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The new system of European cups

March 8, 2008

After FIBA announced officially yesterday the new form of the European Cups and Tobias already talked about it, I wanted also to add my two cents about this new structure.

First of all, why is FIBA publishing this release alone, and not in a joint message from FIBA Europe and ULEB. I wanted to check today if either the Euroleague website or the ULEB Cup announces something on their website. But all I found there was this.

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I won’t talk for the I don’t know how many times about the poor ULEB Communication platforms but at least, I can not remember having seen any message about these changes yesterday evening. So was FIBA Europe just doing some front running as they state in their message: Further details will be made available by FIBA Europe as they are finalized. But in general, this still does not look like a huge collaboration between the two organizational bodies of European basketball.

So coming to what has been decided and revealed so far.

1. The elimination rounds will be administered by FIBA Europe and will be played under FIBA Europe eligibility rules.

So there will be Elimination rounds for the future 2nd and 3rd league. I will call them leagues now as they will play under the league scheme and the official names have not been revealed so far. What does mean however "will be played under FIBA Europe eligibility rules"? Does this mean that the FIBA foreigner rules will be applicable for these two elimination rounds, which means only 2 US born player? And after the two rounds, the leagues will start under ULEB rules and so unlimited US players? Very unclear in my opinion and not coherent at all.

2. The second and third competitions (featuring 32 teams each) will run on a parallel calendar during the season.

Parallel calendar sound very good, but which league will play when or will all the games be played on Tuesdays (like the ULEB Cup actually)? What is more important is the number of teams. So we will have 24 Euroleague teams, 32 2nd league teams and 32 3rd league teams. With the elimination rounds, the number of teams involved will still be a lot higher, so you can guess that you have something like 100-150 teams participating in the whole competition. (24+32+32=88 league teams plus qualifying rounds). I know that small countries like Iceland, Andorra or Luxembourg have voting rights in the FIBA Europe bodies. And that some of the smaller countries complained about the impossibility to participate in European Cups because of the League schedules. So now, with the re-apparition of qualifying rounds, we will probably see back teams like the first ever European competition participant Etzella Ettelbrück from Luxembourg or the Maltese powerhouse Bupa Luxol.

3. There will be promotion from the third competition to the second competition beginning in the 2009-2010 season.

This is probably the most interesting addition and the only thing that shows the integration of the three competitions. So actually it is possible to move up from the 2nd league to the Euroleague but also from the 3rd league to the 2nd league. So in theory, a team that actually has never had the chance to qualify either for the ULEB Cup or the Euroleague can move up in two years from the third league to the Euroleague. However, when it has once reached the Euroleague, and does not win it, it has to start from the bottom again. Now additionally a sportive criteria going down would be interesting like reducing the number of participating teams of a country in the Euroleague by one for the worst team.

4. The name of Euroleague will remain while the other two competitions will be renamed in the near future.

Nobody cares, but will we see back the Radivoj Korac and Lilianne Ronchetti cups? My guesses for the future 2nd and 3rd league will however be some kind of weird combination/compromise between ULEB and FIBA Europe.  So why not a ULEB Borislav Stankovic memorial Cup or the FIBA Europe Eurocup Jordi Bertomeu League? We will see…

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  1. JonathanG
    17 years ago

    This is going to fall flat on its face if FIBA tries to make it that teams can only have two non EU (ie: American) players on their roster in those two competitions, like they do now in the FIBA EuroCup. We’ve seen tons of teams decline to participate in their competitions in the past simply because it made no sense to sign 3-5 Americans like their league allows them to, but not play some of them in such an extended amount of games. It makes practice very difficult, and it basically screws up your entire rotation.

    This will work for Greek, Russian and Spanish teams, but what about teams from Italy, France, Turkey, Israel. Belgium, Germany, etc?

    Belgian and German teams are allowed to have between 8-10 Americans on their roster for example…

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  2. Arkadios
    17 years ago

    Actually none of the four teams of the Fiba Cup Final Four are Greek, Russian, Spanish or whatever that ‘would work for them’…

    And if you had followed the Fiba Cup you would now that one of the teams is actually Belgique (does this work or not for Belgique teams after all?) while the others are from Cyprus, Latvia and Estonia…

    So if a team form Cyprus can build a decent team using only 2 Americans surely the German or the French teams can do the same…

    The 2 Americans rule will actually help European basketball.

    If some clubs are just too lazy or cheap to do some scouting or youth development and are buying any reject from the NCAA it is not FIBA’s problem…

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  3. JonathanG
    17 years ago

    Obviously I wasn’t talking about this year smartass, I was talking about next, and more importantly about the 2nd tier competition, which will be the ULEB Cup. The FIBA Cup this year is weak…look at the teams that qualified for the Final Four– the 8th best team in the BBL, a team from Cyprus, the 4th best team in Belgium, and the 4th best team in the BBL. Hardly an endorsement for the quality of the league I’m afraid.

    If you don’t think that’s going to be an issue amongst teams from the leagues mentioned above, then obviously you are living in some kind of fantasy world and don’t understand much about the way European basketball works.

    Regarding scouting– teams scout European players and they scout American players. What does that have to do with anything? The bottom line is that you get a lot more value from signing Americans. They are cheaper, more athletic, and 95% of the time, flat out better. I

    And btw, go ahead and ask Mons’ coach what it’s like to have to play with two different sets of rosters every single week. He’ll be the first one to tell you that it’s hurt them. And he’s said as much himself.

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  4. Arkadios
    17 years ago

    Good points there… except for one fact. There is a reason it is called EURO Cup. Because it is a European competition. It is a farm league for NCAA graduates (If they ever actually manage to graduate anyway…)

    Fans are strange, when Panathinaikos and CSKA win the Euroleague with massive budgets people say that they are practically buying the Euroleague trophy, when a Cypriot or an Estonian team makes it to a European competition Final Four, then the standard is obviously low and they do not have the right to do so…

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  5. JonathanG
    17 years ago

    OK, so its just a matter of being xenophobic then, I understand. You don’t like people who are different than you. No point in trying to have a logical conversation with you.

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  6. Eric
    17 years ago

    I follow Euroleague and Uleb, but I don’t understand the value of the “third” division Cup.
    In France, teams that couldn’t make last year p-o in the national champ, were invited to the EuroCup.
    Sure, those teams didn’t win this Cup (France clubs are no-Euro-Power). I am just wondering about the interest of this cup…..

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