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Jose Calderon responds to Spanish controversy

August 13, 2008

If you read BallinEurope on a daily basis, you probably read this article about the Spanish national team. For some reason, people are more interested in discussing topics like this, than talking about basketball (Is the US team THAT dominant that we have to talk about things like that?).

My friend Jaime from one of the biggest Spanish basketball sites, solobasket.com, just sent me an email, letting me know that Jose Calderon himself responded to the article published in The Guardian.

I would like to share a story with you about something that happened with the Spanish National Team that someone interpreted incorrectly. It happened in the photo session where the Spanish National Team was introduced; one of our sponsors asked us to pose with a “wink” to our participation in Beijing, we made an oriental expression with our eyes. We thought it was something appropriate and that it would always be interpreted as somewhat loving. Never the less some of the European media did not see it this way.

I was sure from the beginning, that nobody on the Spanish national team or the Spanish basketball federation had another intention, but with today’s media, you just have to know what something like this can start, especially to a team that seems to be one of the only teams to give Team USA a little bit of a competition.

After reading all the comments made, one of our readers (Maku) and also Alvaro posted a link to this picture, where you can see the Lithuanian national team dressed up like Spanish bull fighters. Once again, you should be judging this one.

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Comments: 17
  1. Álvaro
    17 years ago

    You can see all funny lithuanian photos here:
    http://www.basketnews.lt/index.php/photos.view;id.794

    Let’s talk about basketball and let’s get fun, come on!

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  2. Bill
    17 years ago

    If the Spanish National Team’s intention was innocuous, I don’t consider this a big issue. However, let it be known that this gesture does not conjour up the feeling of love like Calderon says. It’s definitely not a display of respect.

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  3. Joseph
    17 years ago

    Bill, the problem here is that gestures mean different things depending on which country you are. I believe that showing two certain fingers is a provocative sign in anglo-saxon countries, and that doesn’t apply in countries like China or Spain to mention two examples. Who are you to say what a certain sign is meant to display for everyone then?

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  4. Nik
    17 years ago

    The problem here is that a bunch of white men sat down and decided that this was racist, for whatever reason. The bullfighter episode goes unnoticed because noone can make a story/buck out of insulting another ethnicity if there is no strife between them.

    With the Spanish creating such an image of “asians” is an entirely different story. Why? Because firstly the Brits/Americans have history on the Spanish. In other words they can always write an article and use the Eto or Henry stories to create a biased such that makes it seem like Spain is racist. In turn using that background they can then say that this is another example. Our nature is then to interpret this as racist upon reading it, why? Because they groomed us to be that way. If they make you feel strongly about it in either way they’ve done their job, got you interested finally and then can get their sales up in turn.

    Whether or not this is racist I don’t know. But what I certainly know is that a bunch of white europeans have no basis to be arguing on either side. I say unless the Chinese stand firmly against with real reasons, and not just so as to garner media attention, then the whole issue is pointless. The only thing we are doing is senselessly lapping up what an editor has thrown out for us due to our extreme need to fulfill some pathetic political correctness clause which has become pathetic in its own right in that a member of a minority population can do almost as they please towards the majority,but can’t say anything towards a minority themselves.

    I’m not advocating we start squinting but what I am saying is that if your child came up to you tonight, did that gesture with his or her hands and said something that that media would consider appalling racist, I highly doubt you could hold yourself back from laughing and finding it all just too cute.

    But now because these are older men we can’t giggle in that same way anymore as we are much more concerned with displaying a public PC and accepting profile until we get behind closed doors that is and make fun of our local chinese food vendor.

    This ad wasn’t in any particular way malice or cruel, that is beyond obvious, it is us who have allowed it to be viewed that way instead of making it out into a silly, possible not so funny, joke.

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  5. Marcos Castrillon
    17 years ago

    The whole issue comes off the Luis Aragonés vs Henry affair. Which was another insensitive episode of the guy just being him (or being Spanish, if you prefer) and The Guardian badly translating it and turning it into a racist episode.

    Which made it even more ridiculous was that they later used some allegedly racist Eto’s footage, while the same guy was in Spain laughing off any idea of the Old Man being a racist.

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  6. HOOPER
    17 years ago

    ERES UN JILIPOYA MAL NACIDO Y EDUCADO, RESPETA AL PROJIMO HIJO DE TU MADRE !!!!!!!!

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  7. migala
    17 years ago

    Please someone should moderate this “forum”… This is going too far…

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  8. Givous
    17 years ago

    You can’t be serious, guys! In Spain that gesture is just for fun, they are only to blame for having been poorly informed if that advertisign campaign were intended to be released in China. I had no idea that gesture could be offensive, and I bet they dindn’t know, otherwise they just wouldn’t have done it. Can you imagine it if they were showing a stretched middle finger????

    And in the end, how on earth can you just think of applying your US-point-of-view to everyone else over the world??? This is an advertising picture shot by request of a Spanish Sponsor… Oh God! You are not alone in this world, in fact you are only three hundred million people out of six trousand million! Oh, and most Spanish ARE NOT racists and feel shame at bullfighting, we have far better ways to have fun.

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  9. Teo
    17 years ago

    plus bullfighting is not even a racial “slur” so to speak, it isjust a nod to a rather peculiar culturally unique part of spain, that the lithuanians picked up to be an anecdote for teir fighting spirit. big deal…

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  10. Scott
    17 years ago

    First of all this is not an U.S. only view.
    This story broke in a UK paper and has been picked up in most of the anglo world that I know of – Canada, U.S., UK, Australia, NZ etc.

    Maybe it is a story in other parts of the world – I just don’t know.

    It is mostly the media looking for drama and a story to write about – this is how western media operates..

    Some are upset that the Spanish say this is not big deal and meaningless.
    Especially those who think this is a double standard – trust me, if any U.S. athlete did this there would be hell to pay. They would likely have been severely disciplined, by the USOC and probably kicked out of the Olympics.
    For the Spanish to brush this off as meaningless, really bothers some people.
    I think it is ridiculous too – I hate political correctness. but unfortunatly this is how the world works.

    Trust me that this is a major racial slur towards Asians. Maybe not in Spain – I can’t answer that, but it sound form you that this is true.

    This is a story that is gaining huge momentum in the U.S. with all the major sports radio, t.v., internet and print media talking about it. There is talk of Gasol and Calderon being disciplined by the NBA (I think this is silly, but they are still talking about it). But it is true Gasol and Calderon have been playing long enough in america that they should have known better.

    Europeans like to rip on the U.S. as being arrogant, ignorant and insensitive towards other people and cultures – it seems like tables have turned. You saying this is no big deal, kind of proves this point.

    By the way, I am sure my view is biased. I am a New Zealander, that lived many years in Canada and Australia a year in Hong Kong and past 5 years in the U.S.

    Hopefully I can give you the view from the ground here in the U.S.

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  11. Yaz
    17 years ago

    If they had to “wink” at the U.k. it would have been cups of tea and stuck out pinkies. If it were a “wink” to the Italians, it would have been mock opera singing, If it were a “‘wink” to Canada (which there may be one of in less than 2 years) it would have been maple leaves or some reference to snow. The point is, most people associate something with various cultures/countries and slanted eyes (or maybe chopsticks) are at the top of the list for Asian cultures. I doubt that they thought they were being racist. I think they thought they were being cute/humourous.

    Anyways, given the medal standings, who wouldn’t want to be associated with the Chinese team?

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  12. migala
    17 years ago

    This is the last thing I write about this issue (let´s talk basketball).

    I think the Spanish team’s intentions were as inocuous as, for example, having your hair dyed blonde had the Olympics been organized by Sweden. It was just that. A gesture towards the host team.

    Noone thinks having slant-eyes is bad or degrading. The very same team wore samuari bandanas in Japan and it seemed cool to everyone.

    The New York times correspondent in Beijin had a hard time to find one single Chinese person offended at the Olympics by the infamous picture.

    The Chinese Embassy in Spain claim not to be offended at all because it means nothing for them.

    The Chinese sponsors also find it funny. They know the team is not racist.

    There was no intention to hurt anyone’s feelings. And if anyone feelings’ have been hurt, for that I apologize.

    Now, about USA-Greece game…

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  13. Teo
    17 years ago

    well that game went quite like it was anticipated, only our guards kind of disappeared too much. I think it’s a learning experience to play against such an intense team, they convert EVERY slight mistake into immeadiate points, much more so than spain. So this has been a great opportunity to understand how concentrated you have to be. I think greece will be better for it, and at times we could match them quite well, especially considering that we didn’t hit threes.
    JKidd is a weak spot, I loved when he was on the floor and our guards did whatever they wanted, but Deron and Wade were a pain and Kobe is plain dangerous.
    All in all, good luck to spain , but I doubt they will be beaten in the pool play.
    the only way to beat the us team is to pay attention to what works and try to use this “free” game against them by learning exactly what you can do to hurt them. If any team is able to execute exactly that in a knockout match, they might lose. They didn’t always look good, they just feast on mistakes and lack of concentration more than any team imaginable, so everyone has to step up big time. I think greece could match them on a day where EVERY player plays like papaloukas or spanoulis yesterday (baring some of their mistakes as well), and then with some luck and lots of threepoints that disrupt their D, you might just beat them. Spain might fare better, with their fantastic shooting, but I hope they can match the american physicality and intensity, as up to this point it’s mostly been rudy who has stepped up big, and you need each player to be in killing mode for that game. I’d prefer to spare this energy for the semis, maybe there the US can be upset, pool play is just too unimportant to throw everything at them.

    what worked, though, was containing howard. So he isn’t that much of an issue. But then there was this bosh guy who more than made up…tough one, that.
    anyways, my 2 cents to that game, migala, what else is there to say about this juggernaut of a team…

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  14. migala72
    17 years ago

    Thanks for the report , Teo. I agree with you, it´s better to spare energies for the semis (and do not forget the quarterfinals), but I just hope it´s not a total blow out and US beats Spain by 30 or 40 points. Against them you have to have a high % on free throws, attack the basket a lot (trying to get a lot of calls) and never loose concentration.

    Everytime you steal the ball, the US player is ready to steal it from you again.

    Bosh stepped up against Greece, I don´t know if the Greek coach or technical team have watched a lot of Toronto Raptors’ last two season, but he can be a beast and more skilled than Howard in some aspects of the game.

    The US team is totally different from what we saw in 2006. Specially, you have Kobe Bryant, who can be an amazing motivator and is defending amazingly well.

    That said, now Greece will be 3rd, right? Which team would suit better for them at the quarterfinals? Which country you want to avoid? Argentina? Lithuania?

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  15. Teo
    17 years ago

    I don’t want to avoid any team anymore, we have to beat the strong teams now, germany angola and china won’t cut it for this team’s ambitions.
    Sooner or later. I don’t care. Obviously argentina presents the toughest test, but I think that greece should be able to play against all those teams, especially now that we lost to the 2 best teams in the tourney, we need to beat good teams to regain some confidence, especially if we’re serious about going for a medal.

    That said, I am sure there is a lot of upside to this greek team, and they can only present themselves better from now on, so I still have hope that the numerous players who haven’t played well this far will take it up a notch. If that is against Saras and his motley crew or the great Manu, I don’t care, they are surely not better than us on paper and hopefully we want it more. Hitting more than 2 threepointers a game might help. And if we lose now because we face a good team then we deserve to lose and be kept out of the medal round, you can’t medal if you don’t beat the best teams, I don’t want to sneak past croatia.

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  16. Álvaro
    17 years ago

    So, the point here is.

    Spanish advertisers launch a campaign to go to China, “a wink” called by Calderon. Anglosaxon countries get mad and call us racists… but Chine doesn’t say a word, and don’t seem to be offended with that picture.

    Spain makes the “wink” picture about China, China is not mad at Spain, but Anglosaxon get mad to Spain and call us racists…

    Can anybody explain me what’s the matter here?

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  17. migala72
    17 years ago

    Interesting point of view… from taiwan…
    http://farfromfrostburg.blogspot.com/2008/08/olympics-dont-rush-to-cry-racism-over.html

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