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Beşiktaş Cola Turka 88, Olin Edirne 75; Iverson plays 38 minutes, scores 10

December 4, 2010

Three days after Allen Iverson sat out the fourth quarter for Beşiktaş Cola Turka against Asvel Basket and produced a few choice angry mutterings thereafter, Mr. Answer played nearly the entire game for Beşiktaş Cola Turka in last night’s 88-75 win at Olin Edirne.

Iverson’s shooting touch was still a off in playing just under 38 minutes, as A.I. went 3-of-10 in overall shooting for 10 points, but made up for it with five assists and a huge four steals. Coming up big for the Eagles was the bench: Serhat Cetin scored 23 points – many dished by Iverson – on crazy 9-of-10 shooting; Michal Ignerski contributed 17 to go with five rebounds; and Team Australia’s A.J. Ogilvy added a 12/6 and was credited for contributing to a defense that (finally) managed to win a fourth quarter. Beşiktaş’ usual starting point guard Mire Chatman took a DNP for the game.

Check out the videos below for a Turkish attempt to rattle Iverson, jeering whenever he touches the ball on offense.

Going into Saturday’s games, Beşiktaş sits in fifth place on the TBL table; the team can fall no further than sixth after the weekend, depending on the Galatasary-Banvit result.

Next up for Beşiktaş: On Tuesday night, they’ll be hosting Asvel Basket in Istanbul. Here’s to thinking Iverson sees more than 20 minutes of court time in the rematch.

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Comments: 21
  1. Ioannis
    12 years ago

    Please can you stop this nonsens news about AI, please.
    Why are you doing this?

    Who wants to know about such a crap game?
    Tell us more about the big six in Europe (Barca, Real, Pana, OSFP, MS, ZSKA).

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    • John Vai
      12 years ago

      Ioannis- The only reason I’m interested with this league was because of A.I. I’m sorry but you should not visit this web site…. intiendes…

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  2. Jt
    12 years ago

    Tons of people want to know. You should be glad people who have better things to do than follow euro basketball are now taking notice becuz of ai. Keep up the news on ai plz

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  3. Rollie
    12 years ago

    …no one is forcing you to read about A.I.

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  4. Jim
    12 years ago

    The only reason i’m on this website is to read about A.I. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.

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  5. Igor
    12 years ago

    Most of the NBA only fans are an embarrassment to this site. If they want to comment here then they need to stop with all the ridiculous bias and homerism (and even thinly veiled racism). The comments from people like Gabe are so insulting and ridiculous and out of line.

    NBA only fans are more than welcome here as long as they drop the nonsense BS, which they have not. They just can’t get it through their thick heads how overrated the NBA is. Iverson isn’t playing well because he actually sees defense now, something which is banned and illegal in the NBA.

    I doubt if Iverson would even see the court in a good Euroleague team. Childress was so bad in Euroleague it was a joke. He was AWFUL. Terrible. Yet we have NBA fans continue to flood this site with how he was one of the best in Europe.

    You guys come here and insult European basketball over and over and state lies, fantasy, and fiction. And you get all insulted and ticked off when any European calls you on your BS. The “Euros are delusional” and such other insulting comments.

    The NBA is incredibly, EXTREMELY overrated and you just can’t grasp it. You guys come across as a bunch of ignorant and arrogant fools with your comments here. Believe it or not, Iverson is barely even a blip on the sports radar in Europe, if even that.

    I see the comments here, if Iverson played bad it was his teammates, or his coach or whatever. No. The second tier level of Europe, TBL and Eurocup is a high level. Never mind the Euroleague, which is better than the NBA is.

    American NBA only fans are the most insulting and arrogant sports fans I’ve ever seen, not to mention the most ignorant.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Igor you are a joke with your delusions. The Euroleague is a second tier league that is 7-37 against the NBA in exhibitions since 2003. Euroleague is filled with players who couldn’t make the NBA, especially the Americans. The reason Iverson is playing in Europe is because no NBA team would take him.

      Just to prove how delusional you are Igor, you say Childress was so bad it was a joke. Well in his second year in Euroleague, Childress made 2nd team All-Euroleague and his team was in the final. To believe Euroleague is better than NBA is akin to believing the MLS is the best soccer league in the world, only for the delusional. I seem to remember an Igor on the FIBA website saying team USA will not do well. Well Team USA filled with NBA players is the defending Olympic and World Champions. Four of the five players on the all-tournament team for the 2010 championship were NBA players!

      Lets reverse this. Kleiza was the Alphonso Ford Trophy winner in Euroleague, but in the NBA he is a bench player on a bad team. So while you are saying that Iverson, a washed up player in the NBA who no team would take, is barely only a blip on the sports radar in Europe, I reply by saying that Kleiza, the leading scorer in Euroleague is not even a blip on the sports radar in the USA.

      I am not going to generalize Euroleague fans because I know most are not delusional like you but Igor if you keep believing the Euroleague is better than the NBA than you might as well believe you are President of the USA because both beliefs are just as insane.

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      • Apollo
        12 years ago

        Gabe, you are the exact reason why NBA fans are so hated around the world.

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    • John Vai
      12 years ago

      Beat the dream team first before you comment…. arrogant…. ignorant….best my ass…

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  6. Rollie
    12 years ago

    Igor – You talk of the bias that Americans have toward the NBA is wrong, and then you write a book showing your bias toward the international basketball? That is hypocritical.

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  7. Apollo
    12 years ago

    Rollie just look at what this guy Gabe says. This is typical of the comments we got in here for a long time from NBA fans. Gabe has been doing it for a long time and he was a huge troll at the FIBA website as well. I remember being personally insulted there several times by him.

    Of course not all American NBA fans are like this, but the ones like Gabe seem to make up about 90% of that group though.

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  8. Gabe
    12 years ago

    There you are Apollo. It is you who are the true troll. Everything I say is fact. I remember you saying USA would be lucky to make the semi-finals. How’d that work out for ya? Team USA proved their superiority by winning the Olympics and the World Championship with two different completely different teams. Now it’s harder to prove the NBA’s superiority because the leagues just play exhibitions against each other and Barca did win the exhibition game between champions against the Lakers this year, but before that game Euroleague teams lost 18 exhibition games in a row to NBA teams. Again stating a fact that you could look up on wikipedia: since 2003 Euroleague teams are 7-36 against NBA teams. Yes most of the games were in North America but if we break it down Euroleague teams are 5-8 in Europe and 2-28 in North America against NBA teams. I know the games are only exhibitions but if the leagues were close in talent the results wouldn’t be so lope-sided with Euroleague teams only winning 1 of 15 games in NBA arenas!

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    • EricK
      12 years ago

      The Euroleague Final Four beats the NBA Finals for level of competition. And this is coming from a long-time NBA fan. I’ve been to both in person on more than one occasion. The highest level of the Euroleague is more intense and physical than the NBA is, with a lot harder defense and much better coaching.

      If the NBA ever agreed to a true world championship (which they won’t) they would lose more often than they would win.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Erick how can you make such as absurd statement? The only reason you find it more exciting is because it is a one and done series. And maybe the coaching is better and more defense allowed but just look at the roosters of the to Euroleague teams. They would have difficulty beating the worst teams in the NBA. All I have to is point to the fact that Euroleague teams are 7-36 against NBA teams in exhibitions since 2003 to prove my point. You may like Euroleague better, you may even say it is a better “brand” of basketball, but any true basketball fan with a mind and a brain knows that talent wise the Euroleague teams are not even close to NBA teams. We had a true World Championship this summer and the undefeated champion of that and current Olympic Champions are made up entirely of NBA players. Just look at the rooster of Maccabi Tel Avivi who are ranked #1 by this website. They would be one of the worst teams in the NBA if not the worst!

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        • Mika
          12 years ago

          Gabe, you are a typical NBA only fan as it is called in Europe. You don’t have basic basketball knowledge and you are not a true basketball fan. You are just an NBA only fan as it is called in Europe. The best Euroleague teams would tear the best NBA teams a complete new one playing under the mixed rules. With refs that allow contact, hand checking, and a true zone defense, the best NBA teams would be bullied and overwhelmed physically by the best Euroleague teams. The NBA teams would not even know what hit them in a one game true world championship. The modern day NBA is basically a pussy league made for marketing purposes and is full of fake manufactured “stars” .

          Your comments really show that you are completely biased and just state everything from the false belief that the NBA is some magical and superior league. You are just like 99% of the other NBA fans in the US. The bottom line is that the NBA teams would be pushed around and bullied easily by the Euroleague clubs which are way, way, way more physical.

          You are still living in the era when the NBA played under the old rules. You are in fantasy land, just like the other NBA only fans. The current NBA is as soft as butter and most of the players and teams would get embarrassed in a competition with an elite Euroleague team. Stern has made the NBA a weak league. Your comments about Team USA are completely illogical and don’t even have anything to do with the Euroleague. Not to mention that FIBA is a corrupt organization and exists only for marketing and money reasons, just like the NBA. Just like how the NBA manufactures teams and players for money, FIBA manufactures results for the same. Neither of them is based on competition and only incredibly naive people think it is. The funniest thign about it is that most US sports fans hate the NBA and consider it a rigged joke, but people like you think it is actually real. Get a clue. The NBA is practically like WWE and FIBA is about the same whenever Team USA or a big money giving host team are involved, or in any game that might influence the pre-determined outcome they want.

          The Euroleague is still an actual competition. It does have some corruption, bad refs, and attempts at rigging, but it’s about 1/00 as bad as the NBA is. And of course all over the years the NBA only fans like you have denied the obvious. Well now thanks to Wikileaks you idiots can shut up as the documents revealing the NBA fixing games, and the talk that they also have the documents that reveal them fixing international tournaments has been revealed. Seriously, just shut up Gabe. Go talk your nonsense at an American forum and not here.

          You are one of those fools that actually believes that for some bizarre reason NBA players are magically “athletically superior” to Euroleague players. Basically, from someone that has followed both leagues extensively, you are at the very least an ignorant xenophobe and in reality you are much more likely and most probably a racist. The NBA is most definitely not more athletic than the Euroleague and all the people that believe that really do sincerely come across as racists. Go talk to the other people that base how good a player is on what color his skin is. You don’t have me fooled for one second.

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            The difference between you and me Mika is that I state facts and you state opinions and conspiracy theories. I looked up what you said about wikileaks and rigging and didn’t see anything except other rumors.

            The facts are NBA teams are 36-7 against Euroleague teams since 2003 and when they do lose it is by by 3 or 4 points. Panathinaikos and CSKA Moscow when they were defending Euroleague champions, came to North America, played 4 games against NBA teams and lost all four games by an average of 23.75 points.

            Team USA with NBA players went undefeated in the World Championships and the Olympics with only 1 game in single digits and they physically overwhelmed the competition including the Europeans.

            Star players from Euroleague come to America and are just average players at best (Anthony Parker) while average players in the NBA go to Euroleague and become stars (Linas Kleiza).

            So if you want to believe everything is rigged fine, you probably believe 9/11 was an inside job too. But to me I think that is the last excuse of someone who can’t accept the actual results. You can’t deal with the facts that NBA dominates Euroleague in actually competition and USA dominates European teams in actual competition so the only thing you can do, apart from admitting your inferiority, is claim everything is rigged.

            Also would it really be in FIBA’s best economic interest if USA wins all the time, considering that the USA doesn’t really care about FIBA?

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  9. Rollie
    12 years ago

    Apollo – I’ve actually watched the international game and told people that the game is more fundamentally sound than the NBA (hence why they occasionally beat U.S. squads.) The more fundamentally sound teams in the NBA (like the Celtics) would be extremely hard to beat.

    This is why I said that Iverson would benefit from this because he is being forced to play a fundamentally sound game and play within a system. By the end of his contract he will be a better player.

    That being said, I don’t see this as a demotion. It’s just another intreresting chaper in his career. I have a friend that used to play overseas and he loved the experience.

    As far as Gabe, I don’t know dude and haven’t seen too many of his comments. But he is entitled to his opinion. You can choose to ignore dude, or battle it out with him.

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  10. marc
    12 years ago

    good info on inverson thanks. i wish people in turkey saw him play 10 years ago. look at his youtube games. his dribbling is amazing..

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  11. Professional Sports Fan
    12 years ago

    The coach is the key to winning or losing basketball games. Good coaches do not usually lose a lot of games, bad coaches usually do not win a lot basketball games.

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  12. solo23
    12 years ago

    this blog is full of ignorant minded people. how can you guys stereotype? basketball is basketball…it doesnt matter if europe or U.S. who cares..calm down life aint that deep. get a grip. if your so competitive about what league is better…why the fuck arent you playing?

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  13. Jen
    12 years ago

    If the NBA is so inferior, then why does the Euro league sign their players, why are they trying to get the sports’ world attention by doing so? If I lived in Istanbul, I would love the fact the Allen Iverson was playing there, it only increases the basketball world’s interest in the Euro league, gives them exposure to a larger audience, and hopefully generates local commerce. I live in the state of New Jersey in the United States of America! I am a fan of the game! I by no means feel we are superior to anyone or anything but, the fact that I am even on this site is because of Allen Iverson. Swallow your pride and reaize that Besiktas signed him for their own reason and it was not to insult the other players in the league or their fans!

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