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Official BallinEurope Euroleague Power Rankings: October update

October 6, 2010

Got the vitriol brewing? All right, then, with BallinEurope now caught up on some preseason basketball viewing, it’s time for another edition of BiE’s Official Euroleague Power Rankings. Just one quick note for irritated fans (we’re looking at you, Olympiacos, Žalgiris and Lietuvos Rytas backers): Remember that these rankings are first totally subjective and secondly are based on *trending*, not necessarily where BiE believes the teams will finish when all’s said and done. Excelsior!

1. (↔) FC Barcelona – Already looking like the dominant force they were through May last year, Barça is 7-1 in exhibition games with a sole loss to who else but Gran Canaria 2014, getting revenge by smoking the giant killers by 25 in their ACB season opener. Ah well, at least Blaugrana haters can get some consolation when the Lakers come to town on Thursday. Unless, of course, they also hate L.A…

2. (↔) CSKA Moscow got a double dose of great news last Sunday by beating Zalgiris 79-73 to win the Alexander Gomelsky Cup. Even better was the awesomeness turned in by Matjaz Smodis, who appears to have recovered from nagging injuries with a 21-point, eight-rebound, four-assist performance. A Euroleague Final Four team *plus* a healthy Smodis? Scary.

3. (↑) Montepaschi Siena – What’s in the water in Siena? MPS has racked up eight straight victories (albeit quite a few against Italian creampuffs) and, despite having problems handing Cajasol Sevilla in Florence, has demonstrated this preseason that they’re once again a scoring machine against Euroleague squads with 83 and 95 against Lietuvos Rytas and hometown Asseco Prokom on consecutive days in the Gdynia Tournament.

4. (↔) Panathinaikos looked bad against Žalgiris after disposing of three relative cupcakes (Uzice, Radniki, FMP Zeleznik) by an average of 35 points this preseason, but redeemed themselves with the win against still-coalescing Partizan in the Gomelsky Cup.

5. (↑) Olympiacos – Okay, based on the outcry maybe BiE was a little harsh on the new-look Reds in the first power rankings. They’ve performed competently against the likes of Fenerbahçe and Efes Pilsen this offseason and they look great on paper – but as we say, the games aren’t played on paper. BiE remains skeptical, but few other Euroleague teams have really impressed thus far.

6. (↓) Case in point: Caja Laboral Baskonia, who had trouble with Gran Canaria and was stunned by Valencia in the Spanish Super Cup; the 23-point ACB win over CB Granada revealed little. We should know more after the Unicaja game on Saturday. Three random thoughts on the defending ACB champs: If you squint, you can imagine the great team that could emerge before 2010-11 is over; much – very much – will depend on Marcelhino Huertas and the pick-and-roll; and forget Barça-Lakers, who wouldn’t love to see Baskonia take out the Memphis Grizzlies next Thursday?

7. (↔) Real Madrid – Since the last edition of BiE Power Rankings, at which point the only significant competition saw Madrid managing to look very, very bad against old bugaboo FC Barcelona in the Spanish Super Cup, Ettore Messina’s boys have handled Asefa Estudiantes in the ACB opener despite a combined 5-of-18 performance from starters D’Or Fischer and Sergio Llull – that’s a good thing. Probably. Maybe.

8. (↓) Maccabi Tel Aviv – Call it teething troubles: After handling Asseco Prokom in the Wroclaw Tourney, Maccabi’s new roster was well contained on offense against CSKA Moscow and subsequently could not contain Spartak St. Petersburg in the Kondrashin-Belov Tourney in late September. They appear to have taken care of business against Pepsi Caserta last night, however, which might give this very talented roster a lift.

9. (↓) Partizan Belgrade – The inevitable roster changes aren’t being assimilated quite as quickly into the Partizan gameplan without coach Dusko, it seems: The Black-and-Whites are just 4-3 in the preseason and are clearly still finding their way outside of Pionir, as evidenced by losses to CSKA Moscow and Panathinaikos in the Gomelsky Tournament.

10. (↑) Efes Pilsen – After rolling over in the Lugano Bormio tournament in early September, the Brew Crew went on to whip off five straight wins (including two to Spartak St. Petersburg) before losing to CSKA, whom it seems no one can beat right now. Efes took out Asseco Prokom in back-to-back matches in Turkey and kept pace with Olympiacos last Sunday. All in all, not a bad showing for a much-changed roster.

11. (↑) Unicaja Malaga – As though there weren’t enough Spanish powerhouses in the Euroleague, Unicaja may finally return to greatness (or at least the Final 16 round) – if their play against basically every other mid-level ACB team is any indication. In the past three weeks, Unicaja has mostly easily handled Valencia, Asefa Estudiantes, CB Granada, and Cajasol; they squeaked past CAI Zaragoza in their away ACB opener as well. The utter 101-62 destruction of Crvena Zvezda for the Pollinica Trophy was quite impressive in showing that Unicaja deserves to play with the big boys in 2010-11.

12. (↔) Power Electronics Valencia qualified for Euroleague play by winning the 2010 Eurocup and they’re starting to look it a bit with losses to Real Madrid, Unicaja, FC Barcelona and BC Khimki in which the retooled Electronics were clearly outmatched. On the other hand, Valencia posted a swell win against Baskonia in the Spanish Super Cup – plus the show put on by Nando de Colo and Rafa Martinez against CB Granada last weekend is worth some bonus points. Unfortunately, realism will set in before long as these guys now appear to be playing in the league’s toughest group.

13. (↑) AJ Milano – Hey, they looked good in a losing effort against the Knicks; think they’ll be good for 113 points per Euroleague game…?

14. (↑) Žalgiris Kaunas – See Lietuvos Rytas at no. 17.

15. (↓) BiE’s docking Fenerbahçe Ülker a few spaces simply for the offseason inactivity. The sole significant result put in by the defending TBL champs thus far? A loss to Olympiacos. Next Wednesday will see the President’s Cup game go down, with Fenerbahçe meeting traditional rivals Efes Pilsen: Finally, we’ll get to see what exciting key additions like Darjus Lavrinovic, Engin Atsur and Marko Tomas can do for this club.

16. (↓) Say this for Asseco Prokom: They should be ready for this season, having taken on Lietuvos Rytas, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Efes Pilsen, and Union Olimpija. Unfortunately, with the noted exception of L. Rytas, Prokom lost most of those preseason games handily. BiE thinks Poland will not be home to the EL Cinderella story of 2010-11.

17. (↓) Lietuvos Rytas – Almost as reviled as BiE’s take on Olympiacos in the last power rankings were the marks given the two Lithuanian entries in the Euroleague, so you guys explain these teams to me. Žalgiris took losses to Le Mans Sarthe, Unics Kazan and Baskonia, then beat Cholet Basket and Panathinaikos, then succumbed to CSKA Moscow.

Meanwhile, Lietuvos Rytas completed their roster and started training for 2010-11 earlier than probably any team on the planet and have lost to everybody – well, okay, “just” Asseco Prokom twice, Montepaschi Siena and Tartu Rock (!), but it seems like everybody – since. What gives? The prevailing opinion is that Žalgiris will own the LKL this season and both of these teams could advance to the next round of EL play as no. 4 seeds, but shouldn’t Lithuanian fans be concerned about this season?

18. (↑) Belated congratulations from BiE to Cholet Basket, who beat Entente Orleanaise 85-79 in overtime to take the French Super Cup. Top performers for the 2010 Pro A champs were Samuel Mejia with a 17/6/6 showing, Vule Avdalovic with 18 points and Antywane Robinson with eight rebounds.

19. (↓) Without much to go on, BiE will reserve wider judgment on Virtus Roma until this weekend’s Sassari Tournament.

20. (↓) Cibona Zagreb – Let’s see, this offseason, they’ve lost to KK Cedevita, lost to Buducnost, barely beat Bosna … and they’ve been essentially out of sight since September 16th – anybody know anything?

21. (↓) In September/October, Union Olimpija has lost twice to Alba Berlin (albeit on the Germans’ home court), has been crushed by CSKA Moscow, and even fell to Venoli Cremona. Lump on top of this the official complaints filed by Vlado Ilievski and Sašo Ožbolt vis-à-vis non-payment and FIBA’s recent penalties due to same, and Olimpija has had one hellish offseason. On the plus side, they did win the Lecce Tournament…

22. (↓) Brose Baskets Bamberg has yet to play outside Germany this offseason; how much higher could they be ranked?

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Comments: 14
  1. Joker
    12 years ago

    Zalgiris plays without key players, and so they lost.

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    • Os
      12 years ago

      @ Joker: Do you happen to know if they’re bringing the full team against CSKA tonight in the VLB United League game…?

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  2. Shilas
    12 years ago

    According to Zalgiris fans the team never looses.

    Its always “Zalgiris players where not healthy”, “referees has made mistakes”, “some body paid to referees to make mistakes intentionally”, “the newspaper (with publication of without) has forced referees to call faults to Zalgiris players” and so on and etc.

    The newest explain is that “president of Zalgiris Romanov has “sold the game” i.e. took the money and somehow made Zalgiris to loose”.

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  3. Shilas
    12 years ago

    About the ranking, this one looks more reasonable, last time you had to be on drugs or alcohol when made the ranking.

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  4. Manager
    12 years ago

    Zalgiris is too low.

    Partizan is too high.

    Rytas will go even lower after they get trashed by CSKA today.

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  5. dreamer
    12 years ago

    Žalgiris had first pre-season games without 5 Lithuanian national team members (Kalnietis, Pocius, Jankunas, Klimavicius & Delininkaitis) & without Marcus Brown as well. Nobody expected anything from them back then.

    In the Gomelsky Cup, team gathered for the first time and it was first game for Marcus Brown this season. Also, Kalnietis was sick so he played only against CSKA. Considering that there was no time for full-roster practices, losing by 6 points in Moscow is a good result.

    So keeping all those consideration in mind, it is obvious that Zalgiris fans expect more from their team this season than ever before since 03-04 Euroleague season when Sabonis was playing & team almost got into Final 4 (remember that fantastic Sharp’s triple)..

    Some fans are a little bit sceptical about coach Aco Petrovic and, sure, some concern is about Romanov himself. However, much lower than last season when he fired coach Maskoliunas in the middle of LKL finals.

    To conclude, getting into Top-8 this season seems realistic for Zalgiris. 🙂 We will see how it goes though.

    Rytas is having some serious problems and it seems that coach Anzulovic is unable to handle the team’s chemistry. Strange why Kurtinaitis was sacked after two successful seasons there. Well, hopefully they can sort the things out and at least advance into Top-16 which would a really good result for them.

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  6. Joker
    12 years ago

    BC Rytas-Cska.61-80….:D

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  7. MvB
    12 years ago

    Montepaschi too high , Partizan too high , Milano too high
    Cibona too low ,Fenerbahce too low

    Panathinaikos overrated

    you ‘ re ignorant as usual

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  8. Teo
    12 years ago

    lookin’ much better, I have to say… although we all know that teams like PAO and OLY will end up being among the top-6 anyway towards the end barring any freakish accidents, but of course they have to prove it first… considering the preseason I like those rankings.
    But you shouldn’t rate OLY higher just because we’re nagging, but because they have a very packed team that maybe lacks a little nba star power, but still has many of the best players the euroleague has to give. And I’ll never bet against the combination of Teodosic and Coach (with a capital C please).

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  9. pipo
    12 years ago

    I am an Olympiakos Fan – btw, guys I know it’s a pretty long word for non-Greeks, but please don’t call us Oly. Try OSFP or Thrylos for short.

    I am not sure about us being a true contender this year. It’s tricky, because with Kleiza and Childress we got through the easy games like a hurricane, but as countless people have said, both of them (especially Kleiza) completely disappeared in the big matches. So I think we’ll have a more difficult time getting to the final 8, but with a more mature Teodosic, Spanoulis wanting to prove that he didn’t deserve to be in Diamantidis’ shadow (that’s why he came anyway), and Papaloukas wanting to exit with a bang, I see us ruling the periphery. The absence of a truly great PF bothers me – I don’t know much about Nielsen and don’t want to judge, but let’s say I’m not optimistic. Papanikolaou is, for me, alongside Pappas (plays at Bilbao) the best two young players of their generation, trashing pretty much everyone that stood in their way in youth tournaments, and with Ivkovic backing him as much as he has, I think we’re looking at the next Rudy Fernandez of European Basketball.

    Another issue is the frontline. Now that Pekovic has gone, I don’t think there’s any serious doubt that Bourousis is the best offensive center in Europe, and Glyniadakis is an awesome defender. Nesterovic is a big question mark, but he can’t possibly be slower than Vujcic. All in all, Sofo’s departure has made the front line less dominant, but much more reliable, and that is why Ivkovic didn’t want him, as he dislikes flaky players. Only time will show if I’m right.

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  10. Zoran
    12 years ago

    Olympiakos is so criminally underrated in these rankings. The first rankings and these rankings as well. It has to be a joke. They have the greatest group of guards of any team in Euroleague history, great depth at center, probably the most athletic wings in the league, and the best European coach of all times. How in the hell can this be considered the 5th best team in the Euroleague and 10th best in the first rankings?

    (Guard rotation by where they defend)

    Spanoulis/Lucas/Halperin
    Teodosic/Papaloukas/Katsivellis
    Pelekanos/Keselj/Papanikolaou
    Nielsen/Mavrokefalidis/Vasilopoulos
    Bourousis/Nesterovich/Glyniadakis

    The club says that Vasilopoulos’ back surgery was a success and he will be back to 100% the old player he was a couple years ago. So when the team gets him and Pelekanos back healthy they go 3 deep at every position. That team is vastly better than their team of the last 2 years was and they have a much better coach now.

    I am a PAO fan and I can say 100% that PAO does not stand a chance against Olympiakos this year. I can’t see any logical or rational reason why you could possibly think that PAO and Siena have better teams than Olympiakos this year.

    You are really overrating the rosters of PAO and Siena. PAO for example has its weakest roster since the 2003-04 season. And Siena is simply not comparable to Olympiakos at all.

    Sure, Siena has some top world class players like Zisis, McCalebb, Kaukenas, Lavrinovic, but after that they lack some quality. Guys like Stonerook, Aradori, Rakovic, Hairston, Moss, etc. are good players but not top class like the payers Olympiakos is loaded with.

    PAO has some real big weaknesses in their roster right now. Calathes and Tepic as their bench guards? That’s not going to cut it at all. Maric is a far cry from Pekovic and Sato, although a good player in his own way is no Spanoulis and never will be. Unless guys like Perperoglou, Tsartsaris, Kaimakoglou have huge years PAO does not have a team that is in the same class as Olympiakos this year. Like I said, it’s about the weakest PAO team in the last 6 years IMO.

    I also have to argue with the placement of Partizan in these rankings. Sorry, but they are not that good. If they make it out of the group stage it would be a huge success for them. Look at their potential starting five, it looks really good, assuming Vesely can handle moving to the four for this to work, but where is their point guard? I know some guys like Vujanic and Blakney are available and maybe they will sign a guy that gets cut from NBA training camp, but that team isn’t going anywhere without a good point guard.

    SG Bogdanavic
    SF Kecman
    PF Vesely
    C Jawai

    Granted, if they add a top level point guard that team could be really good, but still Jawai will be a first time player in Europe, and Vesely and Bogdanovic are still developing players. Plus, they don’t have Vujosevic coaching them anymore. Of course they have a huge home court advantage which always helps, but you have to be serious. You claim this is a work in progress current ranking. Well then how is Partizan rated that high? They won’t do anything at all without adding a very good point guard.

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  11. Zoran
    12 years ago

    Also, Barca beat Gran Canaria by 25 and you say here that they lost to them by 25. The score was Barca 83 – Gran Canaria 58.

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  12. anaiptol
    12 years ago

    Montepashi, Partizan, Valencia, AJ(the game against Knicks was a joke. a show-nothing to do with display of acctual strenght) – overrated

    Also switching Fenerbache and Ulker places would do it more justice (even though, I cant believe you think there’s such a huge gap between them-10th and 15th?)

    Prokom will prove you wrong, I guarantee that.

    And about Zalgiris. Eh, what the hell, have it your way. I have some serious concerns about the coach, but still…If we make it out of the tough (esspecialy if Khimki is the qualifier) group- we just might give a realistic shot at the top 8.

    All in all, I must agree to someone, who said, that you’re ignorant 🙂 sorry, no offence, i just think so.

    Cheers. Great site by the way, I enjoy reading it.

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  13. anaiptol
    12 years ago

    This is done very roughly, without a lot of preparation, but to me-it makes more sence.

    1. Regal FC Barcelona
    2. CSKA
    3. Olympiacos
    4. Panathinaikos
    5. Caja Laboral
    6. Maccabi
    7. Real Madrid
    8. Montepashi
    9. Khimki
    10. Zalgiris
    11. Fenerbache Ulker
    12. Unicaja
    13. Efes Pilsen
    14. Power Electronics
    15. Armani Jeans
    16. Partizan
    17. Asseco Prokom
    18. Lottomatica
    19. Lietuvos Rytas
    20. Olimpija
    21. Cibona
    22,23,24 – I know nothing about Cholet, Spirou and Brose Basket.

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