Then there is the Euroleague in the Mideast market. It is doing really well there. With huge success in Israel already and now just in recent years in many other places. After they secured the TV deal with Al Jazeera. Since then it is hitting big time in places like Iran, Jordan, Lebanon. They are also working on trying to get a way for clubs from Mideast to have a way into Euroleague. Not to mention that the Arab sheiks are now also looking to buy into European basketball clubs now, instead of just the football clubs. OIL MONEY.

    Euroleague got the TV deal in China a couple years back and started off just in high end channels. Now it is going to the basic TV market with Top 16 games and beyond and yes, it is rapidly becoming extremely popular there. One of the Top16 game of the weeks got higher ratings than the CBA and NBA games of the same week this season in China.

    Once the Euroleague gets the TV deals in Germany and UK done, they are next moving to go into the Latin American market. Then they have Canada and USA on the agenda. Euroleague is going to be bigger than the NBA is in 5 years time.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      “Euroleague is going to be bigger than the NBA is in 5 years time.” lol Keep dreaming. You guys really ARE delusional.

      USA on the agenda for Euroleague? Now I know you are either joking are insane. The day a Euroleague game is televised in the United States I’ll buy a Spanoulis jersey.

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  20. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Gabe, this guy has posted tens of thousands of posts repeating the same nonsense on Interbasket, ISH, and probably forums on other sites over the course of at least the past four years. He’s on a totally different level from us. He’s like a full-time professional troll, and has had loads of accounts banned on each of those sites. Nobody takes him seriously on those sites anymore, of course, and I suggest we finally do the same here.

    I personally am just going to ignore him unless he says something intelligent, because I think without him, the community here could actually be quite nice and I could learn quite a bit 🙂

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      You’re refering to Celaya? She doesn’t post that much here. Plus I think it’s cool considering most people who post here are men.

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  21. Aleksandar Zoran
    13 years ago

    lol I just realized who this dude apollo is in interbasket hahahahaha

    the guys been banned twice there

    what a piece of work

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  22. mike
    13 years ago

    As usual, Gabe and Phileus, you’re on the mark. Yao Ming was only being diplomatic, of course. He’s just too nice a guy to trash the Euroleague and say it’s inferior to the NBA. I saw the CSKA-Pan game live, and what I saw was a lot of intensity, great team play, good team defense, but woefully lacking in top notch talent. Sorry.
    I saw Kristic miss a one footer right near the rim. No wonder he is no longer considered a viable center for a top tier team in the NBA . Kirelenko is a good all around player even in the NBA, but Jasikevicious running the show for a top team is a joke! I mean this guy was benched in Golden State by Don Nelson. And this was years ago when Saras played closer to his peak level. He must be even slower now. If you can’t get minutes for Don Nelson, you can’t play in the NBA. He’s just too slow for the NBA. Kryapa? C’mon.! And who the hell is Mike Batiste? I didn’t waste time googling him.
    The stars are in the NBA,guys. If you can’t see that, you don’t know basketball!

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      You never heard of Batiste? The 6’8.5 undrafted player out of Arizona State who averaged 6.4 ppg in one season with the Grizzlies in the NBA before being cut by the Grizz and the Clippers and then went to Greek to become the Greek League MVP, All-Euroleague 1st team and 2nd team member, triple crown winner and considered on of the best centers in Euroleague?

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  23. Coach
    13 years ago

    I watched both games of the Euroleague semis. Comparing to what I have seen so far in the NBA playoffs. The only two NBA teams that could hang with those 4 Euroleague clubs in a 7 game series are the Heat and Spurs.

    Every other NBA playoff team would lose a 7 game series against any of them.

    I just am ignoring the comments of other NBA fans here. Because they either didn’t watch the Euroleague semis, or if they did, then they have absolutely no basketball knowledge whatsoever.

    I have been coaching in NCAA for 12 years also. So I think I know what I am talking about.

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  24. mike
    13 years ago

    Hey Coach, go back to high school basketball. The Sixers would demolish any of these Euroleague “powerhouses”, forget about the Heat or Spurs. Be reasonable, your talent level in this league is a notch below NBA standards in athleticism , speed, scoring ability, individual defensive players, and even shooting skills.
    Some of the players on these teams were either NBA rejects, role players in the NBA, or just simply not good enough. Meanwhile in the NBA playoffs, the top international players still playing are leading stars on their respective international teams(powerhouses France, Argentina, Spain), and many of the remaining American stars played for team USA, and utterly DEMOLISHED the competition in 2008 and 2010 using purely FIBA rules. With 2 completely different teams even . Do you know any other country that can do that except the USA?

    Funny how you psycho Euro boosters just say stuff without any evidence like it’s your religion or something. And when you do site evidence, it’s usually flawed like that Yao Ming quote. Are your minds really slow or do you guys have a learning disability, or is it just pure intellectual dishonesty? Delusional faith in Euro basketball. Appreciate the game, but be realistic, and let the truth set you free. Maybe in 50 years European basketball will catch up with the NBA. LOL

    Maybe if you played the NBA D-league, you could make a go of it, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.

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  25. Coach
    13 years ago

    Mike, you don’t have the first clue about basketball. You absolutely do not know a thing about this. I am 100% positive you have not ever once watched any of those 4 Euroleague teams play.

    There is no way you could have based on your comments. You are wrong on everything.

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  26. Gabe
    13 years ago

    It’s official. Kirilenko is the Euroleague MVP and Best Defender. Now all he has to do is lead his team to victory tonight and he will get the “triple crown” of MVP, Best Defender and Final four MVP. Pretty impressive for a player who was never even an All-NBA third team selection and who’s one all-star selection was 8 years ago.

    What might be even more shocking is Krstic being voted all-Euroleague first team. I mean while Kirilenko was not a top player or a star in the NBA at least he was a solid role player. Krstic’s last year in the NBA he couldn’t get off the bench in Boston when they reached the meaningful games in the playoffs and yet he was voted on of the top 5 players in Euroleague and the top center! Wow!

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    • Phileus
      13 years ago

      To be fair, Jazz fans all remember Kirilenko pretty fondly, and would have said he was their top player in the post-Malone/Stockton era and before D-Will took over the team. But yeah, there’s no question that he was a solid role player in the last few years. Hopefully his success abroad can rejuvenate his declining NBA career.

      Even if not though, he’s a unique player whom I’ve always liked, so congrats to him on his big success (though of course, we all know these are no more than team awards… :P).

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      • Gabe
        13 years ago

        Don’t forget about Boozer.

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  27. Apollo
    13 years ago

    The “best player in Europe” just got totally DOMINATED by 21 year old Greek player Kostas Papanikoloao. Gabe said of him in the past, “he isn’t good enough to play in the NBA, otherwise he would have already been drafted.”

    Well, the “best player in Europe” just got completely destroyed by a 21 year old “Greek scrub” as Gabe calls him.

    Spanoulis was ROBBED of his Euroleague MVP, which he deserved TEN TIMES MORE than Kirilenko did.

    It’s OK, justice prevailed in the end. As Spanoulis won the title and the Final Four MVP (the MOST prestigious award in all of European basketball).

    Kirilenko and Krstic – those “dominant Euroleague players that were average in the NBA”………….they now have the GREAT HONOR of going down in history as the biggest chokers of all time in European basketball history, and maybe and probably in all time of high level competition basketball history.

    Congrats Gabe and Phileus on your entire year of TROLLING and TAUNTING here.

    As BIE said, “they can complete the unique Triple Crown this year”. Yes, they can.

    Krstic and Kirilenko have FOREVER cemented their legacy and place in European basketball history:

    Russian Champions (maybe they can actually beat the Eurocup team Khimky)

    United Champions (I mean they just had to beat UNICS)

    and………….wait for it, wait for it, drum roll………………..

    GREATEST CHOKERS IN THE HISTORY OF EUROPEAN BASKETBALL

    I assure you trolls (Phileus, gabe, Mike) that Krstic and Kirilenko will NEVER be forgotten. Their place in European basketball history is forever safe.

    NO ONE will ever forget the greatest epic choke job in maybe high level team sports world history in championship game.

    AND YES, almost everyone at the final four is saying it. “The biggest choke job in sports history”..

    LMFAO

    Gabe: “Krstic and Kirilenko dominated Euroleague”………..

    Gabe: “Spanoulis and Papanikoloau are not good enough to play in the NBA”….

    Gabe: “Kirilenko is the best player in Europe”.

    LMFAO

    You three should all accept a one year self-imposed ban from posting here. You have no shame at all if you show yourselves again at this site for anything less than a year.

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  28. Apollo
    13 years ago

    Oh and Gabe. Batiste is 6-8.5 BAREFOOT and 255 pounds.

    And he was a rotation player in the NBA.

    So once again you can go to hell.

    You should never show yourself in this forum for at least a year after what happened with Kirilenko and Krstic in the final, and after a whole season of your absurd taunting and trolling here about them.

    Karma……..

    The refs had to help them to beat Panathinaikos in the semis, so the Greek Gods of Basketball prevailed in the end.

    OMG.biggest chokers OF ALL TIME

    LMFAO at “best players in Europe”

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      So Kirienko is the league defensive player of the year, MVP and was one point away from the triple crown and winning the final four MVP but will be remembered as the biggest choker in Europe? No he will be remembered as the league MVP. Man you are desperate Apollo.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      And by rotation player you mean 6.4 points per game and 3.4 rebounds per game?

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