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Ricky Rubio: An object of faith

March 29, 2011

Of all the European players who have come down the NBA Draft pike, none – no, not even Darko – has been as polarizing as one Ricard “Ricky” Rubio Vives. And why such derision on both sides of the Ricky Rubio question? Since when has anyone outside the greater Minneapolis-St. Paul area cared so damn much about the fate of a single prospective Timberwolf?

In November, ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” piece on Rubio commented that the 20-year-old exists outside of Europe as a YouTube legend – a prescient description of the guy BallinEurope likes to refer to as “The Human YouTube Highlight Clip” – and thus laments that the faults in Ricky’s play remain unseen by the great majority of enthusiasts.

It’s as though Rubio becomes an object of faith, a representation of European basketball itself as the single most exciting product to come out of The Continent since at least Dirk Nowitzki. Can this wunderkind baffle with his ball-handling in America? To say “yes” is to meet with derision and charges that the viewpoint’s holder underestimates one-on-one defense in the NBA; to say “no” is seemingly to continue denying that top European players are among the tops on the planet.

Because Ricky Rubio fandom is all a matter of belief.

And it would seem to be a shaky faith overseas, as the mutterings and careful optimism on some Minnesota Timberwolves fans’ parts that continued unabated through 2009-10 evaporated sometime between the FC Barcelona-Los Angeles Lakers game and the “Outside the Lines” piece screening in November.

With poor play against the NBA’s defending champions, any further cachet Rubio had earned with decent, if not brilliant, performances in the 2010 FIBA World Championship. The miracles witnessed in three-minute slices online were rarely in evidence, despite the fact that the no. 6 overall draft pick was directing a successful Team Spain offense and was as quick as ever on the defensive side. (In five games out of nine in the tournament, Rubio managed two or more steals.) But hey, making the sun rise every day isn’t considered a miracle; only overt Jordanesque-level water-into-wine displays will do.

Here at BiE, what started as a simple post about rising ACB star Nikola Mirotic rapidly became a barrage of accusations of trollhood as the Is-Ricky-good-enough-for-the-NBA debate swamped the comments section. Gabe, who has been audacious enough to suggest that recent awards Rubio has received in Europe put him among the elite in Europe; Zoran holds that “Rubio is a joke player. He’s easily the worst player on his team and he is a huge liability whenever he is in the game” and wonders publicly if Gabe is actually a troller.

Well, personally and editorially, as a priest in the Church of Rubio (albeit one with a bit of faltering faith at the moment), BiE is obliged to accept all his comments on Ricky as well as all negative comments on the lad. After all, those who believe will believe and criticism can only serve to make that faith stronger. Those who do not are fated to remain dissatisfied until Rubio first breaks into the NBA and subsequently fails. BiE hopes for success over schadenfreude in this case.

And now, brief run of “Fact or Fiction,” if you will. (This is an ESPN site, after all…)

Fact: Rubio is 20 years old. Fact: He’s the starting point guard on what is most likely the best team in Europe and the defending Euroleague champs. Fact: He’s down in nearly all statistical categories in Euroleague and ACB play and his three-point shooting from the new arc has been disturbingly bad (14.6% in EL games? ¡Come on!).

Fiction: Rubio is the best point guard in Europe. He’s not even the best point guard in Spain in 2010-11.

Opinion: Rubio appeared to actually be improving on defense – and this chasing a season in which he contended for European Defensive Player of the Year. Fact: Dimitris Diamanditis has made Ricky look lost in two consecutive Euroleague playoff games.

Fact: Gabe and Zoran are not trolling, they just have diametrically opposed viewpoints.

Opinion: Rubio may be slightly overrated (representing a change from the traditional BiE stand, which was heavily involved in helping overrate him – though he did have a great season in 2009-10, gotta admit). On the other hand, perhaps he’s having an off year.

BallinEurope will choose to believe the latter for now. And before the vitriol rises and the mad keyboard punching begins, BiE will paraphrase Soren Kierkegaard with the closer, “The existence of Rubio’s superhuman talent is founded in our minds not on the basis of logic or reason, but purely on faith.”

Rubio and FC Barcelona play the third game of their Euroleague Playoff series at Panathinaikos Athens tonight at 8.45pm CET (3.45pm EST).

Mar 29, 2011ballineurope
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Comments: 19
  1. martin
    14 years ago

    Timberwolfes stink! But one day Ricky will be one of the best guards in the NBA. He is a multifuntional guy with increadible ball handleing skills, he can steal, dunk and he is deadly from downtown. I’m waiting for see him in the playoffs, facing another great pointguard.

    Martin from BAAM

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    • Nick
      14 years ago

      WOW? Deadly from downtown? He is 14.6 from 3 point line in the Euroleague. That’s not deadly.

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  2. Gabe
    14 years ago

    I never said Rubio was one of the elite in Europe, just that he doesn’t suck.

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  3. Apollo
    14 years ago

    Rubio stinks. He has one good game every 3-4 games and he is terrible in all the others.

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  4. Apollo
    14 years ago

    You implied that he was one of Europe’s elite Gabe. That is what you do. You post in a manner that twists and manipulates everything. You posted a bunch of awards from Wikipedia and made it seem like he was this incredibly accomplished Euroleague player.

    He has never accomplished anything except being a minor bit role player on the Euroleague champs last year. What else has he done? Nothing.

    This is typical of how you post Gabe. You do the same thing when you post all that endless nonsense about Childress which is just freaking hilarious. Yeah, you posted awards from preseason tournaments that somehow makes Rubio an accomplished Euroelague player……….

    You obviously don’t know a thing about European basketball but you get off on telling everyone else here that you know more about it than anyone else. And when your “arguments” are always broken you come back with lame nonsense like “Rubio is the starting point guard on the best team in Europe”.

    Even though the “starting point guard” has hardly ever played the 4th quarter in any important game the last 2 years. Even though “the starting point guard” is worse than Lakovic, Navarro, Sada – other PG/SG on his own team…….

    Even though the “best team in Europe” was swept 3-0 by Baskonia in the ACB playoffs last year, with Huertas dominating Rubio. Even though the “best team in Europe” is down 2-1 to Panathinaikos, with Diamantidis dominating Rubio…………..

    It’s the same BS Gabe from you. You talk so much crap about how Kleiza and Childress were these great Euroleague players and the truth is they were absolute shit in every single important game in Greek League and Euroleague.

    If you want to be taken seriously here, actually watch some damn games.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      If you read my posts you will see that I never implied he was “elite” I was implying that he doesn’t suck. And no those were not awards from preseason tournaments but from ACB and as this writer for BIE writes he was in contention for European defensive player of the year this year. Why would Barcelona start him if he sucks?
      I’m not going to get into it about Chidress and Kleiza again because not only did they win awards but I posted their numbers in very important games when they lead Olympiacos in points and rebounds in taking them to final. How is Olympiacos doing this year without them? Doesn’t look like they’re going to get out of the quarterfinals.

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      • PainPimp
        14 years ago

        Jeez, get a room already!

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  5. Apollo
    14 years ago

    gabe, the ACB is a secondary league in Europe. You posted awards from that. It’s not the top level of Europe. You posted awards from the JUNIOR level of the Spanish national team.
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    You posted awards that are ONLY for players under age 20 or age 22………

    You DID post awards from preseason cup tournaments.

    You need to read the wikipedia articles a little more carefully before you go using them to try to prove you are some kind of “expert” on European basketball, despite never even seeing a European basketball game.

    Your copy and paste from Wikipedia is just funny stuff.

    PLEASE SHOW ME a single award that Rubio has won from the EUROLEAGUE (the top level) that was for ALL players, not just for players under a certain age. PLEASE Gabe, enlighten me.

    All the awards you posted are nothing more than what an NCAA or D-League award youth level award would be in the USA. So it is like saying that some NBA players that sucks in NBA but was good in NCAA should have NCAA age awards counted towards his performance in the NBA.

    Nothing you are saying is in the least bit logical, nor does it have an ounce of truth to it.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      The ACB is a secondary league in Europe? The ACB is the top league in Spain and arguably the best league in Europe with the current Euroleague champs Barca, Real Madrid, Saski Baskonia and Valencia, half the teams in the Euroleague quarterfinals now. Nothing I posted for Rubio was for under a certain age, read my post again. You are comparing the ACB to NCAA or D-league? I’m sure Spanish fans would have something to say about that. Do NCAA or D-league teams win NBA championships like ACB teams win Euroleague championships?

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      • Gabe
        14 years ago

        Okay Apollo, I looked back at my post and out of the 10 awards I posted for Rubio, one (FIBA European young player of the year) was for younger players. There was also one for a rising star but all the rest were for ACB, the top Spanish league, which many people say is the second best league in the world after the NBA. (and I know that Euroleague is a mix of the top teams from different national leagues so that doesn’t really count as a league) See, I know more about European basketball than you think, maybe even more than you comparing the ACB to D-League.

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  6. Eric
    14 years ago

    This Gabe guy is an unbelievable troll. Now he is claiming the ACB league is better than the Euroleague. I cannot believe this guy.

    The ACB is full of teams that could not win more than 0-2 games in Euroleague. Yeah sure the ACB is better than the Euroleague. And the USBL is also better than the NBA.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Again putting words in my mouth. I never said it was better than Euroleague, of course Euroleague is the best in Europe. In fact it’s stupid to compare them because Euroleague league is made out of the best teams from all different leagues in Europe, including the ACB. But out of all those leagues ACB is arguably the best with the most teams in Euroleague this year (five) and four out of those five teams advanced to the quarterfinals. So with half of the teams in the Euroleague quarterfinals and the defending champions I could argue that the ACB is the best league in Europe (not including Euroleague of course).

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  7. Goran
    14 years ago

    Gabe:

    “Again putting words in my mouth. I never said it was better than Euroleague, of course Euroleague is the best in Europe.”

    Yes you did.

    Gabe:

    “ACB, the top Spanish league, which many people say is the second best league in the world after the NBA.”

    “The ACB is the top league in Spain and arguably the best league in Europe.”

    You said point blank that the Spanish League is the second best in the world and the best in Europe. You falt out said the Spanish League is better than the Euroleague. Then when you got called on your trolling you lied and pretended and said you did not say that when that was just what you did say.

    Please stop trolling here.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Man you guys really have a inferiority complex about European basketball. Accusing people of trolling if you disagree with them. As I said before I didn’t count Euroleague as a league because it is really a tournament with top teams from a bunch of league. Okay I misspoke by claiming ACB was the best league in Europe after Euroleague (which ACB is part of) you can claim this.

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  8. nikos
    14 years ago

    Gabe and his myths and lies exposed once again. According to Gabe Rubio plays on the “best team in Europe”.

    Well the “best team in Europe” lost 3-0 in the Spanish league playoffs and the 3-1 in the Euroleague playoffs. So much for the “best team in Europe”.

    Gabe and his NBA only fan myths and legends that he trolls this site with.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Again in nikos we have a fan with an inferiority complex by claiming I am a troll. Barca was the defending Euroleague champs, so until they lost today (after when I posted) they were arguably the best team in Europe. They were the best team in Europe last year with Rubio. By so quickly claiming I am a troll who spreads myths and lies, when I back everything I say by fact or clarify myself, shows how insecure you really are.
      Oh and Apollo, how’d Olympiacos do this year without Childress and Kleiza? Did they make the final again? No they couldn’t even make the semifinal. Maybe they should have signed Hairston?

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  9. Sani
    14 years ago

    Hairston is much better than Childress. Childress on his best day is not half the player Hairston is. Barca lost 3-0 to Vitoria last season in the playoffs so how were they the best team in Europe last year? They were not. You cannot be the best team in Europe and get swept out of the playoffs.

    This is stupid talk to say a team that is swept in the playoffs was the best team in Europe and it is wrong.

    Rubio is a very overrated player. In recent years Vlado Ilievsky, Sani Becirovic, Nikos Zisis, and Milos Vujanic were all much better players than he is now when they were at age 20 (Rubio’s age now) and they all played the same position as Rubio.

    Rubio isn’t even the best 20 year old PG of Europe in the last decade, more like 5th best at that age. If he is really worth a number 5 draft pick the NBA is a lower level than the Euroleague is because I don’t believe that Rubio would be taken 5th if you held a draft in Euroleague to choose between all the 18-22 year old players just in Europe.

    I doubt he would go any higher than 10. But he went 5th in the NBA draft, which included players from the USA and the whole world. Funny stuff.

    As for Olympiakos I doubt they care much about losing the Euroleague this year versus last year or the year before. So what is that comment supposed to mean that Childress as a good player or something? They lost Euroleague both years with him and he sucked pretty much every time I saw him play.

    Out of 6 titles Childress won 1. He was 1 for 6 winning just a measly single Greek cup and that was all on Teodosic’s efforts. So this guy wins 1 out of 6 titles and you are trying to say he was good? What? Olympiacos didn’t lose Euroleague when he played there?

    Olympiacos is three times more concerned and interested in winning the Greek championship. The Euroleague is a very secondary concern to them. Probably 90% of their focus is winning the Greek championship over PAO. They probably lost on purpose in Euroleague even so they could have the advantage in Greece which is something PAO is also known to do.

    The Euroleague is hardly even important to them by comparison. Childress has 2 chances to win a Greek title which is what he was being paid $10 million how the NBA counts it a year to do. He was 0-2 and 2-6 in the 8 games. Miserable failure.

    The season of Olympiacos is 100% fail or success based on one thing only and that is winning PAO at the Greece final. Gabe must be a novice fan to European basketball to not know this. Greek final is like life and death like war for those clubs. You seem to think Euroleague is somehow more important to Olympiacos. I have to laugh really hard.

    Winning Euroleague for an Olympiacos supporter would be nice and winning Greek championship would be like going to heaven.

    Let me explain it to you through American NBA homer glasses – winning Euroleague for Olympiacos is like winning a division in the NBA and winning Greek league like winning the NBA championship.

    I suggest you watch the Greek cup final and the Greek league final otherwise you will keep sounding like an idiot with your comments here.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      That’s funny how winning a Greek league final is more important than winning a Euroleague final. Also I wouldn’t judge the draft as a judge of the league. Obviously the scouts think Rubio has potential. The NBA is the same league that drafted Juan Carlos Navarro 40th.

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  10. Missas
    14 years ago

    The Greek final derby is10 times more important to Olympiakos than the Euroleague is. As I read here that Gabe is a troll – yes Gabe has confirmed his troll status officially now.

    To Rubio what potential does he have? He is crap. He made one of the worst players of Panathinaikos in the last 20 years and one of the worst players of Greece national team of the last 25 years Nick Calathes look like a superstar by comparison during the playoff series.

    This Calathes that sucks horrible for the last 2 years suddenly looked like a super player as compared to Rubio. If NBA scouts believe Rubio has potential then they are all retarded morons.

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