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On the demise of Lithuanian Basketball

March 13, 2012

Jasikevicius: The long-term leader

BallinEurope is not exactly sure what led our man in Lithuania, the enigmatic Y., to contemplate the fortunes of his country’s national team … but who are we to question a Lietuva hometowner when it comes to basketball? Y. goes back eight years to figure out where things went so terribly wrong and unfortunately finds little hope for Team Lithuania’s future – even with the likes of Jonas Valančiūnas and Donatas Motiejūnas aboard…

Underachievement of a previous generation
The 2004 Olympic Games were a huge disappointment for Lithuania. As EuroBasket 2003 champions, the team was one of main favourites for silver (the fall of the “Dream Team” was still unimaginable). Lithuania, however, that year finished fourth: one step short of the prize it had collected in every Olympiad since the country’s independence.

This was the beginning of the demise of what was a top national team in the world. Players’ refusal to participate, retirements, injuries and an underachieving new generation – all these aspects contributed to Lithuania’s fall from basketball superpower levels to status as a regional great, capable of reaching a medal stage in the right circumstances.

Make no mistake: The Lithuanian national team remains impressive and very competitive in almost every tournament in which it plays. It’s just not as impressive as it used to be. Not anymore.

A fact unnoticed by many was that in 2004, though Lithuania was lacking at least a few quality players, the team fell just short of medals due to 18-of-28 three-point shooting by Italy in the semi-final match and Team USA’s loss to Argentina in the other bracket.

Ilgauskas: Exactly zero career appearances with Team Lithuania

Žydrūnas Ilgauskas did not play due to health concerns expressed by the Cleveland Cavaliers. For them, of course it was a big issue. Žydrūnas had been chosen as an NBA All-Star in 2003 (and later in 2005), a feat then still unachieved even by Spanish great Pau Gasol. Ilgauskas could have been a huge boost for Lithuania under the basket: the center position was the weakest point of the 2004 national team.

Combo guard Rimantas Kaukėnas, who averaged 18.8 points, 2.9 rebounds and 1.6 steals in the ULEB Cup, could have been a solid backup shooting guard/sometime point guard (Vidas Ginevičius was no adequate substitute for Šarūnas Jasikevičius) – yet Kaukėnas was not invited to the team due to disagreements with the team’s head coach.

Despite missing Žydrūnas and Kaukėnas, Lithuania still did well because their squad consisted of a backcourt from among the Euroleague elite. Jasikevičius, third in the EL in assists in 2003-04, had led Maccabi Elite Tel Aviv to the Euroleague title; his performance in the subsequent Olympics resulted in no less than NBA.com wondering “Could it be that the best point guard in the world doesn’t even play in the NBA?”

Meanwhile, 23-year-old Arvydas Macijauskas was considered as one of best shooters in the world at that time, having averaged 19.5 points in 20 games in the 2003-04 Euroleague season for TAU Ceramica Vitoria (including a 40-point, 50-efficiency rating outburst against Asvel Villeurbanne). Ramūnas Šiškauskas was simultaneously morphing into another Euro star, gaining a starting position with Benetton Treviso after the Olympiad. Add to this a bunch of quality players such as Darius Songaila, Eurelijus Žukauskas, Saulius Štombergas, Robertas Javtokas, Mindaugas Žukauskas and Dainius Šalenga and you get a nice team. Without a doubt, with two missing additions, you’d have got a consistent top-four team for international play, easily.

In a total dream world, if you connected that squad to the 2003-04 Euroleague regular season and 40-year-old EL Top 16 MVP Arvydas Sabonis, even if just for 20 minutes per game, you would get a truly scary team: a superpower in terms of basketball.

Valanciunas: Lithuania's hope for the future?

2012: Lithuania’s lack of talent
But that was 2004. The dream roster never really materialised, and Lithuania never achieved true greatness. Key stars missed the summers of 2005 and 2006, and the team ended up with no achievements. The maturing Spanish national team has taken over since then to net gold in 2006, 2009, and 2011 plus silver in 2007 and 2008, demonstrating an example of excellence that can be achieved by assembling the very best players which dominate European leagues and are prominent in the NBA.

As Lithuania’s former stars faded (Macijauskas and Štombergas retired; Jasikevičius and Šiškauskas stopped producing at the highest level), the new generation fell short of replacing them. Martynas Gecevičius, Simas Jasaitis, Martynas Pocius, Mantas Kalnietis and Jonas Mačiulis all became quality, but average, contributors for their European teams at a level far, far from Macas, Šaras and Šiškauskas in their primes.

Kleiza: An exception

Linas Kleiza, part of Lithuania’s 2010 FIBA World Championship squad, seems to be the only exception. His play for Olympiakos Piraeus was on par with former Lithuanian stars, but is still nowhere near that of Ilgauskas in the NBA. It remains to be seen whether Kleiza will be joined in the future by Jonas Valančiūnas and Donatas Motiejūnas, who, although young, have shown occasional greatness on European courts.

But even with these two reaching full potential, Lithuania can no longer be proud of such a number of excellent basketball players as it has, unless it produces more greats. Taking away of its main players led to a disappointing EuroBasket tournament hosted in 2011 and culminating in a loss to *FYR Macedonia*.

This would have never ever happened back in 2004, even without a few key players.

Lithuania just doesn’t boast that pool of talent anymore…

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Comments: 33
  1. Jimbolism
    13 years ago

    I think people just need to keep remembering the size of the nation, 3 million people. But I agree with most of this it is still an amazing achievement for so long.

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  2. Gabe
    13 years ago

    You fail to mention that they won bronze in 2010! Their first World Championship medal and tied for their best placement in any global tournament! I don’t see any demise.

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  3. Euro John
    13 years ago

    They were 3rd in world in 2010, with a worse roster and 5th in Europe, and would have been 6th except for a rigged game by the refs, with a better roster than they had in 2010, while playing at home.

    Gabe is incapable of grasping this very simple concept that past tournaments have no bearing on future tournaments.

    He is also incredibly incapable of grasping that EuroBasket is a much harder tournament than the Olympics, even though literally every player that has played in both has said so, he sticks to this crazy notion of a world tournament, somehow being harder than a tournament that has twice as many good teams.

    Yet he would claim Lithuania should have won EuroBasket 11 because they were at home and were 3rd in World Cup 2010, he would claim that a World Cup is harder than a EuroBasket because it is a world tournament.

    I have even seen this moron claim here numerous times that a EuroBasket is no harder a tournament than the Americas Tournament.

    Of course, when Joakim Noah said the level of EuroBasket was higher than the NBA playoffs, Gabe simply ignored it and pretended it never happened.

    But yet in all this, this site is graced with all of his expert basketball analysis on a seemingly endless basis. He is a total hypocrite. They already have the prelim rosters up at the London 2012 website and I bet that Gabe has not even looked at them, and that even if he did, he would simply be incapable of coming up with anything other than

    USA
    Spain
    Argentina

    and no other team has any chance to win a medal.

    Because he is just a troll that keeps repeating the same endless crap here over and over.

    Gabe, if you have not noticed any slippage in the level of Lithuania’s national team, you are an absolute undeniable idiot. You would be laughed out of any Lithuanian basketball forum with such a comment.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      lol Eurobasket harder than the Olympics??! Yeah cause a team like FYI Macedonia could get 4th place in the Olympics! I remember last Olympics the Eurobasket champion, Russia, could not even get out of the group stage! How could it be a harder tournament without the best team and the 3rd best team in the world??!! It’s easy to win a tournament with no US or Argentina in it. And tell me, if the Olympics is so much easier than Eurobasket than why has no European team been able to win the Olympics since the Soviet Union??!!!

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  4. Phileus
    13 years ago

    I can understand where Euro John is coming from. The worst teams in the Olympics are usually worse than the worst teams in Eurobasket. You probably wouldn’t see teams as weak as Angola, Australia, Iran, or even Yao-less China in Eurobasket.

    But Gabe’s also right; the best teams in the Olympics have almost always been better than the best teams in Eurobasket.

    And of course Eurobasket is much harder for players than the NBA Playoffs. So is March Madness. The longer the series are (e.g. best-of-seven instead of knockout), the less pressure it puts on players for each individual game 😛

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Really Phileus? You really think that teams like Georgia and Finland are better than Australia and Angola. Australia constantly beats European teams like Germany, Serbia, Russia and Lithuania in the Olympics and World Championships, teams much stronger than Georgia and Finland.

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  5. ZoranD
    13 years ago

    Eurobasket is by far a higher level tournament than Olympics. Anyone with the most BASIC international basket knowledge knows this.

    Gabe is always bragging about how Spain dominates and owns and destroys Europe and they have 2 European titles in their whole history.

    Gabe is just the typical NBA only fan. He knows nothing of basket other than NBA and Team USA games. But like most NBA only fans he is a world basket expert in his own mind.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      hahaha. That makes no sense. Let’s forget for a minute that 4th place in Eurobasket was Macedonia, a team whose best player was an American NBA reject. The top two teams of Eurobasket make the Olympics and if European teams are so great then the next top European three teams should make it through the qualifying tournament. So the top five European teams are in the Olympics plus teams like USA and Argentina that constantly beat up European teams yet Eurobasket is harder than the Olympics. lol That’s like saying that pool play is harder than the tournament part in competitions. Yes Eurobasket is so much harder with teams like Georgia and Finland!! Without the USA or Argentina, winning Eurobasket is like winning a silver medal.

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  6. Erik
    13 years ago

    Gabe you are a tool if you think the Olympics is at the same level as EuroBasket. You have 8-10 good teams at MOST at the Olympics and you have a good 20 at LEAST at EuroBasket.

    I am sorry but you must have rode the short bus to school.

    Either that or you are just a total prick that likes to come here and provoke people.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      20 good teams in EuroBasket? So teams like Bosnia, Poland and Ukraine are good teams that actually make the tournament harder? Teams like Tunisia and China would finish in the top 20 in Eurobasket. Great Britain which only got in the Olympics as a host country and will be lucky to win one game there was 15th in Eurobasket. How does having a bunch of tomato cans make a tournament harder? The Olympics not only have the best European teams but added to that the best teams from around the world. EuroBasket is a qualification tournament for the Olympics. How can a qualifying tournament be a higher level?

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      • G
        13 years ago

        Erik exaggerated a bit, but the overall point is right. In Olympics there are only 8 strong teams: usually 5 from Europe, US, Argentina & Brazil. In Eurobasket there are ~10 similarly strong teams and 5-6 more just slightly weaker… Of course there is no US, but that makes the competition more interesting.

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        • Gabe
          13 years ago

          I think you also have to include Australia as well. Yes they are not one of the top teams in the world but they are as strong or stronger that the 8th-10th strongest teams in Eurobasket. I would take Australia over Macedonia and Finland. In the past world championships Australia beat Serbia and Germany. Even the African/Asia champions are as good as the 11th-15th strongest teams in Eurobasket. The thing is people only see the Asia/African champions play the top teams of Europe (and they still sometimes win, both China and Angola have recently beaten Germany). If you match the 11th-15th “slightly weaker” European teams as G calls them, like Bulgaria, Georgia and Finland against China and Angola they would not be favorites.
          That being said this Olympics will give us an opportunity to see how a non top 10 European team does against the world’s top teams. Great Britain will be matched up in pool play against either Tunisia or China. Even with home court advantage they will have their hands full. I would even take China against them.

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          • Sam Raphael Chadwick
            13 years ago

            I am a little bia’s for Gb because I am english, but GB did beat China last summer, without Pops-Mensha Bonsu 64 – 56 and he he is usually their leading rebounder and 2nd leading scorer. http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/eid/6232/gid/11/grid/A/rid/8549/sid/6232/game.html

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  7. G
    13 years ago

    The article is right about the lack of many big achievements lately, but why single out Lithuania? The same “dark” periods happened in the past for Spain and are still happening for Serbia, Greece and many other good (or formerly good) teams. Do you assume those are worse? If not, then perhaps could write an article for each one too 🙂

    Although the density of top Lithuanian achievements is lower, no European (or non-US) team seems to have the same consistency over 2 decades, at least with regard to Olympics. If we qualify this year as well (for which there is a good chance), we’ll have 6 straight Olympic appearances and who knows maybe even 6 straight Final Four appearances 🙂 (though I acklowledge that this year it will be harder, but with our full roster, including Kleiza, Russia, France, Greece, Argentina, Brazil are all beatable).

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  8. Miguel
    13 years ago

    “20 good teams in EuroBasket? So teams like Bosnia, Poland and Ukraine are good teams that actually make the tournament harder? Teams like Tunisia and China would finish in the top 20 in Eurobasket. Great Britain which only got in the Olympics as a host country and will be lucky to win one game there was 15th in Eurobasket. How does having a bunch of tomato cans make a tournament harder? The Olympics not only have the best European teams but added to that the best teams from around the world. EuroBasket is a qualification tournament for the Olympics. How can a qualifying tournament be a higher level?”

    You clearly never watched a EuroBasket. The general overall level of play is higher than the general overall play at the Olympics. You are obviously talking about something without having even seen it. And on top of it, acting like others that have are idiots as well. Which shows badly on you.

    As far as I know, most players that have played in both tournaments have said EuroBasket is a tougher tournament. And your qualifying tournament argument has no valid point.

    The Olympics is a qualifying tournament for the World Cup. But from what I have seen of your posts here, you have always claimed the Olympics is a higher level than World Cup. Seems you just say whatever you can think of whether it is true or not. How can it be true then? Since the Olympics is a qualifying tournament for the World Cup.

    And how come the European football championship is considered a higher level than the World Cup by the majority? It’s also a qualifying tournament. You have some illogical analysis and just put your own biased paradigm and opinion into everything and claim it as fact.

    Teams like China and Australia regularly make the last 8 at the Olympics and would never even qualify to the Olympics if they played at EuroBasket. And anyone that says otherwise has a real lack of international basketball knowledge.

    There are awful teams also at Olympics like Angola/Tunisia/Iran and teams like this. Would not win a game at EuroBasket in years. Yet they are in the Olympics. Strange how the higher level tournament has them in it. They could never qualify through EuroBasket.

    So please don’t bring up that nonsense about it is a qualifying tournament so it must be worse. That is like a comedy argument.

    You claim USA and Argentina makes Olympics a higher level. Really? Argentina from 2011 if they are in EuroBasket will not even make the top 6 places to go the qualifying tournament. I can honestly say that they had about ZERO chance to finish in top 6 at last year’s EuroBasket.

    So why are you bringing them up? And why do you keep calling them “the third best team in the world”? I remember you and your bull here from before. When for 2 years Argentina was ranked as #1 in world rankings and never one time did you say they were best team in world.

    You always claimed that the rankings were meaningless and USA was #1 and that Argentina being ranked #1 meant nothing. The rankings were “meaningless” and are from “historical tournaments” and “do not reflect the current level of the teams” and are “meaningless”.

    Now, you claim the complete opposite and claim Argentina is third best team in the world due to the rankings. Even though anyone that saw them play last summer would know they could not even make top 6 at EuroBasket.

    Your argument is totally wrong and is just more nonsense from you as always.

    EuroBasket has teams like Serbia, Turkey, Slovenia which are among the best teams in world and don’t even qualify. Compare this to crap like China, Tunisia, and so forth.

    You are on a daily basis here bragging about how superior and “vastly superior” is how you put it that NBA players are.

    France with their team of NBA players never can win EuroBasket. Italy with their 3 NBA players is pretty much a WORSE team than those teams like Ukraine and Bosnia, and Poland are. You make fun of these teams, yet they are better than the Italian team led by 3 NBA starters.

    Bottom line is that you are just here to troll and you constantly prove it.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Yes teams like China and Australia regularly make the last 8 in the Olympics but over who? Who wasn’t able to make the last 8 in the Olympics? Was it weaker European teams like Ukraine, Bosnia and Poland? No! Last Olympics it was Germany (with Dirk) and Russia (the Eurobasket champions) who couldn’t reach the last 8. Let me repeat, in the past Olympics the Eurobasket champion Russia could not even reach the top 8 while Australia and China (with Yao) were able to and in the Olympics before that China and Puerto Rico were able to advance while the World Champion Serbia was not. If teams like China, Puerto Rico and Australia were able to advance over top European teams like Russia, Serbia and Germany imagine how they would destroy weaker European teams like Ukraine, Poland and Bosnia.

      And France with their team of NBA players won silver at Eurobasket while Spain with their team of NBA players won gold. In fact in the Eurobasket final, 9 of the 10 players with the most minutes and 8 of 9 players with the most points were NBA players.

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  9. Miguel
    13 years ago

    About Lithuanians, the main problem they have had is they have not been able to develop a point guard that can shoot in the last 10 years. They have just Jasikevicius and no other point guard that can shoot.

    Kalnietis is a very good player but cannot shoot and to teams just zone on them the whole time. It is the same reason why Spain got worse ever since Rubio started playing with them.

    But Lithuania never has developed another option. Just Kalnietis in all these years, and he struggles against the zone. With Jasikevicius in there, the opposite happens where he can shoot but cannot guard anyone. So teams just attack against him which is what happened at EuroBasket.

    Lithuania has 12-18 or so top level players all the time. They just can’t develop a good enough point guard. That has been their major problem.

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  10. Apollo
    13 years ago

    “Yes teams like China and Australia regularly make the last 8 in the Olympics but over who? Who wasn’t able to make the last 8 in the Olympics? Was it weaker European teams like Ukraine, Bosnia and Poland? No! Last Olympics it was Germany (with Dirk) and Russia (the Eurobasket champions) who couldn’t reach the last 8. Let me repeat, in the past Olympics the Eurobasket champion Russia could not even reach the top 8 while Australia and China (with Yao) were able to and in the Olympics before that China and Puerto Rico were able to advance while the World Champion Serbia was not. If teams like China, Puerto Rico and Australia were able to advance over top European teams like Russia, Serbia and Germany imagine how they would destroy weaker European teams like Ukraine, Poland and Bosnia.

    And France with their team of NBA players won silver at Eurobasket while Spain with their team of NBA players won gold. In fact in the Eurobasket final, 9 of the 10 players with the most minutes and 8 of 9 players with the most points were NBA players.”

    This guy is retarded. He just ruins this site.

    He actually is claiming that Germany with Dirk is a “good European team”. This guy would be a laughing stock anywhere in Europe, especially in Germany. He is an insufferable idiot that is a curse on this site.

    If you think Germany with Dirk is a “good European team” then I apologize, you are not a troll. You are just retarded.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      No you are the retarded one Apollo. Did I say Germany with Dirk is one of the best European teams? No. What I said is that they are a good European team. Good as in better than Ukraine, Poland and Bosnia. Good as being a top 10 European team. Let’s look at the results of Germany with Dirk:
      4th in 2001 Eurobasket
      Bronze at the 2002 World Championships
      9th in 2003 Eurobasket
      Silver in 2005 Eurobasket
      8th in 2006 World Championship
      5th in 2007 Eurobasket
      And this past Eurobasket they were 9th
      So Germany with Dirk has placed in the top 9 every time not to mention 4th, 5th and a silver in Eurobasket and a bronze in a world championship.
      Yet I am retarded and a troll for saying there are a good European team?
      So you have just proved that it is you who are retarded and a troll Apollo.

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  11. Niko
    13 years ago

    Gabe: “Good as being a top 10 European team.”

    Where in world does this guy come up with this stuff?

    Germany with Dirk is top 10 European team? REALLY? Seriously?

    Spain

    Greece

    Lithuania

    Turkey

    Serbia

    Russia

    France

    Slovenia

    Croatia

    FYRO Macedonia

    All are clearly better than Germany with Dirk and I think full Great Britain also.

    Dirk led German team is no way in hell in top 10 best of European teams.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      That’s funny Niko I guess you didn’t read the rest of my comment because every single Eurobasket competition Germany and Dirk have been in they placed in the top 9 so that means at worst they are the top 9 and last summer they did better than Croatia, Turkey and Great Brtiian. They have also won a silver medal in Eurobasket, something Slovenia, Croatia, Great Britain and Macedonia never have done. Germany with Dirk has placed 4th, 9th, 2nd, 5th and 9th in Eurobasket and you are retarded enough to say they are no way in hell a top 10 European team. If you average how Germany with Dirk has done in Eurobasket they would be the 6th best team in Europe. FIBA, counting competitions since 2002, ranks Germany as the 9th best European team and that is with counting competitions Germany was in without Dirk.
      Again, you try with all your might to put down anything American or NBA related. Because Germany has Dirk, an NBA superstar as really their only player, you try to belittle his accomplishments when he has made Germany a top 10 team in every competition he has been in, won a silver in Eurobasket and a bronze in a world championship (when teams like like France, Slovenia, Great Britain and Macedonia have never even reached the semis in a world championship) So just shut up, you sound stupid.

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  12. Erik
    13 years ago

    Gabe is such an asshole. Just ban him already. My god.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      No in fact I am needed as one of the few voices of reason and truth on this site. I am needed when people claim that Germany with Dirk is not a top 10 European team to show that in reality Germany with Dirk has finished in the top 9 in every European competition they have been in, not to mention 5th, 4th and 2nd place Eurobasket finishes. There’s a reason Germany with Dirk was in the last Olympics, a feat Slovenia, Turkey and Macedonia have never been able to achieve (and Great Britain has only because they are hosts). Germany made the 2008 Olympics when Germany beat Puerto Rico in the last match of the qualifying tournament with Dirk scoring 32 points. Puerto Rico in that tournament is something Slovenia was unable to do.
      Sometimes the truth is hard. Sorry.

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  13. MikeZ
    13 years ago

    Ok this has to be said here ————– Gabe are you really so stupid that you can’t grasp that tournament placings are not a ranking of the best teams? Are you REALLY THAT STUPID?

    REALLYYY???

    Do you have any clue how a tournament works? Have you ever seen a tournament?

    Do you not realize that a team can lose one game and finish in 8th place? Do you not realize that the clear second best team can often finish no higher than third and on and on?

    If you really can’t see how stupid your argument is then there truly is something wrong with you. There. It needed to be said since you are really acting like a huge know it all here but you are also just posting things that are stupid and make no sense.

    No one like an arrogant know it all that is actually ignorant.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Yes I know tournaments are not perfect but they are the best and really only way to judge how good teams are. For example, if every single time a team plays in a tournament it is a top 9 finisher you can’t claim it is “no way in hell a top ten team” that just holds no logic.

      But just to humor you:

      Okay so in last Eurobasket Germany was 4-4. Beating Israel, Latvia, Italy and TURKEY and losing only to top European teams Spain, France, Serbia and Lithuania.

      In Eurobasket 07 Germany was 5-4. Beating the Czech Republic, TURKEY (again), Italy, SLOVENIA and CROATIA and losing to Lithuania, France, Slovenia (who they later beat in the classification round), and were eliminated by Spain.

      In Eurobasket 05 Germany was 5-2! Beating Ukraine, RUSSIA, eliminating TURKEY (three straight victories against Turkey now), and eliminated SLOVENIA (2-1 against them) and then ELIMINATING SPAIN! Losing only to Italy and Greece.

      And you are telling me this is not a top 10 European team? Bullshit!

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  14. MikeZ
    13 years ago

    Nikos listed the teams that are better than Germany. DEAL WITH IT.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      That’s the difference. Nikos listed teams he wish were better than Germany. I listed reasons (how Germany actually did in tournaments against these teams) that show that Germany (with Dirk) is a least better than Slovenia, Macedonia and Croatia.

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  15. Erik
    13 years ago

    Better than Slovenia?

    How much crack do smoke in a day Gabe?

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      haha I don’t need to smoke crack to know that Germany with Dirk is 2-1 against Slovenia, losing to them in pool play yet beating them in the elimination round and classification game. Germany with Dirk also was one of the top seven European teams to make the 2008 Olympics by beating Puerto Rico in the final play-in game. The same Puerto Rican team that eliminated Slovenia by beating them in the quarter finals of the qualifying tournament.

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  16. kayo
    13 years ago

    If u think Gabe is retarded then I fibba ranking is retarded as well cuz they have Germany 14th in the world and 9th for euro country’s. Also for all u dudes who are dissing China, Angola, Australia and Iran, You should realize they are all rank in the top 20 in fibba world ranking. That right there proves that there arent 20 euro teams better then the rest of the world. Also all I read is you guys saying who is better but dont back it up with any facts, so Im with Gabe at least he backs up his claim and also fibba can confirm what he states. Its only logical that bigger tournaments with all countrys around the world produces better competitions. Anyways here is the link to fibba ranking, sorry but Ill bet on an organization that focuses on these rankings any day then someone just typing on a keyboard and expecting me to believe them with out nothing to substantiate their claim. http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/even/rank/p/openNodeIDs/943/selNodeID/943/rankMen.html

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    • kayo
      13 years ago

      Although I do agree that qualifying out of the euro championship is probably the hardest to do out of all the regions but still their is still 3 slots left for the next top 3 teams in Europe and if they are as good as you think they are they should have no problem grabbing it but it seems each Olympics it don’t always goes as plan.

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  17. Miguel
    13 years ago

    I think anyone that knows anything about basketball should stay away from this site. Because it is ruined with comments like the ones from kayo.

    Anyone that thinks China. Angola, Iran are better than European teams teams needs their head examined.

    As for Germany being better than Slovenia……get back to me when Germany beats Spain in one game, takes them to overtime in another, etc.

    PLEASE…………..

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    • Aleksandar Zoran:
      13 years ago

      Miguel China. Angola, Iran are better than Ireland, Albania, Luxembourg, Slovakia, etc. so you should really think twice before posting your stupidity here so you don’t get embarrassed again

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