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The votes are in: Minnesota Timberwolves named BallinEurope home team (also torched on court by runner-up Raptors)

November 5, 2012

Before US-based news about that other election going down tomorrow swamps the entire blogosphere, BiE wants to get in news of our own polling results. With voting closed on Sunday, it has been decided by readers that the Minnesota Timberwolves of Andrei Kirilenko, Alexey Shved, Nikola Pekovic and hopefully-someday-soon Ricky Rubio will serve as the official NBA home team of BallinEurope for the 2012-13 season.

The T-wolves pulled out to an early lead in the polling and the Toronto Raptors threatened a couple of times over the course of four days, but could never close the gap, ultimately losing 34%-26%. The Denver Nuggets and Portland Trail Blazers garnered an identical 56 votes apiece to finish at 18%. BallinEurope thanks the 300-plus who took the time to cast their ballot in this crucial election.

Ironically, BiE notes that yesterday the Raps torched the Eurowolves in Canada, 105-86. Despite 17 points from Kirilenko and 15 from Pekovic, the short-handed Minnesota tormented itself with turnovers aplenty (including six combined from Peks and Shved) and got further bad news when Jose Barea left the game with a concussion.

Is it too early to worry about a curse?

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Comments: 86
  1. Euroleague > NBA
    12 years ago

    Kirilenko with 17 points 6 rebounds 3 assists 1 steal 3 blocks against the Raptors……

    WOW look at Kirilenko DOMINATE those soft non athletic stiff AMERICAN NBA SCRUBS!

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yawn. Yes and his team got their asses kicked by the 0-2 Raptors. Wake me up when Kirilenko is even close to leading the led in rebounds or blocks or even being considered for DPOY or MVP (LMAO) or 1st team all-NBA or even 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA, hell even an all star birth or when the T-Wolves threaten to make the NBA finals, etc…etc…

      Meanwhile in Euroleague:
      Sonny Weems leading the league in points, MVP of the week and MVP of the month! in leading CSKA to a 4-0 record. Like like this year the Euroleague MVP will go from being an NBA role player to an NBA scrub.
      Jordan Farmer leading the league in index rating, 3rd in points, 4th in assists in leading his team to a 3-1 record. Wow. Even I didn’t realize Euroleague was so bush league that this could happen.
      Sheldon Williams 2nd in the league in rebounds. Really? At 6’9? But I guess when you play against centers like Ioannis “these Africans jump so high it’s not fair” Bourousis that’s not too hard.
      Rudy Fernandez 2nd in index rating, MVP of the week award in leading Real Madrid to a 3-1 record. I guess Rudy decided it’s better to be one of the best players in Europe than a bench player in the NBA.

      Even I who know how much lower a level Euroleague is am really shocked how these NBA scrubs and back-up can come over and dominate like that. It’s kind of sad. They should probably go to the developmental league to challenge themselves more but I guess it’s all about the money.

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  2. Euroleague > NBA
    12 years ago

    Sonny Weems and Rudy Fernandez both had horrible games over the weekend. This Gabe sure is a strange one. How he can brag about these guys after they just played awful games.

    I guess this guy lives in an alternate universe.

    PS – Kirilenko is much better than most NBA players, I have no ides why you think him doing good in Euroleague is some knock on Euroleague, then the guy has beasted for years in the NBA. Apparently you saw maybe 1 or 2 Jazz games in your whole life.

    Kirilenko has many months even whole years where he put much better numbers in the NBA than he did in Euroleague. I think you need some new trolling material, because your current stuff is almost as lame as when you claimed Rubio dominated Euroleague when averaging 7 points and 4 assists per game, while shooting 31% from the field.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I’m beginning to think you are sort of tongue and cheek and not being serious but just messing around. Seriously comparing Kirilenko’s time in Euroleague to the NBA? In his one year in Euroleague he was the MVP, DPOY, led the league in rebounds and blocks and took his team to the final while in the NBA he made an all-star game once, 8 years ago. MVP. Yes MVP. Kirilenko was selected as the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in Euroleague while I will bet my life that he will not be selected to the all-NBA 3rd team this year and has never been selected to any all-NBA team his 10 years in the NBA.

      And again the facts I posted about Weems and Fernandez are true. Weems is leading the league in scoring, was selected MVP of the month and his team is 4-0, while Fernandez is 2nd in index rating and has led his team to a 3-1 record.

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  3. Phileus
    12 years ago

    “WOW look at Kirilenko DOMINATE those soft non athletic stiff AMERICAN NBA SCRUBS!”

    Brilliant trolling, considering the Raptors starting frontcourt is the All-American combo of Andrea Bargnani and Jonas Valanciunas. Short, sweet, oblivious, and shameless – perfect troll form. I’m proud :’)

    Troll score: 10.0/10.0

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  4. Phileus
    12 years ago

    On a more serious note, this Wolves team is a lot of fun to watch! I’m looking forward to BiE’s coverage of the team from now on.

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  5. mike
    12 years ago

    The Wolves have lost Kevin Love, Rubio, and in the 2nd quarter of the Raptors game, JJ Barea. They have no else to got to but Kirilenko. This explains his higher than usual numbers. But hey, Kirilenko is a good NBA player, but winning MVP in the NBA, like he did in the Euroleague, is close to an impossiblity.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Close to an impossibility? There is more of a chance of Gary Johnson winning the presidential election tomorrow than of Kirilenko ever even being selected to an All-NBA 1st team.

      btw How did you enjoy the Knick’s two game spanking of your Sixers?

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      • Os Davis
        12 years ago

        @Gabe: Hey, don’t knock Gary Johnson. Have you seen the man’s crossover and wingspan? The only problem is that he’s constantly going right…

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  6. mike
    12 years ago

    Phileus, it seems you haven’t seen too much of the Wolves last year with Rubio. He really was a game changer for them. If you think the Wolves are fun to watch now, wait till Rubio gets back with Kevin Love. Watching just highlights of Rubio betrays his true worth. Much more than razzle dazle and “Rubivision” is an all around game where he anchored the Wolves defense on the perimeter, rebounded, scored opportunistically, and of course, created for his teammates.

    Get on the bandwagon!

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  7. Gabe
    12 years ago

    I mean right now Kirilenko is playing like an all-star but it’s too early into the season. I mean hell so far Anderson Varejao is playing like All-NBA 1st teamer but we know that’s not going to last either.

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  8. mike
    12 years ago

    Gabe, the Sixers are a team built around the best center in the NBA, when he’s playing. And right now, he’s not playing. So how can we compete night in and night out, especially since many of the players aren’t used to each other?

    I’m sure the NY media is hyping up the Knicks again. ESPN already has an article calling the Knicks for real after 3 games. Give me a break! When the Kicks fall apart later in the year, the usual finger pointing in the media will be fun to watch. Go Sixers!

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  9. mike
    12 years ago

    Oh yeah, the 2 Knicks-Sixers games were rigged by the refs. End of discussion!

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  10. NBA Is Worse Than Euroleague
    12 years ago

    Ancient 35 year old Pablo Prigioni about 5 years past his prime already in the Knicks rotation, “one of the best teams in the NBA”………….

    LMFAO what a joke the NBA is. The NBA, where washed up Euroleague has beens go to become relevant again.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Prigioni 2X all-Euroleague 2nd team. (2006, 2007) Last year averaged 7.3 ppg 3.2 rpg, 4.6 apg and 2.2 spg in Euroleague (and as you know those stats mean a lot more in Euroleague where the leading assist man only averaged 5.7) and in the NBA he is a solid back-up pg so far averaging 4.3 ppg, .7 rpg, 4.3 apg & 1.3 spg (and again we all know that NBA statistics are inflated compared to Euroleague stats).

      LMFAO what a joke Euroleague is. Euroleague, where NBA scrubs (Weems, Farmer, Fernandez, Williams) go to become superstars.

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  11. NBA Is Worse Than Euroleague
    12 years ago

    Kirilenko continues to dominate American NBA scrubs and continues to play better in NBA than he did in Euroleague.

    Meanwhile, Diogu failed his Olympiacos tryout and Dagunduro continues to be one of the biggest scrubs in Italian League.

    Gabe suicide watch in 3…2…1…

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      “Kirilenko continues to dominate American NBA scrubs and continues to play better in NBA than he did in Euroleague.”

      You mean continues to play better in Euroleague where he was the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER and DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR??

      See this post shows how delusional you really are. You shoot yourself in the foot with your own absurdly insane posts. You think for one second that any body in the universe is even considering that Kirilenko might be NBA MVP??!!!

      You think you can get away by comparing stats when everybody knows it is a lot easier to put up stats in the NBA than in Euroleague. So you have to compare how they do compared to the rest of the league than just looking at numbers.

      In the NBA so far he is 68th in scoring, in Euroleague he was 8th. lol
      In the NBA so far he is 39th in rebounding, in Euroleague he was 1st!!!!. LMFAO
      In the NBA he is 5th in blocks, in Euroleague he was 1st!!!
      In Euroleague he was 5th in steals, in the NBA so far (well I couldn’t find him but with .7 spg he is not even in the top 100. ROTFL

      Yet he is playing better in the NBA than his MVP and DPOY reason in Euroleague. Stay delusional.

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  12. mike
    12 years ago

    Hey Euro Trash, may I remind you that Prigioni is the starting PG of one of the best national teams in the world, Argentina. Also, a quick look at Wikipedia will show that Prigioni “was voted the best PG in the Spanish ACB League in 2006,2007, and 2009” when he averaged 6.4 ppg and 4.3 apg. Last season for Caja, Pablo averaged 7.3ppg and 4.6apg.

    He is by no means washed up. Not to defend the Knicks, but I still predict the Knicks will finish behind the Sixers this year when it’s all said and done.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Let’s just compare Prigioni’s assists because he really is a pass first pg.

      Last year in Euroleague he was 6th in assists with 4.6 apg while so far in the NBA he is 43rd in the league in assists with 4.3 apg.

      43rd compared to 6th yet this delusional Eurotrash thinks he’s doing better.

      This psycho’s post have gotten so delusional and absurd it’s getting to the point where he should just be ignored, like how they deal with him on insidehoops.com

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  13. mike
    12 years ago

    Alexei Schved 10 points, 3 assists for Minny as he keyed a 2nd half comeback down by 22 points vs the Nets. This Minny team is underrated right now. When they get back their big guns, their lineup will be Pekovich at center, Kevin Love at PF, Kiri or Derrick Williams at SF, Ridnour or Roy at SG, and Rubio at the point. Off the bench, JJ Barea, Stiemsa, Budinger, and Schved, Dante Cunningham.

    To me, they look like a Playoff contender..

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  14. FCarv
    12 years ago

    Mike, I share the same opinion – mostly because I think Rubio makes everybody in the team better with his court vision and ability to pass (even those hard but many times necessary “bounce” passes).

    And when you put together Love in the mix they sure can have some optimistic thoughts. – if they don’t face injuries again.

    I think it was good to them to deal Beasley off of the T’Wolves. He is just a brat (with skills – no question about that).

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  15. Rambaldi
    12 years ago

    Prigioni could not even get a contract from good Euroleague teams anymore. That’s why he went to the NBA, the much weaker NBA, where has beens from Europe can become relevant again.

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  16. Rambaldi
    12 years ago

    Hey Euro Trash, may I remind you that Prigioni is the starting PG of one of the best national teams in the world, Argentina. Also, a quick look at Wikipedia will show that Prigioni “was voted the best PG in the Spanish ACB League in 2006,2007, and 2009″ when he averaged 6.4 ppg and 4.3 apg. Last season for Caja, Pablo averaged 7.3ppg and 4.6apg.

    So a guy 4 years past his prime is already putting the same or better numbers in NBA, a guy that is washed up by Euroleague standards and somehow you concluded that this refuted the argument being made?

    You are clearly not playing with a full deck. Prigioni is considered a washed up has been in Europe, but in the NBA he apparently a key rotation player on a “contender”.

    It’s almost as funny as Euroleague like Dragic, Jennings, Rubio, and Lawson tearing up the NBA. In all honestly, the NBA has become a complete joke. Freaking Valanciunas is starting at center for the Raptors…..this guy could not even get consistent playing time in Euroleague or on his national team.

    But instantly starts in the NBA, where unlike in Euroleague, starting is only reserved for the best players on the team.

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  17. Rambaldi
    12 years ago

    Prigioni 2X all-Euroleague 2nd team. (2006, 2007) Last year averaged 7.3 ppg 3.2 rpg, 4.6 apg and 2.2 spg in Euroleague (and as you know those stats mean a lot more in Euroleague where the leading assist man only averaged 5.7) and in the NBA he is a solid back-up pg so far averaging 4.3 ppg, .7 rpg, 4.3 apg & 1.3 spg (and again we all know that NBA statistics are inflated compared to Euroleague stats).

    LMFAO what a joke Euroleague is. Euroleague, where NBA scrubs (Weems, Farmer, Fernandez, Williams) go to become superstars.
    —————

    This RACIST RETARD just confirmed that Prigioni is 5 years past his prime……my god this guy is stupid.

    NBA is a JOKE where Euroleague scrubs like Dragic, Rubio, Lawson, and Jennings become stars. Gabe is so extremely RACIST that he can’t even see how ironic his BULLSHIT IS.

    Just this time last season he was claiming Prigioni was a scrub that could never play in NBA. “If he was any good he would have already been playing in the NBA. He’s just a slow non athletic scrub that can only play in a minor second rate league. Only in Euroleague could a mid 30s scrub with no athletic ability play”.

    Now this SAME POS has this guy, older, playing on the rotation of his NBA team that he is a fan of………….my god what a sick sick sick disgrace this Gabe is.

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  18. Rambaldi
    12 years ago

    Somene asked Papaloukas what team he will sign for and he said,

    “Probably an NBA team, since that’s where all the washed up Euroleague has beens go to become relevant again these days.”

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  19. FCarv
    12 years ago

    Please don’t take it that personally as we all know that our origins will most likely prevail in our opinions – that’s common.

    Euroloeague is no joke but saying NBA is a joke just seems “stupid”. They are simply different.
    If you gather the best players in Euroleague vs the best in NBA in a match who do you think it would win?

    Players have ups and downs and sometimes they just develop later.

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  20. Rambaldi
    12 years ago

    Prigioni is a has been in Euroleague. That makes him good enough to be in the rotation in a so-called NBA contender.

    Now Gabe is trying to talk up what he did 5 years ago in Eurolague. It’s funny because the same guy was calling Prigioni a “Euro scrub that could not play in the NBA” just this last summer when talking about Argentina’s national team.

    This forum is full of EXTREME RACISTS and BIGOTS.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Prigioni was a starter in Euroleague and could have been a starter again but choose to go to the better league. As I have shown, Prigioni’s stats were actually better in Euroleague then his stats this year and as we all know NBA stats are padded compared to Euroleague so he did much better as a starter in Euroleague then as a back-up in the NBA.

      And it’s funny how you call Rubio a scrub when he was votes Euroleague Rising Star and was the starting pg of a Euroleague champion. Jennings a scrub when he played what would of been his freshman year in college in Euroleague. And Ty Lawson? He played 7 frieaking games in Euroleague!!!

      But the biggest thing is that the Euroleague MVP and DPOY coming over to the NBA and being a role player. Could you imagine Lebron James going over to Euroleague and not even making all-Euroleague 2nd team. Well that;s what’s going to happen when the Euroleague MVP and DPOY is over here in the NBA and does not even have a shot of making all NBA 3rd team.

      And you mention players like Prigioni, Rubio, Dragic, Rubio, Lawson, and Jennings who are solid role players in the NBA but are far from stars and are not close to leading any statistics in the NBA.

      While NBA scrubs like Farmar, Weems, and Fernandez are leading Euroleague in points, index rating and winning player of the week awards and player of the month awards. I mean that anyone could watch a league where Sonny Weems is player of the month is beyond me. Sonny Weems! He would not even be able to be player of the month in the D-League. Sonny Weems! ROTFL

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  21. Russ
    12 years ago

    Just a couple corrections. Yes, Rubio was a scrub in Euroleague and Kirilenko was MVP, but that’s just because it is completely different and some players are more suited for NBA while some are for Euroleague. Jennings, Lawson (for sure not a role player in Denver) and some likes just couldn’t make it in the Euroleague because of a different style of playing, zone defence etc.
    As for Sonny Weems, he was a backup in Toronto couple years ago, but he developed a lot and for sure would’ve been a starter today. For e.g. Weems is way better that today’s Toronto’s starter DeRozan.
    Regarding all those all-stars, 1st, 2nd and 3rd all-NBA teams, also DPOY’s and even MVP’s – it’s a voting, and people vote for the most popular players, for those who they like and not neceserelly the best. That is why Kirilenko never was and will never be among MVP candidates, that is also why Nowitzki was never elected as an all-star starter and that is why Kobe will be starting all-star eventhough there are 3 or 4 better SG’s in the west.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I’m not sure how the voting works in Euroleague (I think it’s a mix between votes of media and fans) but for the NBA, every award and honor, except all-star starters, are voted by the media and official nba people, not fans. I mean obviously every award, from the Oscars to Noble Prizes are done by the voting, The only other way any award can be given that does not include voting is one single person selecting the winner!!

      Kirilenko was and never will be amoung MVP candidates in the NBA because he has never been considered one of the top NBA players by anyone.

      And I don’t know how you can say Weems is better than DeRozan? What can you base that off of? He sure about played Rudy Fernandez and Madrid when they met and Rudy is tearing up Euroleague now.

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  22. mike
    12 years ago

    You Euro Flat Earthers are like the moon landing conspiracy people. You know, those who believe NASA never landed men on the moon and believe it was all staged on a film set right here on Earth. They can’t be reasoned with either. .

    How a “Euroleague Rising Star” can be a scrub is beyond me. Yes, Rubio struggled in his last couple of years in Europe, but no one doubted that he was one of Europe’s top talents. A talent with one of the highest potential. Sergio LLul may be a good guard, probably better than Rubio in Europe at that time, but NBA scouts look at the potential and top side of a player, and Rubio had among the highest top end of skills in Europe at that time.

    I mean, look at the way this site worships him even before he joined the NBA. Bottom line, he still is the starting PG of the 2nd best national team in the world, Spain. If the Spanish coaches think he is one of the best in their country, that’s good enough for me.
    Same for Valencunas. He is one of Lithuania’s best, since he is on the their national team.

    To conclude, type on Google: ” Kobe has dinner with Spanoulis”, and Spanoulis says: “Who doesn’t want to play in the NBA? The best players play there…” He said it , not us.

    Face it ,Spanoulis is like the rest of the world, and you are the weird Euro trash guys living in your mom’s basement.

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  23. mike
    12 years ago

    Russ, Nowitski was NBA MVP a couple years ago. He will be a Hall of Famer. He is recognized by Americans as one of the great forwards in NBA history. What on earth are you talking about?

    BTW, that comment by Papaloukas has to be another lie. It won’t be the first given by these weird Euro guys. Spanoulis’ dream was to play in the NBA. You all know this. He even sacrificed his salary in the beginning so Houston could sign him. So why would Papaloukas say a thing like that totally contradicting Spanoulis’ quote that “THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY IN THE NBA”.

    We all know what happened with him. V-Span stunk it up in Houston, and basically acted like a crybaby. After this, his career went downhill losing to Nigeria in the Olympic Qualifications. How Greece lost to Nigeria when they played some of the top players of Olympiacos, the Euroleague Champion, is revealing. Well, Nigeria went on to lose by 83 points to the US NBA players who took Gold AGAIN.

    How many more times will the US have to win until it gets drilled in your head that American NBA players are the best in the world?

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      He obviously made up that quote by Papaloukas. Of course he didn’t say that. It wasn’t even a lie it was just a joke. Not even the troll believed for one second that anyone would believe that.

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  24. Phileus
    12 years ago

    I can’t believe you guys still take the troll seriously 😛 I mean, if you enjoy replying to him, then by all means go ahead, but take a step back. He’s obviously just looking for ways to push y’all’s buttons, and every time you react, he smiles to himself in his dark basement, knowing he has succeeded.

    Is his opinion so important that you think you need to change it? Or is it so “well-reasoned” that you are actually afraid that newcomers to the site will believe him? Ahahahahah 😛 Just have fun, don’t get too worked up 😉

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  25. mike
    12 years ago

    Yeah, I think Phileus is right. Sometimes I feel like it’s my duty to correct these stupid trolls, but from now on, I will try to refrain from reasoning with these morons. Let’s try to have a little more fun with these guys or guy.

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  26. mike
    12 years ago

    Come to think of it, if I were the owner of the site, I would block the troll from commenting here. He is actually hindering legitimate debate, and there are so many things we can discuss without talking about the loony tunes Euroleague superiority thing and racist Gabe and Mike thing. I can argue he has already turned off a few reasonable Euros and a couple of Americans from coming back on this site. I remember Dallas has left, and there were a couple of Euros who we had good discussions with that were so exasperated they didn’t return.

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  27. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    I have not left!

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  28. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    I just took a a couple of weeks off of the internet for school lol…. I watched the Wolves Toronto game… When Love comes back they will be a lot better, he’s a top-5 talent imo.

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  29. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    oh wow I just read the conversation!!! lmao.

    tonight, Kirilenko played 31 minutes and scored 7 points…. he was outscored in 17 minutes by Chase Budinger… Derrick Williams will start over him when Love returns I think….. he will be great off the bench honestly, but he is by no means dominating the NBA.

    The EuroWolves, however, are pretty solid. I will be rooting for them all year except when they play the Mavs.

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  30. Russ
    12 years ago

    OK, Nowitzki is recognized by american experts, not by NBA fans, since he never was elected by them as an all-star starter.
    As for Rubio, when was the last time he started for team Spain? Just like mike said, media worshiped him even before he joined the NBA or played for Team Spain, but he completely sucked in Euroleague and on international court, except maybe a couple of games, and played what… 41 games in NBA making 35 % of his shots ??
    As for Valanciunas, for now his is just a talented prospect and I believe he has a potential of becoming a dominant center, but we just have to wait and see.
    And I still think you guys didn’t get my point. I’m not saying NBA is a joke, but Euroleague is not a joke either. Yes, the best players usually play in the NBA, but with some exceptions. This is just a different type of basketball. Some guys are best suited for NBA style and some are for Euroleague. In the past decade, player like Jasikevicius dominated Euroleague and FIBA events. In his prime, he outplayed NBA players like Kidd, Payton, Parker, Calderon and many others but he just couldn’t make it in the NBA whether because of the wrong teams, dumb coaches or other circumstances. Navarro didn’t receive enough recognition in NBA either. Macijauskas, probably the best pure shooter in the world at a time, was just benched for no reason by dumb-ass Scott in NO. And that is just a couple of examples. On the other hand you have NBA stars like Iverson, Williams, Lawson or Jennings fail in Europe.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Rubio last started for Spain in the 2010 World Championships. And again I don’t know how you can say he completely sucked in Euroleague when he won Euroleague Rising Star (which is equivalent to ROY in the NBA) and was the starter on a Euroleague champion.

      I also don’t know how you can say Jasikevicius outplayed some of those players. Maybe Parker and Calderon but Payton and Kidd are undefeated in FIBA competition so I don’t know how they could have been outplayed.

      Navarro only played one year in the NBA and was selected to the all-rookie 2nd team.

      And for the stars that failed in Europe who you listed. Iverson was already way past his prime and washed up. Williams? You have to give a first name when you give such a common name as Williams but you can’t be talking about Deron Williams who scored 50 points one game and then had his Jersey retired. Lawson played only like 10 games in Europe and Jennings was over in Europe as a 19 year old kid.

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  31. Miguel
    12 years ago

    Anyone that denies Rubio was a scrub in Euroleague cannot be taken seriously. Only the hugest of trolls would deny that. I automatically ignore anyone that claims Rubio was not a scrub in Euroleague.

    He was a huge scrub in Euroleague and people that deny that clearly have some kind of mental disorder.

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  32. Miguel
    12 years ago

    I mean, look at the way this site worships him even before he joined the NBA. Bottom line, he still is the starting PG of the 2nd best national team in the world, Spain. If the Spanish coaches think he is one of the best in their country, that’s good enough for me.

    >

    Calderon has always been Spain’s “starting point guard”. You can’t even get basic facts right. And the last time Rubio played with Spain he averaged 1 point and 1 assist per game. Oh, and Spain won the silver medal at the Olympics, coming closer to winning than they did in 2008, with Sergio Rodriguez in Rubio’s role.

    If you ever have an actual point, please feel free to make it. otherwise keep your stupid bullshit to yourself.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Again lies. Calderon was injured before the start of the 2010 World Championships, so for the 2010 World Championship Rubio was Spain’s starting point guard.

      He did not average 1 point and 1 assist last time he played for Spain. He averaged 1.5 points and 2 assists:
      http://www.eurobasket2011.com/en/cid_4,w7QjPeH-M,ty138LH2l3.teamID_362.compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2011.roundID_7526.playerID_53827.html
      He also averaged 1.4 steals.

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      • Rambaldi
        12 years ago

        It’s called EuroBasket 2011 you fucking dick.

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  33. Miguel
    12 years ago

    To conclude, type on Google: ” Kobe has dinner with Spanoulis”, and Spanoulis says: “Who doesn’t want to play in the NBA? The best players play there…” He said it , not us.

    Face it ,Spanoulis is like the rest of the world, and you are the weird Euro trash guys living in your mom’s basement.

    >

    Spanoulis also said that he was better than every single player on the Rockets, including Yao and McGrady, and that his coach refused to play him because he had an agenda against European players.

    But of course, you failed to mention that…………

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I see him saying the best players play in the NBA though I don’t see him saying he was the best player on the Rockets. Please give a link for that quote.

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  34. Miguel
    12 years ago

    tonight, Kirilenko played 31 minutes and scored 7 points…. he was outscored in 17 minutes by Chase Budinger… Derrick Williams will start over him when Love returns I think….. he will be great off the bench honestly, but he is by no means dominating the NBA.

    The EuroWolves, however, are pr

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    Kirilenko never dominated the Euroleague either, but yet we have morons claiming he did in this site for months now. So it’s only OK to make false claims if you are an American NBA only fan right? But if a European fan does, then it’s “trolling”.

    No….it’s also trolling every time some retarded NBA fan makes up the lie that Kirilenko dominated Euroleague. I don’t know which is more pathetic, the hypocritical double standards here, or the complete lack of the ability to detect sarcasm……….

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Kirilenko was the MVP and DPOY of Euroleague. Being MVP and DPOY of a league is dominating a league.

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      • Rambaldi
        12 years ago

        Diamantidis won Euroelague MVP, Euroleague Best Defender, Euroleague Final Four MVP and the Euroleague championship.

        To this day, NO ONE has ever claimed he “dominated” Euroleague, despite having a much better season than Kirilenko did

        You are a seriously insane person.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Just because one person had a better season before doesn’t mean the Kirilenko didn’t dominate last year when he had the best season. And are we arguing semantics? If Kirilenko didn’t dominate than nobody did. Would you prefer if I said he was the best player? The fine, last year Kirilenko was the best player in Euroleague (at least before the last two games of the Final Four)

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  35. Miguel
    12 years ago

    And again I don’t know how you can say he completely sucked in Euroleague when he won Euroleague Rising Star (which is equivalent to ROY in the NBA) and was the starter on a Euroleague champion.

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    Euroleague rising star is not and never has been even remotely comparable to NBA ROY award. You are a complete joke and a seriously stupid and ignorant jack ass.

    learn something you stupid POS

    Rising star is only for players under a certain age. It is NOT a rookie of the year award. Rubio and no other winner of rising star would have come within top 10 of a ROY award.

    How god damn fucking much bullshit can be allowed from this guy here? Rookie of Year award is for best player playing in the league for the first time. My fucking GOD…Rubio would never have gotten a single vote for such an award.

    It’s like this guy is totally insane with the things he says here. He just says this award is like ROY when it’s not even remotely similar by any reasonable measure.

    Anyone that agrees or defends this Gabe person is a certifiable lunatic. He outright LIES over and over here and just endlessly totally makes up completely fabricated BULLSHIT.

    Rising Star is NOT like a ROY award and is NOT even remotely similar to a ROY award.
    If you can’t admit that then you should be banned from this site because your trolling is just to ludicrous levels.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Rising star is not similar to ROY? Euroleague has no draft and players start playing in the league when they are like 15 so there are no rookies. In the NBA that vast majority of rookies, about 99%, (apart from exceptions like Prigioni) are all young players 22 and under.

      So while not exactly the same, the Euroleague Rising Star award which is given to the best player in Euroleague 22 or under is very similar to ROTY in the NBA.

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      • Rambaldi
        12 years ago

        Gabe clearly has proven that he is retarded. Only someone that is retarded could not grasp that the rising star award has absolute no correlation at all to a rookie of the year award.

        At this point, I almost would feel sad for this drooling retard, if he wasn’t also a racist asshole that is.

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  36. Miguel
    12 years ago

    And for the stars that failed in Europe who you listed. Iverson was already way past his prime and washed up. Williams? You have to give a first name when you give such a common name as Williams but you can’t be talking about Deron Williams who scored 50 points one game and then had his Jersey retired. Lawson played only like 10 games in Europe and Jennings was over in Europe as a 19 year old kid.

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    Williams was signed by his team to get them to qualify for Eurocup and he failed to do so. Playing horribly in a qualification series against a POS team from Belgium. So yes, he failed to everyone other than nutcase American NBA only fans that live in an imaginary world.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I’m sure Williams was not signed only to qualify for Eurocup. That series was the 1st games he played when he was still getting back into shape with no training camp or preseason.

      Funny how he failed horribly since he got his FREAKING JERSEY RETIRED!!!!! How you could say someone who got their jersey retired was a failure is beyond insane or trolling and shows that you are purposely trying to be funny.

      Jokester: Michael Jordan was a failure in the NBA.
      Fan: What??!!! What are you talking about? Why would you say that?!!
      Jokester: Well the Bulls retired his jersey and raised it to the rafters. Therefore he had to be a failure to everyone other than nutcase fans that live in imaginary world.
      Fan: I see. I want to introduce you to a troll who posts on BiE. I think you guys would relate.

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      • Rambaldi
        12 years ago

        Williams paid Besiktas $200,000 to “retire” his jersey. How low can your trolling get when you brag about a guy that paid to have his jersey retired and both him and the team were scolded across all European sports media for doing so.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          I’m calling out your bullshit. Unless you can give me a link at least even suggesting that D-Will paid $200,000 to have his jersey retired that you are just lying. It is proven fact that D-Will had his jersey retired. It is a flat out lie that he paid for it. If you want to prove I am wrong that give a link if not you are just a liar.

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  37. mike
    12 years ago

    This Miguel guy is scary, very similar to a terrorist. A basketball terrorist, unable to listen to reason blinded by his fantasies of a superior Europe ala Hitler.

    It’s good to know you’re still with us, Dallas. At least we know you know how ridiculous this weird Euro Trash is.

    Russ, just to add to Gabe’s point about match ups. Last night, Pau Gasol scored 5 points against the Utah Jazz front line led by Al Jefferson, Kanter, and the gang, but this doesn’t prove that Gasol isn’t more skilled than any of those Utah Jazz guys. We’ve seen his body of work playing against the toughest competition.

    Same thing with Jasikev. He had a good game against Payton in the 2000 Sydney Games when the US won Gold, but this game along with his performance in 2004 Athens against a prime time Iverson were the highlights of his career against NBA players. When he finally got to the league, he was so so offensively, but horrible defensively. He just couldn’t contain any PG out there without the zone backing him up. BTW, I read in a blog somewhere that even in Europe, his teams would change up their defense to protect Jasikev when he was out there playing.

    So the point is, the real test of a good player is not a game or two playing well against an NBA All Star. Many times unknown foreign players to American(unknown to arrogant US NBAers only) All Stars have surprised us, but the rigors of an 82 game regular season playing night in and night out against superior athletes tend to expose fake stars. Jasikev has been exposed.

    Rubio, on the other hand, as I have repeated many times, will be a special player. Recently, the Rockets labeled James Harden a “foundational player”. Rubio, I believe, is one of those type of players. Forget about his fg%, and take a look at his overall game. Defense, rebounding, and court presence. When he went down, in a sign of respect, many top NBA players, including LBJ himself ,tweeted some nice things about him.

    We shall see what shape Rubio is in when he gets back.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yeah. A perfect example of a mediocre player outplaying NBA stars in one game is Carlos Arroyo in 2004. He utterly destroyed Team USA, giving them their worse defeat ever (the only defeat by double digits), thoroughly outplaying Iverson and Marbury and with a weaker team than Greece or Lithuania. Although as his 10 years in the NBA showed, while definitely a serviceable back-up point guard he was never close to being an elite player.

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    • Rambaldi
      12 years ago

      Funny, considering you have claimed hundreds of times here that the ONLY games that count to test a Euroleague player’s “true level” against “real competition” is when he plays against Team USA.

      Now you claim that is totally meaningless.

      However, this summer you went on and on for hundreds of posts about how the Olympics “clearly proved the Euroleague players are inferior”.

      I see…………but when the do good against Team USA suddenly it’s “those games don’t count”.

      For you, one of the most insane people around any sports forum to call others crazy is truly astonishing. You are totally delusional, and are suffering from a complete psychosis. So much so, that you call truth tellers and people with logic, reason, and fats “crazy”, while you (a clear certifiable loon) act like some kind of bastion of rationality.

      Calling those that talk about truth “scary”. Yeah, you are pretty much the exact textbook definition of a goose stepping moron.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        I never said it was meaningless. i just said you can’t say a player is an elite player off one game. One tournament maybe. One thing about Arroyo, Spanoulis and Jasikevicius is although they all beat Team USA none of them were able to win an Olympic or World Championship gold and that is what really matters for the greats.

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  38. Goran
    12 years ago

    European teams don’t have any real scouting material on guys like Farmar and Weems. Weems played one freaking season of Euroleague on a bad team, and was maybe the worst player of the Top 16.

    No one was scouting or preparing for him. Farmar played just a part of the regular season then left. Again no one scouted for him.

    Teams are starting to make defensive plans for Weems and he already looks terrible. The ONLY thing he can do is shoot jump shots. That’s it. I would not pout him as even top 50 player in Euroleague. Now that teams understand all he can do is stand and shoot a jump shot……..this fantasy from lunatic fringe ugly Americans about him dominating Euroleague is over.

    I saw two straight games where teams simply chased him off a spot up shooting spot and he was absolute totally useless and could barely even score a basket in whole games.

    Farmar will be adjusted to eventually as well.

    Fernandez is another guy the lunatic fringe ugly Americans claim is dominating Euroleague. While he is a MUCH better player than someone like Weems, he sure cannot dominate Euroleague in his life’s biggest dream.

    Teams simply did not expect Real to be setting so many screens for Fernandez when he as the ball. I already started to notice teams in the ACB starting to adjust to that and 2 of his last 3 games were pretty bad. Due to the fact that he struggles mightily to convert his own shot creations.

    None of those three players is even close to being among the best players in Euroleague. Rudy is a great role player, but that’s it. His offensive game is quite limited and already you see that in ACB once teams starting making the right adjustments to him.

    I always liked Farmar as a player and he’s very exciting and athletic, and I think he’s a smart player and is competitive. He’s aggressive and a good shooter.

    But claiming he is one of the best players in Euroleague is absolutely a comedy. He is so bad at running an offense that after just a few games total, his coach moved him to SG and moved Jamon Lucas (a natural SG) to point guard.

    Farmar runs pick and roll well with running the pick high and wide and making a bounce pass to a cutting big man. That’s about the only play he can run well on pick and roll.

    His ability to set the pace of a game, dictate the tempo, control an offense is about 2 out of a 10 point scale by Euroleague standards.

    As soon as the tougher games come and teams have a better idea on how to adjust to him, Farmar will be basically nothing more than exactly what Jaycee Carroll is in Euroleague. A very good player, but a country mile from anything resembling the world dominant.

    Get back to me with calling these players “dominant” when they start getting trapped and or double teamed every time they touch the ball. Or when the entire defense of the other team is designed to stop them

    Sofoklis Schortsanitis = double or triple teamed in Euroleague almost every time he touches the ball

    Juan Carlos Navarro = entire defense of the other team is designed to stop him, plus when he gets hos he often sees traps and double teams.

    Vassilis Spanoulis = doubled and trapped about half the times he touches the ball, often for entire halves or entire games. The entire defense is keyed and designed to stop him in every single game. Sometimes he is even doubled and trapped off the ball.

    Yet, somehow all those 3 guys still manage to average double figures plus in scoring.

    Get back to me when any of Weems, Farmar, or Rudy ever sees any defense even half that tough against them.

    It is obvious from reading the comments here that guys like mike and Gabe know absolutely nothing about basketball, not even the most basic elements of it.

    If any of those 3 players were dominating Euroleague they would not see a single coverage and a normal defense against them every single game. I have to say that the Americans that post here are generally the dumbest sports fans I have ever encountered anywhere in the world.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I know it’s early into the season but so far Weems, Farmar and Fernandez are 1st and 2nd in index rating, 1st and 3rd in scoring, 4th in assists have two player of the week awards and a player of the month award and have lead their teams to a combined 10-2 record. You can make prediction about what will happen later but over these 4th 4 games they are among the best players in Euroleague.

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      • Paolo
        12 years ago

        Among the best based on what?

        Sonny Weems is bad at defense, is a ball hog, is a huge chucker, and he totally ruins his team’s chemistry and offense. He is also basically just a jump shooter with athletic ability.

        He is just what Romain Sato was a few years ago without the fact that Sato was great at defense. And no one ever put Sato as one of the best players in Euroleague to be honest about it.

        Rudy is very good all around, great team player, great role player, very good on team defense. He however is not a closer, not a finisher – his offensive game is limited. He’s simply a complimentary player on offense.

        It’s like Kirilenko last year. Anyone with basketball knowledge was telling you he was not leading his team to a title because he is just a complimentary player. However, unlike Rudy, really he has better skills on offense as he at least has a post game.

        Rudy is very limited on offense.

        Farmar is great at what he does. Playing fast, getting shots, scoring, shooting, breaking down defense. But –

        Very poor point guard instincts, really a midget SG. Can’t guard anyone at SG but needs to play there on offense. Plays bad defense at PG, really cannot guard anyone.

        Mediocre ability to run an offense as was already pointed out. Really, just the fact that the game is played on TWO ENDS offense and DEFENSE he is not in the best players of Euroleague. Because he can’t guard his own shadow.

        It’s amazing how much you troll that you keep harping on how Jasikevicius could not guard anyone in the NBA and how that means he was not a good player. Well truth is Jasikeivicius was always a bad defender. He was known as worst defender in Greek League when he played with PAO.

        So yes, that’s true. He was always bad at defense and his teams had to help him on defense. But then you totally ignore that when you talk about Farmar. It’s just how he is dominating Euroleague and all this other complete crap from you.

        Strange though, because Farmar cannot guard anyone at all. So here again you apply yet another ridiculous double standard and again show what a complete hypocrite you are. Jasikevicius was bad in NBA supposedly because of defense but Farmar who is terrible on defense in Euroleague is “dominating” according to you.

        Bottom line you are a total douche bag.

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  39. Goran
    12 years ago

    On this subject since the site keeps being overrun with these lunatic fringe ugly American trolls – Spanish national team head coach and Olimpia Milano head coach was asked by the media who is the best EUROPEAN player.

    His answer was Vassilis Spanoulis.

    Not the best Euroleague player, the best EUROPEAN player.

    I think that about sums up the level of trolling from people like gabe, philues and mike here. When they claim guys like Weems and farmar are better than Spanoulis or when they claim Spanoulis isn’t even capable of playing in the NBA.

    Yet, a guy that regularly coaches Spain and regular coaches against the best European and American players said Spanoulis is the best European player alive today.

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  40. AP
    12 years ago

    Indeed – here it is —>

    http://www.redplanet.gr/basket/euroleague/skariolo-spanoulhs-o-koryfaios-eyrwpaios-mpasketmpolistas.2002448.html

    Μας απέδειξε το γιατί είναι Πρωταθλητές Ευρώπης, αλλά και το γιατί ο Βασίλης Σπανούλης ίσως να αποτελεί τον κορυφαίο Ευρωπαίο μπασκετμπολίστα αυτή την στιγμή.

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?clubcode=OLY&gamecode=55#!quotes

    “First of all, congratulations to Olympiacos. They showed why they are the champions and why Vassilis Spanoulis is probably the best European player.

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?clubcode=OLY&gamecode=55#!quotes

    ]Vassilis Spanoulis

    “I appreciated the standing ovation from the Milan fans; this means they liked my performance, and it’s important to try to improve my game every day and the team game too.”

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  41. mike
    12 years ago

    Hey, all we know is what we have seen. Spanoulis failed in the NBA, and then couldn’t lead his team to the Olympics. You can keep to your delusions all you want about the Euroleague, and we can all tell even this site doesn’t believe in your loony tunes Euroleague is better crap.

    “Who doesn’t want to play in the NBA? The best players play there.” V. Span. Read it and weep!

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    • Paolo
      12 years ago

      Are you really trying to claim Spanoulis isn’t good enough to play in the NBA? The guy gets double teamed pretty much in every game in Euroleague without the ball. They have not done that in Euroleague since guys like Petrovic and Galis played back in the 1980s.

      Deron Williams was playing in what basically amounts to a semi pro league by European standards and never once did he see a double team.

      Spanoulis has comparable stats for example to Jordan Farmar being double teamed, while Farmar is single guarded. Farmar spent years playing in NBA rotations, was in the rotation of 2 NBA champion Laker teams, was in double figure scoring with the Nets.

      And he has no better stats honestly than Spanoulis, with the difference again being Spanoulis s doing it against double teams.

      Seriously? I mean REALLY? You are actually going to claim Spanoulis can’t play in the NBA? I have a news flash for you, I watch NBA all the time as I have league pass and I have been a big NBA fan since the Jordan times.

      Spanoulis is definitely better than Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams the so-called best point guards in NBA. Spanoulis is sort of something like a cross between Chris Paul and Steve Nash but he is better than both of them.

      He is better than Nash at defense, and he is better than Paul at offense and defense. Jose Calderon is a pretty solid NBA point guard and he’s not even fit to shine Spanoulis’ shoes.

      I have seen a lot of Spanoulis fan boys in this site, but get real. Despite the fan boys being trolls, Spanoulis is a DAMN GOOD player and I am sure he would devastate the NBA with complete ease if any team gave him a starting role at PG.

      He’s prime Steve Nash on offense, plus great defense. In the right team, he would be the league MVP in the NBA.

      I don’t know if Spanoulis compares to guys like Djordevic, Giannakis, and guys like that in best European point guards ever, but definitely in today’s time he is way better than ones like Calderon, Dragic, Rubio, and I mean WAY better.

      He’s better than Tony Parker, basically to just about any European basketball fan you ask, and Tony Parker gets even mentioned for hall of fame talks by NBA fans. So you can bash on Spanoulis and argue with his fan boys, but done with this crazy stuff about he can’t play in NBA. He’s easily better than every single PG in the NBA.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Again Spanoulis was an utter joke in the NBA and he couldn’t lead his team past Nigeria to qualify for the Olympics. He is a loser.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          And Spanoulis never needed in to get double teamed in the NBA or the game against Nigeria. Listen any player who can need lead his team to a must win victory over Nigeria is not one of the 100 top players in the world. In fact they are a joke.

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  42. Russ
    12 years ago

    OK, now you guys (Gabe and mike) totally amazed me by practically calling Jasikevicius a mediocre player … wow. One must be insane to say that. Jasikevicius made Kidd, Payton, T.Hardaway, Iverson and Marbury all in their prime look like asses numerous times no matter Team Lithuania won or lost ! Team USA met Team Lithuania 4 times during 2000 & 2004 Olympics (Jasikevicius prime) and while Lithuania only won once, but total score is just 364-349. Jasikevicius averaged 20.25 ppg & 4.5 apg while Payton had 8 ppg 1 apg, Kidd 6.8 ppg 1.5 ast, Hardaway 4 ppg 1.5 ast, Iverson 13 ppg 2.5 ast, Marbury 11 ppg 4 apg. Hell even beeing 36 years old he gave a decent matchup this year, scoring 8 pts and dishing out 6 ast in a 94-99 defeat, while starting US pg Chris Paul had 7 pts & 6 ast.
    What’s for an NBA, he just wasn’t given an opportunity because of a dumb ass coaches. At the time he got there (2007) he was an oldest rookie, Carlisle in Indiana prefered (what was his name)…Tinsley and decrepit Nelly in Oakland didn’t even know who he is and what position he plays. So don’t even try to tell me Olympic tournament games don’t count, cause it’s just a bologney. Competition level at the Olympics is
    beyond compare to the regular season circus in the NBA.

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    • Paolo
      12 years ago

      It’s because they don’t know anything about basketball. They are claiming how great Farmar is in Euroleague and how he is “dominating Euroleague”.

      I would take prime Saras over current Farmar 100 times out of 100 times. Yes, Saras was bad at defense, but then again so is Steve Nash. So are most NBA point guards. I mean Rubio is good at defense truly, but really he’s pretty much the only PG in the NBA that really is good at defense to my eyes.

      Most of them are absolutely atrocious at defense. So Saras was not any different in that way. But Saras could pass on a pick and roll or shoot on a screen and pop unlike any other player on the planet. And that is why he routinely gave Team USA absolute nightmares. And he would have been huge in the NBA if he was ever allowed to do anything other than play as a spot up shooter.

      The fact is these guys are clowns and they obviously know nothing about basketball and they definitely have never once seen a Euroleague game. Understand I see this Gabe guy claim here that Rubio and Childress were among the elite and best players of Euroleague and that they “dominated” Euroleague.

      Yes, I am serious, this same clown even said Childress, Josh freaking Childress was one of the best players in Euroleague. That’s how insane that Gabe dude is.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      The stat that counts is that Lithuania only won once. So his record in those games was 1-3 meaning he was a loser. You’re comparing his stats to the guards on Team USA but since USA when 3-1 in those games in obvious that other players on Team USA scored and got assists. For example you gave stats of Chris Paul this summer. While he was playing with James and Durant so of course he is not going to be needed to score or even have the ball in his hands. The important thing is that he has two Olympic gold medals while Spanoulis and Sarus have 0.

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  43. Russ
    12 years ago

    As for the differences between NBA and Euroleague, you don’t need to have a dominant players on your team to win it in Europe. More than that, usually there are a top scorers on a bad teams and good teams have 6 or 7 guy avareging 10 ppg. The winning is the only thing that matters and that’s way basketball is all about team sports in Europe. On the other hand in NBA you have to have a superstar(s) on your team, cause they sell tickets and t-shirts. That is the most important thing there, not the W’s.
    That’s why I said Deron failed last year in Turkey, because he was bought to get W’s for the team, to get them to Eurocup (not a Euroleague), but not to score 50 pts in a meaningless game or have his jersey retired.

    And by the way, this was really funny “He [Rubio] did not average 1 point and 1 assist last time he played for Spain. He averaged 1.5 points and 2 assists” :))))))

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Again, there is no way you can claim someone is a failure if their got their jersey retired. And D-Will did get wins for his team. His record in his 10 games were like 9-1 or something like that including beating teams that were in the Euroleague.

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  44. Phileus
    12 years ago

    Get a room, you guys!

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  45. Russ
    12 years ago

    Jersey retirement in Turkey is a joke. Clearly, the bar for basketball greatness isn’t set too high there. Besiktas team retired his No. 8 jersey after just 15 games. If the lockout had lasted another month or so, he probably would have been headed to Turkey’s Hall of Fame 🙂 In a 74-63 loss to host Dexia Mons-Hainaut from Belgium (!), he finished with 7 points, 7 assists and 6 turnovers. He shot 3 of 13 from the floor. The loss eliminated Besiktas from the second-tier Europe’s tournament and this is all that matters. That was a complete failure (period).
    As for Jasikevicius greatness. Are talking about individual performance or the team’s achievements ? Cause for me that’s a heck of the achievement when the country the size of Rhode Island plays at five olympic semis in a row.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      That game was his first game right when he came over, with no preseason or training camp. After that he tore it up. You could say what you want about the bar for basketball greatness but if he leaves the team with his jersey retired to the rafters that is not a failure and anyone who disagrees with that is just retarded.

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  46. mike
    12 years ago

    That was really funny when one of those Euro Trash guys said D.Will paid Besiktas to retire his jersey. Wow, these people are delusional! LOL. How can you take these people seriously.? Paid to have his jersey retired? Unbelievable!

    Even if the NBA All Stars beat the Euro All Stars by 60 points, they will only say it was rigged by Stern, for sure. There is no way to win an argument with such people.

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  47. mike
    12 years ago

    Minny is now 4-1 in the young season. Without JJ Barea(sprained ankle) and Brandon Roy(sore kneee he should just retire), Minny edged Indiana 96-94. Pekovic 13points, 8 boards. Kiri 6points, 6 boards, 4 assists(kiri’s stats getting closer to his role player type stats in the NBA) Kiri mad the winning assists to Budinger though.

    Shved was a story with 11 points and 7 assists as he led a pick and roll attack for the Timberwolves. When Rubio comes back, it will be interesting to see this 1-2 punch for Minny.

    My Sixers now 3-2 without Andrew Bynum after beating Boston 106-100. Jrue Holiday 21 and 14 assists, 2 steals. Evan Turner 25 points, 11 boards, 4 assists while playing stellar defense vs Paul Pierce and Rondo.

    Exciting NBA season just getting started . Nice to know you’re watching the best league in the world “where the best players play.”*

    *V. Spanoulis

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  48. Erik
    12 years ago

    Gabe says:
    November 9, 2012 at 11.47pm

    That game was his first game right when he came over, with no preseason or training camp. After that he tore it up. You could say what you want about the bar for basketball greatness but if he leaves the team with his jersey retired to the rafters that is not a failure and anyone who disagrees with that is just retarded.

    ———-

    That was NOT his first game and he had TWO awful games. It was a qualification series. He failed to do what he was signed to do.

    If you want to call Spanoulis and Saras failures in the NBA then you also have to call Williams a failure with Besiktas. Otherwise you are applying a made up double standard.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      When Spanoulis and Saras average 19.7 ppg and 6.4 apg then I’ll call them a success in the NBA. When Spanoulis and Saras set an NBA record in scoring for one game then I’ll call them a success. When Spanoulis and Saras score 57 points in a game with their NBA team then I’ll call them a success.

      And lastly, when Spanoulis and Saras get their jersey retired and raised to the rafters by their NBA team then I’ll call them successes in the NBA.

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  49. Erik
    12 years ago

    That was really funny when one of those Euro Trash guys said D.Will paid Besiktas to retire his jersey. Wow, these people are delusional! LOL. How can you take these people seriously.? Paid to have his jersey retired? Unbelievable!

    Even if the NBA All Stars beat the Euro All Stars by 60 points, they will only say it was rigged by Stern, for sure. There is no way to win an argument with such people.

    ————————————–

    He did pay to have it retired. Both Williams and the club said the agreement to have his jersey retired included him agreeing to waive the final $200,000 that he was owed by the team on his contract.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      STOP!!
      Again I’m calling you out on this lie. The way internet discussions work is if someone call you out on a lie you have to give a link for proof or else it is just proven as a lie.

      You have given links many times to back-up your assertion but for some reason when asked to give a link to back-up this insane, incredible, legacy altering assertion you do or can not.

      Which means it is obviously a lie.

      Fact: Deron Williams jersey was retired by the European team he played for.
      http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7295220/besiktas-retires-deron-williams-jersey

      Now you say he paid to have his jersey retired? Give a link or it is just a lie. I might as well claim the Spanoulis paid Euroleague to let him win the championship and Final Four MVP last year.

      What is that an outrageous assertion that I can’t back-up with any proof or links? Well it’s not different than your assertion that D-Will paid to get his jersey retired.

      See this is where we get into your insane trolling. Sometimes you do give facts to back-up your argument. But when faced with facts that contradict you, such as an NBA star getting his jersey retired after playing just a month and a half, so contradicts your delusion that D-Will failed in Europe, that the only thing to do is to make-up bullshit.

      Watch this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5pbt7mbXKU

      When you show me a video of Spanoulis and Saras getting their jersey retired by their NBA teams then we can make comparasions.

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  50. Erik
    12 years ago

    gabe claimed that Hilton Armstrong would for sure be the first team all Euroleague center and he said that

    “Any rotation center in the NBA would automatically be the first team center in Euroleague. If Nenad Krstic can do it, then probably actually any center in the NBA would. I know for sure without any question that Hilton Armstrong will do it”.

    Per European media, Hilton Armstrong was cut by Panathinaikos due to poor play, after averaging 1.5 points and 0.5 rebounds per game.

    http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003331&clubcode=PAN&seasoncode=e2012

    Once again, it is proven here that gabe is absolutely insane.

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