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A week in highlights: Spanish block party, mighty Milos, Utah rap and some dude dunking in L.A.

February 20, 2011

Yes, readers, it’s Sunday. Or, as BallinEurope likes to think of it, “YouTube Trawlday.” (As though BiE avoids the ‘Tube on the other six days. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre.)

Whatever you want to call it, start your day with these 10 video clips starring Nando De Colo, Mirza Begic, Mehmet Okur, Milos Teodosic, Ibrahim Jaaber, Bojan Bogdanović and, you know, what’s his name from the Los Angeles Clippers. Enjoy!

• The headline from Spain? How about “PE Valencia stuns Real Madrid as De Colo scores his team’s last 10 points”?

Highlights from Valencia’s 59-52 victory follow; check out the serious block party these guys attended: There’s ubiquitous Mirza Begic’s killer block of Robertas Javtokas at about 0:32, followed by Victor Claver’s repayment of the favor to crush a Begic shot … then James Augustine registers a nasty “doble tapon” on Felipe Reyes … then D’Or Fischer gets some from Rafa Martinez … et cetera.

• In tribute to his bagging of the FIBA 2010 European Player of the Year award over Pau Gasol, here’s a troika of YouTube clips dedicated to pure Milos Teodosic.

• Just because: A nice compilation of Ibrahim Jaaber highlights.

• And here’s a slice of the action from Radnički’s 89-79 Adriatic League win over (insert your own synonym for “disappointing” here) Cibona Zagreb last night.

• The win came despite a 28-point on 9-of-15 shooting, six-rebound, two-assist performance from Bojan Bogdanović, BiE’s penciled-in choice for European Player of the Year for 2011 and … what’s that? Bogdanović highlights? Sure!

• Who says nothing awesome can come out of Utah? Here’s a wacky rap by freestyle rapper(s) Yung God on the Beehive State’s two favorite foreigners, Mehmet Okur and Andrei Kirilenko. Lyrics definitely NSFW, as they say.

• Okay, okay, BiE knows everybody just wants to see this one again, so here you have it from a few different angles and complete with Sir Charles’ verbal tomfoolery.

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Comments: 138
  1. mcmomce
    14 years ago

    Blake should ask Marko Milič how to dunk over the car …

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  2. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Really? Teodosic over Gasol? Teodosic has never led Serbia to a medal in a global competition and even the in regional EuroBasket has not won gold. He doesn’t play in the top league in the world and even in Euroleague has not won a championship. Gasol just won a championship again in the best league and the world. And just like Lebron James who left the Cavs and now the Cavs are the worst team in the league, when Gasol didn’t play for Spain they couldn’t even make the semifinals while with him they were in the finals the past four times! Gasol got more expert votes it’s just that Teodosic got more fan votes, maybe because some fans are upset he didn’t play in the WC this year.

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  3. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    Gabe what are you talking about ???? ofcourse that teodosic deserved award gasol had only 8 expert votes more then teodosic gasol : 203 teodosic : 195 but fan voting : gasol 1600 teodosic 3000 so shut up!!!! yeah gasol is great player he won NBA ,he is great ,great player so is teodosic ,there is not more clutch players in the whole world,have you ever seen gasol make a game wining shot ???? and you must look at the fact that gasol is playing with best player in the worl in his team ( kobe ) and that kobe finishes all lakers games with wining shots ( i mean close games ) and i have never seen gasol hit a game wining shot for lakers,or even spain… but teodosic hit so many in his carees that i cant remeber all… against spain in WC 2010 ,eurobasket 2009 he hit about 5 or 6 critical 3 -pointers ,for olypiacos in euroleague …. and look like this in 2010 Gasol : NBA championship ,great season Teodosic : euroleague MVP,greek cup,MVP of greek cup ,best point guard at WC in turkey 2010 ,so i would say he deserved award …

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  4. radallo
    14 years ago

    C’mon Mr Blake …I’d expected something more or something new from you…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7Y5D-HJR0&feature=related

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  5. Ken
    14 years ago

    Gabe is a tool. It is NBA fans like him that give all NBA fans in the world a bad name. Gasol did not even play at the World Championship. No way in hell does Gasol deserve that award.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Yeah I’m a tool Ken. All I’m saying is Teodosic has never won anything on the adult level and those Euroleague MVP’s have to be taken with a grain of salt. I mean Anthony Parker was a 2X All-Euroleague MVP and a 3X Euroleague champion and he is just a role player in the NBA at best. So Teodosic is not playing in the top league in the world and in the global competition of the World Championship he could not even get his team to medal! And he’s the best European player?

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  6. Ivanovic
    14 years ago

    Gabe, I have been reading your comments here for a long time and I am sick of your BS – get a freaking clue please. Anthony Parker was already washed up by the time he went to the NBA. Also, he has still been a starter for 5 years in a row in the NBA long after being washed up. WAY PAST HIS PRIME.

    Also, the Euroleague is like 5 times better than it was then. Amazing that you can’t even grasp that the Euroleague is stronger than it was when Parker played. You really should just shut up about the Euroleague if you are going to continue to be so damn ignorant about it.. If Anthony Parker played in the Euroleague now he would be nothing but a role player as you call it JUST LIKE HE IS IN THE NBA. You are living in a freaking fantasy land of make believe if you think he would be anything more than that in the Euroleague now. He would be no different than Marcus Brown, Trajan Langdon, Terrell McIntyre or any other totally washed up American player is in the Euroleague now.

    Hell in that time that Parker played in Europe Maccabi had the highest budget in Europe at about $10 million dollars (€7.3 million euros). News flash genius, since that time there has been tremendous investment and development in European club basketball. If you are freaking going to compare the Euroleague now to then that means from now on you better damn well compare the NBA from 1975 to the Euroleague now when you make your little xenophobic “comparisons”. Because that is how out of it you are. You live in this fantasy make believe world where everything is in the past in Europe. Only in America does the world change or evolve according to ignorant morons like you. In Europe nothing ever changes and the Euroleague is still exactly the same as then according to idiots like you.

    Now there are 21 teams in Europe with a budget of at least $10 million. Do you understand that, or is basic reasoning and logic beyond your mental capacity? Are you so mentally handicapped by your xenophobia and patriotic fascism that you can’t even accept basic facts and present reality?

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  7. Ivanovic
    14 years ago

    Right now teams in Europe have budgets like this (in US dollars so that you can grasp it – since you seem incapable of grasping that euros are worth more than dollars):

    1. Barca – $45 million
    2. CSKA – $45 million
    3. Olympiacos – $44 million
    4. Panathinaikos – $35 million
    5. Efes – $30 million
    6. Fenerbahce – $30 million
    7. Real Madrid – $29 million
    8. Maccabi Tel Aviv – $25 million
    9. Malaga – $23 million
    10. Siena – $22 million
    11. Baskonia – $21 million
    12. Khimki – $21 million
    13. Valencia -$14 million
    14. Roma – $14 million
    15. Milano – $14 million (set at $21 million for next season)
    16. UNICS – $14 million
    17. Bayern – $14 million (starting next season when they make the first division)
    18. Zalgiris – $11 million
    19. Prokom – $11 million
    20. ALBA – $11 million
    21. Bilbao – $10 million

    And it’s not like those are high point budgets either. Real’s budget last year was €30 million euros ($41 million with the current exchange rate). CSKA had a budget of $60 million during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons. Olympiacos had a budget of €43 million euros during the 2008-09 season ($59 million with the current exchange rate) and a budget of €38 million euros during the 2009-10 season ($52 million with the current exchange rate).

    And yet, here you are Gabe, trying to claim that a Euroleague MVP now, when European clubs have budgets like the ones above – is somehow the same as a Euroleague MVP when the highest budget in Europe was $10 million when Parker won it? Are you out of your freaking mind?

    In that time that Parker was Euroleague MVP, CSKA had a budget of like $7-$8 million. Compared with $45-$60 million in recent years. Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had budgets in the €2-€3 million euros range then (about $3-$4 million dollars with today’s exchange rates)………

    Those budgets of the Greek clubs then is about equal to the budgets that Greek clubs like Panellinios and Aris have now. Can you freaking grasp that? Teams like Aris (9-9 in Greek League) and Panellinios (6-12 in Greek League) have the budgets today of what Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had then.

    When Anthony Parker was winning the Euroleague MVP, teams like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos (giants of Euroleague even then) were on the level basketball-wise then, as clubs like Aris and Panellinios are now. In today’s time, they would be mediocre Greek League clubs. Back then they were “elite” Euroleague clubs.

    And yet you are freaking trying to argue that Anthony Parker playing in Europe back then is somehow the same as playing in Europe now. That when Parker’s team, Maccabi, had the highest budget in Europe then at $10 million, that European club basketball is the same now as it was then, when now 21 European clubs have budgets at least that high and several clubs have budgets of 4-6 times that from year to year?

    Damn Gabe, you are a freaking ignorant moron when it comes to European club basketball. STFU if you refuse to EVER post anything factually based about European basketball here. Your comments are just pure haterade against anything related to European basketball, and beyond that, your comments are wrong, invalid, incorrect and totally delusional. You definitely come across as a patriotic xenophobe.

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  8. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Man Ivanovic you’re acting as if Parker was winning these MVP’s 20 years ago. The last one he won was in 2006, 5 years ago! And you’re saying when he came to the NBA he was already washed up!? He went to the NBA immediately after winning his 2nd consecutive Euroleague MVP!
    5 years is not so long ago. Team USA has not lost a single game in the past 5 years.
    But if you want to be more modern than 5 years I’ll give you Linas Kleiza. Alphonso Ford Trophy winner and First Team All-Euroleague last year. In the NBA this year he was a role player coming off the bench on a bad team until he got hurt.
    I’m just saying I think the European Player of the Year Award should go to someone who is an all-star and a champion in the best league in the world. I mean what’s next? Is the European Player of the Year Award going to go to the MVP of the NBL or CBA if he is European?

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  9. Ivanovic
    14 years ago

    I’m done reading this blog. Xenophobic morons like Gabe just ruin it. The amount of endless patriotic bullshit from Americans about the NBA is just ridiculous.

    This idiot Gabe has never even seen a Euroleague game in his entire life.

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  10. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Whatever Ivanovic…Call me all the insults you want. Idiot ? Moron? Just because I’m stating the obvious fact that the NBA is the top league.
    When you talk about xenophobic and patriotic Americans I think of Sarah Palin and you my friend remind of Palin. Sprewing insults and making up facts.
    The fact is I caught you in a blatant lie claiming Anthony Parker came to the NBA when he was washed up, when the FACT is he came to the NBA immediately after winning his 2nd consecutive Euroleague MVP!
    The reason you are getting upset is because all I post are facts and you can’t argue with facts. You can’t go back and point out one fact I wrote that is incorrect.
    The truth hurts sometimes bigboy.

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  11. Andrea
    14 years ago

    Well said, Gabe. I guess some people are bothered when someone tells them the things you are posting. And when they get proved wrong they resort to insults.

    And for the record, I’m Italian, so I don’t want to hear guys like Ivanovic saying this is patriotic bullshit from another American.

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  12. Michael
    14 years ago

    Gabe should not even be allowed to post here. He is only here to bash the Euroleague and that is all he does. He obviously knows nothing about the Euroleague either. Oh, and Anthony Parker would not do jack squat in the Euroleague now.

    He would average less minutes and less points than he does in the NBA. I watch lots of NBA and Euroleague and Euroleague has way better defense and team play and basically is MUCH better than the NBA. The NBA is a freaking joke.

    Give me NCAA, World Championship, EuroBasket, and especially Euroleague over the NBA any time and EVERY time. The NBA is nothing but a big entertainment show. It’s barely even basketball anymore.

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  13. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Anthony Parker left Euroleague five years ago as the 2x reigning MVP of the league. So now are you saying that in the past five years Euroleague has gotten that much better or Anthony Parker has gotten that much worse or a mixture of both? And also 5-10 years ago when Anthony Parker was dominating Euroleague (3X Euroleague Champion, Euroleague Final 4 MVP, 2X Euroleague MVP) was the same period Team USA, filled with NBA stars, was losing to national teams filled with Euroleague players. Since Parker left Euroleague, after the summer on 2006, Team USA has not lost a single game. So if Euroleague has gotten so much better in the past 5 years why has current Team USA been able to dominate other national teams when they couldn’t 5 years ago?
    And we still haven’t discussed Alphonso Ford Trophy winner and First Team All-Euroleague Linas Kleiza who was a bench player on one of the worst teams in the NBA before he got hurt.
    Or Tiago Splitter and Josh Childress who were Second Team All-Euroleague players who are currently buried deep on the bench on their NBA teams. Childress is not even playing in Phoenix while with Olympiacos he was one of the main players that got them into the Championship game last year.

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  14. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    Yo Gabe man you must be so stupid see what ivanovic and michael are talking to you ,and you tell me teodosic has never led national team to a medal ????????? 2009 eurobasket he led yougest team in tournament to silver medal …. so shut up !!!!! and euroleague in 2011 is much much much better then euroleague in 2005,2006,2007 … is is progressing so fast … and if you dont watch ,you dont know what am i talking about so dont post stupid comments like you did to ivanovic you said that he is talking like parker won euroleague mvp 20 years ago…. well my friend euroleague is much better now then 2005… then you had 4,5 teams competing for title pao,maccabi,cska,tauceramica,barcelona…. now you have about 10 teams that can win euroleague : maccabi,barcelona,caja laboral,olympiacos,pao,fenerbache,siena,real madrid,efes …. so please SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!! teodosic is one of the most cluthc players in the world when gasol hit a game wining shot send me one clip ???? just one ???? please just one ???? and you know when he missed it ?? 2007 eurobasket against russia he missed a winning shot …. teodosic would give that with his eyes closed … just look what he did in world championship 2010,eurobasket 2009 ,euroleague 2009/2010 … and please shup up ,cause you are realy stupid guy …

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Okay, I’m tired if the insults. If you want to insist that Euroleague has improved so much in 5 years fine.
      And I never said Teodosic has never led a national team to a medal, I said he has never led his team to a medal in global competition. Eurobasket is a regional competition (no USA or Argentina) so it is easier to medal. And he won a silver medal, 2nd place, and it was Gasol who beat him to win gold!
      So Gasol has won two NBA championships, Eurobasket and the World Championship. Teodosic has never won a championship in anything. Nowitzki has never won a championship either but he was the MVP of the NBA which means a lot more than the MVP of Europe. Teodosic had a chance this summer to prove that as Euroleague MVP he was one of the best players in the world and he couldn’t even lead his team to a Bronze medal!

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  15. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    This Gabe guy must work for the NBA marketing department. No other reason for him to come a European basketball site and go line by line of the NBA marketing propaganda 101 book here.

    Gabe, the Euroleague is about 100 times better than you say it is. As someone that watches both leagues extensively I can say that the NBA wants no part of any world championship because Barcelona 92 LA Lakers 88 would not be an uncommon result at all.

    The NBA is a manufactured league, and so is FIBA and the Olympics, ever since the NBA took power over them. If you can’t grasp that, then you are hopeless. Watch an NCAA game or a Euroleague game and then watch an NBA game or a Team USA game……only a retard could not see that the NBA and Team USA crap is all rigged.

    The ONLY people I know in the US that like the NBA are kids. I can’t think of a single adult sports fan I know that can stand the NBA and all it’s fake nonsense. That is why it is a distant fifth sport int he US in popularity and income, behind the NFL, college football, and college basketball.

    If you are not a kid and are not an NBA marketing stooge, then you are one of those racist black supremacist xenophobes. It is unbelievable how racist the NBA and its fans are. Even everything associated with the NBA at TNT and ESPN is racist. All of the ads and marketing of the NBA are racist. All of the Nike stuff with the NBA is racist.

    If there was even 1 millionth of the amount of racism against blacks in the NBA as there is against whites, there would be a congressional investigation. The NBA is the “black man’s game.”. “Whites can’t play basketball.” “White men can’t jump”. “Blacks are physically superior and more athletic than whites.” An NBA GM actually stating the media, “the first rule of being an NBA GM is, never draft a white guy.”

    Only 10% of the players are white Americans, playing in a league in a country with 83% of the population being white Americans. And it isn’t the NHL, where blacks choose not to play the sport, or any other such sport that is dominated by one race. Whites play basketball in extremely high numbers in high school and college, but all of a sudden they “can’t play in the NBA.”.

    The NBA is a total POS and a true blight on the game of basketball. It has now ruined the last Olympics and the last World Championship as well. As they have now also become predetermined “competitions”, NBA style.

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  16. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    Oh and Gabe the NBA ain’t no “world competition” either buddy. It’s a domestic league of US/Canada. NBA calls their champions “world champions” which is comical. The whole world laughs at it and it is just comical and hilarious. People outside the US consider the NBA and US sports media to be a total laughing stock with that kind of idiocy and arrogance.

    So all this BS you say like “EuroBasket ain’t a world competition”, well neither is the NBA genius. Gasol didn’t win any “world competition” either, so everything you are saying is complete idiotic BS.

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  17. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    “MVP of NBA means a lot more than MVP of Europe”. Only to people like Gabe that have never in their life seen a Euroleague game.

    Euroleague champs 92 – NBA champs 88.

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  18. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Dear “NBA Sucks”. I’m glad you mentioned the exhibition game this summer when Barca beat the Lakers by 4 points. Now I can mention that before that game, NBA teams had won 19 exhibition games in a row again. Yes that’s a fact. 19 games in a row. Were those 19 games all rigged too?

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  19. Gabe
    14 years ago

    So yes Barca beat the Lakers last year but since 2003 Euroleague teams are 7-39 against NBA teams in those exhibition games. 7-39! So to even compare the leagues is silly.

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  20. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    No Gabe you can’t. Because you are not interested in facts. You are a hater and you twist and manipulate everything.

    Anthony Parker “dominated Euroleague and is just a role player in NBA”………

    Seriously, don’t post here. I don;t think Parker could even make the rotation of a good Euroleague club now.

    But do we ever here about how almost every single NBA player plays much worse in Euroleague than in the NBA? Nope? We hear retarded nonsense from Gabe like, “Linas Kleiza led the Euroleague in scoring and was a role player in NBA”, or “Childress led his team to the Euroleague final and sucks in NBA”.

    Yeah, Linas Kleiza can’t play defense in Euroleague, can’t create his own show in Euroleague, and choked in EVERY single important game and played awful in every important game. Almost all his points were from wide open shots and layups created by Teodosic and Papaloukas. Kleiza was DOMINATED by Kostas Tsartsaris (who also DOMINATED Team USA in 2010)………..

    Kleiza was horrible and pathetic in the Greek Finals and abused by Tsartsaris. He actually cried during the last game he was dominated so bad. Kleiza played all year in Toronto with a serious knee injury. Conclusion” Gabe is a xenophobic, ignorant moron.

    Childress? Easy. Worst Olympiacos player of recent memory, except for Jannero Pargo. Another NBA player. Pargo was pathetically awful in Euroleague. So Childress beats him. But really, Childress was the second worst Olympiacos player of recent times.

    Could not shoot. Could not score on anything but wide open dunks. Only scored and rebounded in garbage time. Biggest stat padder in Euroleague history. Unbelievable choker. Could not create his own shot, could not create for others. Could not ever get the job done when it mattered.

    Was absolutely annihilated, dominated, abused, toyed with, destroyed 2 years in a row by Stratos Perperoglou in the Greek Finals. Childress is a terrible, awful player. The fact that he can even play in the NBA and was a key player for a playoff team like the Hawks proves how weak the NBA is. Josh Childress is AWFUL. I mean he is TERRIBLE. Olympiacos could not wait to get rid of him and was jumping for joy when he left. He SUCKS. If this guy can play in the NBA then the NBA is a WEAK, WEAK, WEAK league.

    Brandon Jennings -> sucked in Euroleague. Terrible, awful. Goes to the NBA and is automatically a top rookie, has a 55 point game, etc. Nachbar was a 6th man on playoff teams in the NBA – > in Euroleague he is barely even good enough to stay in the league.

    Giricek was a starter/6th man in playoff teams in the NBA -> in Euroleague he was so bad he was cut from more than one team.

    Pargo = 6th man on playoff teams in the NBA -> in Euroleague he was an epic scrub and was cut.

    Flip Murray = 6th man on NBA teams, starter in the past -> absolutely pathetically awful player in Euroleague.

    Delfino – starter in NBA -> Average player in Euroleague at best, not much above average when he was in Eurocup (the D-League of Europe)

    Iverson went from being a starter at 15 a game in Philly in NBA to being a joke almost in Europe’s D-League, the Eurocup.

    Earl Boykins = NBA 6th man, played in Europe’s third level, the Eurochallenge, like CBA of North America and was cut for poor play.

    Sean May = starter in NBA -> can barely even stay in Fener’s rotation in Euroleague.

    The list goes on and on and on and on and on.

    Player, after player, after player, after player, after player, year after year, after year, after year that were good players in the NBA and absolutely suck, flat out SUCK in the NBA.

    In conclusion, Gabe is only here to push all the NBA marketing BS. If anyone actually wrote and article comparing how NBA players do in the NBA versus the Euroleague it would be incredibly embarrassing to the NBA and in any court of law the conclusion would be that the Euroleague is a much better league.

    Guys that can barely even play in Europe become stars in the NBA and guys that were starters and 6th men on NBA playoff teams struggle to even not get cut or do get cut from Euroleague teams.

    NBA marketing propaganda book 101

    1. Anthony Parker
    2. Sarunas Jasikevicius
    3. Trajan Langdon
    4. Linas Kleiza
    5. Josh Childress
    6. “The Olympics”
    7. “Team USA”
    8. Any untrue, xenophobic, racist, ignorant BS they can make up out of thin air.

    Like, “NBA players are more athletic and bigger and stronger than European players”.

    Translation, this is not true and is a lie, but NBA fans (black racists) like hearing how whites are all a “a bunch of slow, non athletic, white stiffs”.

    As if Jan Vesely can’t do every dunk Blake Griffin can as good or even better. Actually, yes BETTER. “Most athletic NBA player” is less athletic than Vesely.

    As if the information that the Euroleague has players at 6-7 and so does the NBA, even though many players in Euroleague are listed in barefoot height, even though Euroleague point guards are bigger than NBA point guards, etc.

    The NBA and its average fan are incredibly insulting and racist and they are patriotic, xenophobic liars.

    “Anthony Parker”

    Jonas Jerebko was a role player for a small Italian club that competed in the CBA of Europe.

    “Linas Kleiza”

    Ommri Casspi was a bit part role player in Euroleague, AT BEST

    Again, the list is endless.

    “NBA is superior to Euroleague”. Then why the hell didn’t the Lakers beat Barca?

    This Gabe guy is a total jerk.

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  21. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    Gabe is a liar and a moron. The NBA is 8-5 playing under FIBA rules against Euroleague teams.

    8-5 Gabe and that is WITH NBA refs.

    How many lies can Gabe spread here?

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Your numbers are wrong NBA Sucks. You can look it upon wikipedia. NBA is 10-5 playing under FIBA rules against Euroleague teams in Europe but what you fail to mention that the NBA is 28-2 playing under NBA rules against Euroleague teams in North America. So NBA teams have won 2/3 games against Euroleague teams in Europe playing under FIBA rules and 14/15 games in North America under NBA rules. If the leagues were anywhere near close you would think Euroleague teams would win more than 2 out of 28 games even on the road with NBA rules?
      Now lets talk about Childress who you claim is the worst player in recent Olympiacos history. Olympiacos did better in Euroleague with him than they had in over 10 years and that in the most important game, the final against Barca, he led the team in points and rebounds! Padding stats in the Euroleague championship game?? And you’re saying Klieza “choked in EVERY single important game and played awful in every important game” well in the semi-final against Partizan, to get into the Euroleague final (important game right?) Klieza led the team in points and rebounds in a winning effort.. And in the quarter finals series against Asseco that Olympiacos won 3-1, Childress led the team in scoring in the deciding game 4 and scoring and rebounds in game 3 while Klieza led the team in scoring and rebounds in game 1 & 2. So basically in helping Olympiacos reach the Euroleague final which they haven’t done since 1997 Childress and Klieza led their team in scoring and rebounds in everyone of those games. Is that padding stats??
      The facts don’t lie NBA Sucks. There’s nothing you can say now, except claim the games are rigged like you do now that Team USA filled with NBA players have asserted their dominance in FIBA again.
      Oh and Kostas Tsartsaris dominated team USA in 2010? 87-59 mean anything to you??

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  22. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    Gabe obviously works for the NBA marketing department. I don;t understand why he is allowed to troll this European basketball site. Childress is one of the worst Olympiacos players in memory and this tool is claiming he was one of the best players in Euroleague.

    In every arena in Europe the fans laughed at Childress. Why is this Gabe guy allowed to spread this NBA propaganda BS here?

    Oh and the NBA is 10-5 against Euroleague teams playing under mixed rules WITH NBA refs? OH MY FREAKING GOD. Wow, the NBA is so AMAZING. WOW UNfreaking believable 10-5 playing with 50-50 rules and 67-33 NBA refs.

    OM MY GOD the NBA is like INCREDIBLE!!!!!

    10-5 against the Euroleague with 50/50 hybrid rules and biased NBA reffing.

    Oh yeah and the Euroleageu champs beat the NBA champs.

    Gabe, STFU.

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    • Erik-7
      14 years ago

      No, Childress was not our worst player in recent history.
      He was a good player but with far too many highs and lows both in a game and during a season.

      We ‘ve had far worse players than Josh.
      Americans, Slovenians, Croats, Greeks, you name it.

      The best 2 American players the team had during the last 21 years were:
      -Eddie Johnson in 1994-95,
      who had previously played for the Kings, Suns, Sonics, and Hornets, and then return to the NBA to play with the Pacers and the Rockets, and

      -David Rivers, 1995-97, who was selected 25th overall by the Los Angeles Lakers in the first round of the 1988 NBA Draft and then played for the Clippers until 1992.
      He helped the team win a 4th consecutive Greek Championship with a historic 73-38 finals win against European Champions Panathinaikos(led by Dominique Wilkins), and also helped the team win the Triple Crown in 1996-97.

      In 1997 after a(n unfortunate) massive roster overhaul with starting players (the team has not win a championship since 1996-97) the team faced Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls in the Final of the McDonald’s Championship in Paris, losing 78-104.

      But if you are wondering about American players during the last years who offered Nothing, you can find a lot of them by visiting “Olympiacos bc” in wikipedia and there you ll find all the rosters since 1948-89 near the end of the page.

      imo NBA and Euroleague/European Leagues play different types of basketball, i don’t wanna start talking about which one is better and in what aspect and all that.
      In the NBA you have each player(the majority of them at least) doing specific things on the court while in Europe the players are more “athletes”, and are expected to be able to contribute in every aspect of the game. both in defense and offence.

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  23. NBA Sucks
    14 years ago

    Yeah so according to Gabe, Kleiza and Childress actually won the Greek League instead of being humiliated and dominated. Right…………….only magic fairy tales exist in Gabe’s fictional world of make believe.

    Oh and Gabe Kostas Tsartsaris embarresed Team USA. He dominated them, he wrecked them, he destroyed them, he made them look like little 8th grade school girls. He made Team USA “star” Kevin Love look like a 5th grader.

    Oh yea, I forgot “NBA is so awesome”. A 5 point and 3 rebound Euroleague player (Tsartsaris) can dominate a 22-15 NBA player (Love) so bad that it was painful to even watch and the American announcers were even laughing about it. Laughing at the American “big men”.

    Right, since Gabe is such an “expert” in “stats”. Like all NBA only fans – the level of their brain power is “stats” and sportscenter highlights. Well 5-3 Euroleague power forward made 22-15 NBA power forward his little school girl bitch, so that pretty much says it all about this magical delusional world of the NBA, where xenophobe racists like Gabe play.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      As I explained Childress led Olympiacos in points in rebounds in their most important Euroleague games so say what you want. And yes 10-5 in Europe, how about 28-2 in North America, talk about domination!
      And you keep talking about Tsartsaris against team USA. Basketball is not an individual sport, it is a team sport and Team USA beat the team Tsartsaris was on by 28 points! 28 points! The team of Greek Euroleague players got destroyed by a team of NBA stars by 28 points! And placed 9th place in tournament that the USA won gold in. Team USA made Team Greece theur “little school girl bitch” in that game. Watching it, it seemed that the Greek players even gave up.

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  24. VAMOSDORIA
    14 years ago

    lets just skip to important part….the world hates america…i dont know why gabe, some blonde kid from a suburb is sticking for the black guys his country enslaved who happen to be good at basketball….they probably hate you and everything you stand for….it is not a coincidence that your own minorities, not black but all, and europe, asia, africa, asouth america all hate you…all the countries you bombed, all the lies you told….fuck off and leave euroleague alone…..the cleveland cavaliers, last years playoff semi finalists lost to the worst CSKA team in years…lakers nba champions lost…but this is not about basketball…..i think we have had enough of your whiny anglo saxo whiny gay shit here …your the kind of american who brings his girlfriend to italy or croatia on holliday, and get robbed and your girlfriend stolen while you stumble around hoping people speak your shit english language….vatene a fanculo americano di merda/idi na hui amerikanski pederan…brandon jennings in italian league….20 percent from field , 4 points per game….NBA…superstar,,,,2002 world championship in america with nba players…..JUGOSLAVIA WON….1998 russia-jugoslavia in final….2004, italia-argentina, 2006 spain greece,,,lithuania beat you aswell…so calm down….NBA is the best league, USA national team right now is the best but no thanks to your ugly pink skin anglo saxon suburb america…stick to golf and let blacks or europeans play the game

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  25. VAMOSDORIA
    14 years ago

    lets just skip to important part….the world hates america…i dont know why gabe, some blonde kid from a suburb is sticking for the black guys his country enslaved who happen to be good at basketball….they probably hate you and everything you stand for….it is not a coincidence that your own minorities, not black but all, and europe, asia, africa, asouth america all hate you…all the countries you bombed, all the lies you told….fuck off and leave euroleague alone…..the cleveland cavaliers, last years playoff semi finalists lost to the worst CSKA team in years…lakers nba champions lost…but this is not about basketball…..i think we have had enough of your whiny anglo saxo whiny gay shit here …your the kind of american who brings his girlfriend to italy or croatia on holliday, and get robbed and your girlfriend stolen while you stumble around hoping people speak your shit english language….vatene a fanculo americano di merda, cazzo di ricchione../idi na hui amerikanski pederan…brandon jennings in italian league….20 percent from field , 4 points per game….NBA…superstar,,,,2002 world championship in america with nba players…..JUGOSLAVIA WON….1998 russia-jugoslavia in final….2004, italia-argentina, 2006 spain greece,,,lithuania beat you aswell…so calm down….NBA is the best league, USA national team right now is the best but no thanks to your ugly pink skin anglo saxon suburb america…stick to golf and let blacks or europeans play the game

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  26. dear gabe
    14 years ago

    lets just skip to important part….the world hates america…i dont know why gabe, some blonde kid from a suburb is sticking for the black guys his country enslaved who happen to be good at basketball….they probably hate you and everything you stand for….it is not a coincidence that your own minorities, not black but all, and europe, asia, africa, asouth america all hate you…all the countries you bombed, all the lies you told….fuck off and leave euroleague alone…..the cleveland cavaliers, last years playoff semi finalists lost to the worst CSKA team in years…lakers nba champions lost…but this is not about basketball…..i think we have had enough of your whiny anglo saxo whiny gay shit here …

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  27. dear gabe
    14 years ago

    your the kind of american who brings his girlfriend to italy or croatia on holliday, and get robbed and your girlfriend stolen while you stumble around hoping people speak your shit english language….vatene a fanculo americano di merda, cazzo di ricchione../idi na hui amerikanski pederan…brandon jennings in italian league….20 percent from field , 4 points per game….NBA…superstar,,,,2002 world championship in america with nba players…..JUGOSLAVIA WON….1998 russia-jugoslavia in final….2004, italia-argentina, 2006 spain greece,,,lithuania beat you aswell…so calm down….NBA is the best league, USA national team right now is the best but no thanks to your ugly pink skin anglo saxon suburb america…stick to golf and let blacks or europeans play the game

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Haha VAMOSDORIA you’re funny. A couple things.
      The Cleveland Cavs without Lebron James that CSKA beat this year is the worst team in the NBA and just set the record for the longest NBA losing streak ever.
      Branden Jennings is not an NBA superstar.
      I’m not from the suburbs and I’m not Anglo Saxon.
      And you’re saying everyone hates me so much? Well that’s their problem. To them I say don’t be a hater and USA gold in 2012, let’s make it three in a row!

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  28. deargabe
    14 years ago

    dear gabe you are bitch

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  29. Gabe
    14 years ago

    deargabe big words from somebody on a computer screen. Your attitude would be different if I was in front of you.

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  30. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    why would be diferent ??? are you 7 foot guy with ??? ahahahha you are funny guy,now fuck off !!!!!! if you are not intersted in european basketabll dont come here ,fuck off !!!!!!!

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  31. MIRKO
    14 years ago

    smert vsjem amerikantsam….muori americano demmerda

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  32. Gabe
    14 years ago

    No, because most people who are insulting anonymously are really pussies in real life. It’s real easy to call someone a bitch behind a computer screen, a lot harder to call someone a bitch to their face.

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  33. deargabe
    14 years ago

    gabe so why are you insulting european basketball?do you have nothing better to do?? you probably cant make a layup in real life….stick to you principle and shhhhh

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  34. Apollo
    14 years ago

    Jonas Jerebko = nobody in Europe – starter in NBA

    Brandon Jennings = scrub in Europe – star in NBA

    Gary Neal = scrub in Europe – 6th man in NBA

    Sean May = scrub in Europe – starter in NBA

    Mo Taylor = scrub in Europe – starter in NBA

    Von wafer = scrub in Europe – 6th man in NBA

    Jannero Pargo = scrub in Europe – 6th man in NBA

    I could list probably 30 such cases AT LEAST of players in recent years that were nothing or even awful in Europe, but were considered “good NBA players”.

    This Gabe guy is the typical Ugly American. The only problem is that he THINKS this is an American basketball site. Gabe, go to insidehoops.com or realgm,com where this NBA is a billion times better than Euroleague lies and nonsense and paranoid xenophobic trash is acceptable.

    For those that don’t know, this same Gabe guy was a huge instigator and antagonist at the FIBA website also. It is people like him that give Americans such a bad rep throughout the world, and in typical fashion, he does not even have the mental capacity to grasp why.

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  35. deargabe
    14 years ago

    he is jealous because we have culture, history, beautiful women, intelligent americans all look up to us and come here to see our cities, cultures, beaches, mountains etc..idiot americans try to attack us and bomb us and call us backward and poor when we are much happier than they ever will be…i like some sides of america, the real america…the old westerns, the black music, elvis presley, jimi hendrix…but the stuff they force on us today is shit..mcdonalds, bad fashion, fat ugly people……including all this nba hype..staging games in LONDON! in the only european country where nobody cares, just for money…..if they did in belgrade, milan, athens, barcelona it would be much better…he is also upset because we dominate in the worlds main sport i.e football, calcio, futbol, fusbal etc…and are starting to catch up with usa in basketball….i love european basketball, its a different sport to the nba but we cant deny nba is technically the best and in ther last 3 years USA national team is back to its best….but the gap is very small, and in some years we took them over, 1998, 2002, 2004, 2006 and with this young serbian team (whose playce was stolen in the final by turkish/fiba conspiracy) and spain we could have serious contenders for world titles..greece are in transition but still great, lithuania are young and talented like always, france, italy, russia, slovenia and croatia are just a level below but sill dangerous .(as russia proved in 2010 wen it lead usa after 1 quarter before durant becamse sueprman to save his team which was being toaught euro basketball)i wish usa played a tough tournament like eurobasket…in the end apart fromk usa and argentina all best teams are from europe, there are no useless teams like ivory coast or south korea!!! and gabe all i can say is CSKA moscow (depsite the fact they were so good for so long) were one of the worst teams in euroelague this year and beat cleveland, whil euro champs beat nba champs….

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  36. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Haha. There you are Apollo! Speaking of the FIBA website how did all your predictions go this summer? You never gave congratulations to Team USA on wining gold. How does your crow taste? Now let’s use facts to debunk your nonsense. Gary Neal scrub in Europe? When playing for Pinar Karsiyaka he led the Turkish league in scoring with 23.6 points a game. In 2008, when playing for Pallacanestro Treviso he was the starting shooting guard and named to the All-Eurocup Second Team. Jonas Jerebko? Won Swedish Championship.
    I said this before but the best of Euroleague-Linas Kleiza (Alphonso Ford Trophy winner and First Team All-Euroleague) Josh Childress and Tiago Splitter (both second team all-Euroleague) are buried deep on the bench on their NBA teams.
    And no deargabe, not all the best teams are in Europe. I admit that after US and Argentina the next six best teams are from Europe but teams like Australia, China, Angola, Puerto Rico and Brazil are better than Bulgaria, Great Britain, Israel, Latvia and Poland.
    This summer both Angola and Australia beat Germany (Australia crushed them), Brazil beat Croatia, and New Zealand Beat France.
    And yes congratulations on Barca beating the Lakers by four in their home court but how did the past Eurochamps fair when coming to play in North America?
    2008
    CSKA Moscow 66 Orlando Magic 94
    CSKA Moscow 78 Toronto Raptors 86
    2007
    Panathinaikos 70 Houston Rockets 107
    Panathinaikos 91 San Antonio Spurs 113

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  37. Michael
    14 years ago

    Jonas Jerebko was a role player on a small Italian club. He didn’t even play in Euroleague and played in an Italian club that is not even serious. Was not even the best player on the team. He won the Swedish Championship? Are you serious??? Dude…….please stay the heck out of this site. The Swedish Championship??? …….LMFAO this gabe guy is a riot.

    That equals STARTER IN NBA

    Gary Neal was a complete scrub at the top level in Europe.

    When he played in Euroleague his career scoring average was 2.3 points per game. 2.3 points per game at the top level in Europe for his career. Turkish League? Turkish League?? With some nothing joke team? I am laughing so hard at this Gabe guy. This guy is like a comedian.

    That equals SIXTH MAN ON THE BEST TEAM IN THE NBA

    Hey Gabe, your examples are so laughable it is like saying, “hey this one guy won a title in high school and he was like leading scorer so yeah that means he is like SUPERSTAR NBA player” LMAO just shut up Gabe for real. You are really embarrassing yourself here.

    The freaking Swedish League? Karsiyaka? Unbelievable. This guy is really trolling here and just making up whatever delusional crap he feels like.

    Gabe the games in North America are played under NBA rules with all NBA refs. ANYONE that uses those games as an argument is a damn fool and a joke and I will not take their basketball knowledge seriously.

    The games played in Europe are played under MIXED rules and with 2/3’s NBA refs – therefore they are somewhat more FAIR. The games played in North America are a freaking JOKE.

    NBA is 10-5 against the Euroleague, playing with more FAIR rules.

    The other games do NOT count because they are NOT fair.

    The NBA will never allow to play a world club championship because they are scared of the better European clubs like Barca and Olympiacos, playing with the 50/50 mixed rules. Also, Gabe it is obvious that your basketball knowledge is extremely limited and that you don’t know a single shred iota of anything about European basketball.

    Your entire basketball knowledge is clearly incredibly limited.

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  38. Michael
    14 years ago

    “I said this before but the best of Euroleague-Linas Kleiza (Alphonso Ford Trophy winner and First Team All-Euroleague) Josh Childress and Tiago Splitter (both second team all-Euroleague) are buried deep on the bench on their NBA teams.”

    The best of Europe LMFAO

    The best of Europe?

    These are “the best of Europe” ???

    I am sorry but this guy is a real comedian.

    Yeah, sure those are the best of Europe. OMFG this guy is a joke.

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  39. Gabe
    14 years ago

    “The other games do not count because they are not fair.” Not fair? You think professional basket teams from such a great league should be able to do better, even with NBA rules and refs than 2-28 if the talent was anywhere near close. Or is it not fair? That sounds like something a child would say.
    So now you’re belittling the Turkish League too saying by their leading scorer was just a scrub. And how about being named to Second All-Eurocup team? That means being a scrub too? So now you’re belittling Eurocup as well?
    And yes I think leading Euroleague in scoring means you are at least one of the best in Europe, at least in offense duh. And being named to 1st or 2nd league all-Euroleague teams means you are one of the top players in the Euroleague.
    Or are the Euroleague and Eurocup awards all fixed? Like the Olympics and World Championships are fixed. Just like when Euroleague teams come to America it is unfair.
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!

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  40. deargabe
    14 years ago

    you idiot angola is maybe better than bulgaria and great britain but it would not be top 15…ok australia are ok,brazil ok….but only usa and argentina have ever won anything..and dont bring germany, they are not a basketball country without nowitzki they are crap…YOU ARE A BITCH UGLY FAT AMERICAN DONT CRY WHEN OSAMA BOMBS YOU AGAIN I HOPE HE DOES SO YO SHUT THE FUCK UP…YOU MUST PAY WHAT YOU DID TO YUGOSLAVIA FUCKING FAT MURDURERES….DONT DEFEND USA BASKETBALL YOU ARE NOT BLACK AND FROM GHETTO LIKE ALL YOUR GOOD PLAYERS…YOU ARE NOT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM….FINALLY IN 2008 THE EUROLEAGUE TOP SCORER WAS MARC SALYERS, HE IS NOW PLAYING IN A MID TABLE ITALIAN TEAM AS A BENCH PLAYER….YOU HAVE NO LOGIC….DO YOU REMEMBER A CERTAIN DRAZEN PETROVIC AVERAGING 20 POINTS OR MORE GAME IN YOUR LEAGUE….???AND MANY OTHERS….STOJAKOVIC???? GASOL?NOWITZKI?BARGNANI, GINOBILI (HE IS ITALIAN OF ORIGINS , PLAYED AND DEVELOPED IN EUROLEAGUE, CERTAINLY NOT ARGENTINIAN LEGUE), TONY PARKER, ….GET OVER IT YOU ARE UPSET BECAUSE WHITE AMERICANS ARE SHIT (YOURE BEST PLAYER IS MIKE MILLER HAHAHAH) AND US EUROPEANS ARE GOOD…THATS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT…..DONT SAY OUR BEST PLAYERS IS LEBRON JAMES BECAUSE YOU ARE NOITHING TO DO WITH HIM…..YOU ARE SOME ANGLO SAXON BITCH

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  41. deargabe
    14 years ago

    P.S GARY NEAL WAS A JOKE IN ITALY….ONLY ONE SEASON HE DID WELL AND THEN HE WAS CUT FOR BEING AN IDIOT………..ALL I CAN SAY IS
    2002…NBA VS JUGOSLAVIA IN INDIANA……WHO WON????THATS RIGHT …2004????2006???1998???ALL THE OLYMPICS WITH SOVIET UNION…YES….I FEEL BAD SAYING THIS BECAUSE AMERICA IS GREAT COUNTRY BUT I HATE THE WHINY WHITE ANGLO BITCH FROM SOME SUBURB WHO TALKS SHIT BUT KNOWS NOTHING OF THE REAL WORLD……YOU THINK YOU ARE SO GOOD THE WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT YOU

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  42. deargabe
    14 years ago

    THE FINAL POINT: IF SOMEONE IS BETTER THEY KNOW IT AND DONT SAY ANYTHING…..YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT CONFIDENT IN THE NBA OR USA BEING BY FAR TE BEST…..I AM HUGE EUROLEAGUE FAN BUT EVEN I SAYT NBA IS THE BEST LEAGUE ON AVERAGE AND USA TEAM SINCE 2008 IS THE BEST…..I AM CONFIDENT IN MY OWN LEAGUE…YOU ARE NOT AND INSECURE SO JUST FUCK YOU GO AND EAT MCDONALDS, AND FUCK YOUR FAT MOTHER

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Jeez deargabe,
      The hatred and the anger, insulting my mother and wishing I was bombed. I must have hit a nerve. Kleiza was not only the leading scorer of the league but he also lead his team to the final and was voted all-Euroleague FIRST team.
      No, the best white player is Kevin Love who is an all-star leading the NBA in rebounds and moving in on the record for consecutive double doubles.
      As I said before, I am not Anglo Saxon, I do not live in the suburbs, and I do not eat McDonalds.
      Final point: Germany without Nowitzki beat Serbia this summer.

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  43. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    i wrote something about Olympiacos and american players but unfortunately i posted it as a reply, so anyone interested just use “find” from your browser and write Erik-7 there and it will take you to the comment.
    Maybe two more players worth mentioning are the former Dallas Maverick Roy Tarpley and Walter Berry.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Yeah Erik-7 you seem to be a true Olympiacos fan. Didn’t last year Olympiacos get the furthest in Euroleague since their championship season in 1997? And wasn’t Josh Childress and Kleiza a major part of that resurgence? Looking at the stats I see Kleiza led the team in points and rebounds in the sem-final game they won against Partizan Belgrade with 19 and 11, their biggest win in almost 15 years and Childress led the team in points and rebounds in the championship game with 15 and 6. I mean you said Childress had his highs in lows but in Olympiacos most important game in almost 15 years he gave his all and led the team in points and rebounds!

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  44. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    Yeah sure, after beating Barcelona in the 1996-97 final by 73-58, we came 3rd in 1998-99,
    4th in 2008-09, and second in 2009-10.

    The thing is, the team went through a very bad period during the 2000s because of the rise of Panathinaikos but also because our previous owner got tired of running the basketball department of the club and was more focused on football(soccer).
    So the team was constantly changing coaches, constant roster changes with unproven talents, with players past their prime, with lower level stars, and also losing all major Greek talents to Panathinaikos.

    So when we got Josh we expected a top defender but also a highflier on offense,
    and when Linas signed, most fans expected Larry-Bird-3-point-stats.

    That maybe was a bit too much to expect, but the fans still wonder what Dusan Ivkovic(current coach) would achieve with those 2 guys on the floor.
    They were both very good players but i wouldn’t say they were above the top level.

    Personally I believe this year’s team is better, thanks to coach Ivkovic but also because the roster is more complete than ever. I mean, the coach decided to keep Bourousis -our best center along with Nesterovic- out of the team for a month, but the team seems as strong as ever.

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  45. Steve
    14 years ago

    I personally checked the actual records and Gabe is even lying about his “facts”. The NBA is 9-5 against the Euroleague in games with MIXED rules. Not 10-5.

    Gabe can’t even get that right.

    The NBA is 9-5 against the Euroleague in games played with mixed rules.

    If anyone thinks that makes the NBA a “vastly superior league”, as some of these NBA only fan idiots claim, then they cannot be taken seriously. They are just patriotic USA, USA, USA morons.

    The fact that the NBA is 9-5 against the Euroleague with mixed rules, is more than enough proof for me that the Euroleague is a very serious league, and that for someone to claim that the Euroleague MVP does not count, as Gabe claimed, is absolutely ridiculous and just shows a true xenophobic American, just as the Europeans say.

    The Euroleague is VERY competitive against the NBA as a 5-9 record under mixed rules proves. To claim that somehow the best players in Euroleague are nothing in the NBA and that any crap NBA player can “dominate” the Euroleague is just laughable.

    In fact, if you compare the points versus margins in the mixed rules games it shows that the Euroleague is quite close to the NBA. NBA fans like Gabe that do all this NBA dominates Euroleague trash talking are just douche bags.

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  46. Steve
    14 years ago

    “Kleiza was not only the leading scorer of the league but he also lead his team to the final and was voted all-Euroleague FIRST team.”

    Gabe, you are so full of shit. I watched every single Olympiacos game last year. Kleiza did not lead Olympiacos to crap. Why the hell do you keep saying ridiculous shit like that? Kleiza was MAYBE the fourth best player on Olympiacos last year.

    1. Teodosic
    2. Bourousis
    3. Papaloukas

    Then probably Klezia.

    You just sound like a complete dick. “Kleiza led Olympiacos to the final.” NO HE DID NOT LEAD THEM TO ANYTHING. And why are you even claiming that? They lost the final anyway. You don’t even make any sense. Not one argument you make is coherent, nor has any rationality to it.

    “FINALLY IN 2008 THE EUROLEAGUE TOP SCORER WAS MARC SALYERS, HE IS NOW PLAYING IN A MID TABLE ITALIAN TEAM AS A BENCH PLAYER….YOU HAVE NO LOGIC….”

    Exactly. Gabe is completely devoid is basic reasoning and logic. He has no deductive ability at all. Salyers led the Euroleague in scoring and he has been cut for poor play from just about every club he played in. He has never even passed a tryout with a good Euroleague club.

    But according to the “logic” of Gabe he must be “dominant” and a “superstar” in Europe. Just ignore Gabe. He has the mental reasoning of a petulant child.

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  47. Steve
    14 years ago

    “Yeah Erik-7 you seem to be a true Olympiacos fan. Didn’t last year Olympiacos get the furthest in Euroleague since their championship season in 1997? And wasn’t Josh Childress and Kleiza a major part of that resurgence? Looking at the stats I see Kleiza led the team in points and rebounds in the sem-final game they won against Partizan Belgrade with 19 and 11, their biggest win in almost 15 years and Childress led the team in points and rebounds in the championship game with 15 and 6. I mean you said Childress had his highs in lows but in Olympiacos most important game in almost 15 years he gave his all and led the team in points and rebounds!”

    You are a joke. You are an absolute joke. I watched every game of Olympiacos and Childress is one of the worst players I have seen in Euroleague in recent memory.

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  48. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    I ‘m gonna disagree with Steve. No, Childress was definetely not our best players but claiming that he is one of the worst players in Euroleague in recent memory, you are over-reacting man. He was a decent player and a guy, had his moments, he gave what he could to the team and that’s that.
    And personally I would rate Papaloukas’ mind and leadership and Bourousis’ intensity above Milos’ cold blooded craziness(and i say that in a good way).
    But it’s a team you know, everybody has their part.
    On the other hand, I would like give an example of what I said about NBA and Euroleague being a different kind of basketball with NBA being more about roles and Euroleague more about athleticism:

    Ben Wallace, NBA Champion and 4 times defensive player of the year, would probably not fit in any Euroleague team. In fact I believe he had a spell in Italy, but I don’t have any stats about that so any help would be appreciated.

    On the other hand, Mike Batiste, had a rather unsuccessful year as a SF/PF with the Memphis Grizzlies before being signed and waived by the LA Clippers.

    He then came to Panathinaikos to play as a C, and he played a really huge part on establishing Panathinaikos as one of Europe’s most dangerous and successful teams during the 2000s.
    He won 2 Triple Crowns, 2007 and 2009, 7 Greek Championships and 5 Greek Cups.

    I could refer to more examples like
    Gasol/Tabak,
    Sabonis/Rebraca,
    Dominique Wilkins/David Rivers,
    etc, etc, etc,
    from both sides, but I hope you get what I mean.

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  49. Rob
    14 years ago

    I am in total agreement that Childress sucked with Olympiakos. Every single week the Olympiakos games were broadcast live on ESPN3.com and Childress sucked in just about every game.

    He was better in his second season, but still no more than an average player, and I am being generous. The Greek finals the last 2 years were all broadcast online and Childress was a big time scrub in both Greek finals.

    The first year he basically lost the finals all by himself with his ridiculous amount of shot chucking and bricking and in the second finals he was completely useless and you never even knew he was on the court.

    There would be 8-10 better players than him on the court in those Greek League finals. I really question why an Olympiakos fan would be defending Gabe and his assertions here. I watched the games and in no way was Childress anything more than total crap in his first Euroleague season and he was no more than an average player the second year. He was a complete flop and bust at the Greek finals both times.

    Olympiakos could have signed 5 players as good or better than him from Europe for the salary that he earned. For Gabe to come here and claim this guy was one of the best Olympiakos players and one of the best in Europe is a downright load of it. I’m honestly not even buying that this guy is an Olympiakos fan. I call BS. I watched all those Olympiakos games, a lot on NBATV too and Childress was trash.

    Kleiza was bad on defense but good on offense and at rebounding (although not as good as Gabe is implying) but I am not buying any of this stuff about Childress being good in any way in Europe. Sorry, but the games were all broadcast in the US and I and many others saw Childress play like crap consistently for 2 years in that Greek team.

    I would challenge anyone here to go to a European basketball forum and claim Childress was one of the best players in Europe. I believe you would be banned within a few posts for your obvious trolling. It is the same crap with that Ricky Rubio from Spain.

    All you ever hear in the US is how wonderful and great he is and I am sure that if he comes to the NBA and sucks that people like Gabe will be claiming how Rubio was the greatest player ever in Europe but can’t can’t hang in the NBA or whatever.

    Well, no the truth is the guy freaking sucks. Rubio sucks in Euroleague. Childress sucked in Euroleague. Of course all US sports media claimed they were the best players in Europe but they lied. Got it Gabe? Those are lies and designed to fool people like you that don’t even watch the actual games and yet form their opinions on media hype and NBA marketing strategies.

    I watch the games and Childress sucked in Europe and Rubio sucks even worse than Childress did. The NBA must laugh and laugh at people like Gabe that just believe whatever they are told. These supposedbest players in Europe actually suck in Europe to anyone that watched the games.

    Childress is a scrub and that’s it. He is certainly athletic and there is no denying that but he can’t play basketball. He sucks in the NBA and he sucked in the Euroleague. He just had the best agent in the history of sports apparently.

    Kleiza and Childress were nothing among top players to me in Europe. If they were so good then why is Olympiakos now a better team without them? I am sure Gabe would have no rational explanation for that. Kleiza from all the games I watched was a good streak shooter that would score points in bunches but never when it really truly mattered and never when his team needed it at the most crucial times.

    He was a good rebounder and a poor defender. He was a tweener without a real position and he struggled to create his own shot. He had to rely on Teodosic and Papaloukas to create shots and baskets for him and most of his shots were wide open because the defense paid so much attention to the Olympiakos big men.

    Childress sucked.

    I don’t see how anyone that actually watched Euroleague games would call those two the best in Europe. Same with Tiago Splitter. The guy was a good defender in the Euroleague and a nice rebounder and that was about it. Almost zero offensive game. I can think of 10 centers or more from Euroleague when he was playing there that you would pick over him. Sorry to burst your high and mighty bubble Gabe but you really don’t know the basketball in Europe.

    If you want to talk about the best players in Europe then you should be mentioning names like Navarro, Siskauskas, Spanoulis guys like that. Not Kleiza and certainly not Splitter (Splitter can’t even score without a basket being spoon fed to him in Euroleague) and no way in hell would it be Childress.

    Not one of those guys was the best player on his own team but Gabe rates them the best in Europe. Right.

    Splitter isn’t as good as his teammates were like San Emeterio, Teletovic, Huertas. A word of advice Gabe stop posting here you are giving American basketball fans a really bad rep with all the European basketball fans.

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  50. deargabe
    14 years ago

    rob you are the america we like and respect

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  51. deargabe
    14 years ago

    i completely agree about rubio………teodosic is much better, its jsut he is a few years older and thus there is less hype (the hype has also to do with the fact spain is a huge, wealthy market compared to serbia, that is how the nba thinks)..teodosic is a killer….rubio is a just a showoff

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  52. Gabe
    14 years ago

    You guys are a joke. Then what are the all Euroleague teams for? It’s funny, the Euroleague MVP means so much while the all-Euroleague teams mean nothing. They are both chosen the same way with a combination of fan and media voting. Obviously some people over there believe that Kleiza was good enough to be voted All-Euroleague 1st team (top five players in Europe) and Childress and Splitter voted all-Euroleague 2nd team (top ten players in Europe). I’d take the votes of the majority of fans and the professional media than a few delusional loonies on the internet. And if you say All-Euroleague Teams mean nothing than Euroleague MVP means nothing because it is chosen the same way by the same people!
    And I’m not going to post Childress stats again in the Euroleague playoffs, maybe he was bad in the Greek final, but getting to the Euroleague final, him or Kleiza led the team in points every game and rebounds almost every game. I mean you can say all you want about leadership and intensity but when it comes down to it the players that score the most points and grab the most rebounds have to be consider the best players on the team. And Olympiakos is better this year than last? The only way they could be better is if they actually win the Euroleague because last year they were the runners up.
    And for Steve I am counting the exhibition games starting from 2003 since that’s when they started playing again after a four year break from McDonald’s championship (which the NBA was undefeated in)
    I’m just giving the NBA victories because we all agree on the five loses.
    2003
    Memphis Grizzlies 91 FC Barcelona 81-in Barcelona
    2006
    Phoenix Suns 100 Vitus Roma 93-in Rome
    Los Angeles Clippers 98 BC Khimki 91-in Moscow
    San Antonio Spurs 97 Maccabi Tel Aviv 84-in Paris
    Phoenix Suns 119 Maccabi Tel Aviv 102-in Cologne
    Philadelphia 76ers 85 CSKA Moscow 71-in Cologne
    2007
    Minnesota Timberwolves 84 Efes Pilsen 81-in Istanbul
    Toronto Raptors 93 Virtus Roma 87-in Rome
    2009
    Utah Jazz 109 Real Madrid 87-in Madrid
    2010
    New York Knicks 125 Olimpia Milano 113-in Milan
    and I didn’t include the victories over ASVEL Lyon-Villeurbanne or CB Estudiantes because I know they are not in Euroleague
    So 10 victories, 10-5 playing on a different continent, many times in the Euroleague team’s home arena and with mixed rules the NBA teams win 2 out of 3 times
    While when it is reversed and Euroleague teams come to North America they go 2-28! Winning only 1 out of 15 times!

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  53. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    @Rob.

    What I said was:

    “No, Childress was not our worst player in recent history.
    He was a good player but with far too many highs and lows both in a game and during a season.
    We ‘ve had far worse players than Josh.
    Americans, Slovenians, Croats, Greeks, you name it.”

    and

    “No, Childress was definetely not our best player but claiming that he is one of the worst players in Euroleague in recent memory, you are over-reacting man. He was a decent player and a guy, had his moments, he gave what he could to the team and that’s that.”

    I defended no one, I just made comments about my team and the Euroleague.
    Don’t care what you think.
    I ‘m not just “an Olympiacos fan”, I am from Pasalimani, the heart of the city.
    So watch your mouth before you go on insulting people cuz I insulted no one with my comments.

    My team had far worse players than Josh during the 2000s and that’s what I said.
    He was better from guys like
    Marque Perry,
    Tyus Edney,
    Alex Acker,
    Scoonie Penn,
    Roger Mason,
    Quincy Lewis,
    Qyntel Woods,
    and Jannero Pargo.
    Got it?
    Better than “THEM”.
    Not better from every Euroleague player out there.

    As for the reasons the team is better this year, might want to google “Dusan Ivkovic”.
    Having Nesterovic is not bad either.
    Nor having one of the best Euroleague combo-guards of the last 10+ years in
    Vasilis Spanoulis.
    Also having Zoran Erceg back who didn’t fit in the previous coach’s plans.
    And having Yotam Halperin ON THE FLOOR, as the previous coach didn’t like him and the team was about to sell him.

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    • Zoran
      14 years ago

      Erik, with all due respect, you are agreeing that Childress was not one of the best players in Europe, yet you have not once corrected him on that directly. So it does make it seem like you are supporting all of his totally false claims here.

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  54. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    for all of you who like watching games online,
    there is a possibility that THIS Sunday (March 06) 18:30(Greek time) we will have the Greek Cup Final between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos.
    (according to current schedule)

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  55. Gabe
    14 years ago

    I really don’t understand how you could say this year’s Olympiacos is better than last year. I mean does Euroleague mean anything? Last year they were the runners-up in Euroleague, the 2nd best team. This year they have to win the quarter final series against Montepaschi Siena and the semi-final game just to be equal to last year’s team. I mean with Childress and Kleiza as starters Olympiacos did better in Euroleague than they have in the past 13 years. Let’s see now if they can even reach the final without them.

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    • Zoran
      14 years ago

      Hey troll – the Greek League Finals between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos is a hell of a lot more important to Olympiacos than the Euroleague is. If you knew ANYTHING about European basketball you would know that.

      But you obviously don’t know shit about it.

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  56. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Oh and by the way Rob, I just looked it up, Childress led the Greek lead in scoring at 15.3 points a game. So Childress was a big scrub who just led the Greek league in scoring. And it’s not like he was on some garbage team. He was on the runner up team that went 23-3 and he was named All-Greek A1 League Team!
    So Rob it’s obvious you’re all bullshit. Childress was one of the top players in the Greek league and in Euroleague.

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  57. Gabe
    14 years ago

    And people comparing Kleiza to Marc Salyers…It’s one thing to lead Euroleague in scoring when you are on a shit team that can’t advance out of the regular season and it is quite another to lead Euroleague in scoring when you are on a team that makes it to the championship game!
    And if you watched the FIBA world championship this summer, not only is the team that won gold made up of all NBA players but four out of the five players on the all-tournament team are NBA players except Teodosic.
    In fact European player of the year should have gone to Turkoglu who is not only a starter in a better league than Teodosic but he carried his team to a silver medal, losing only to the mighty USA, while Teodosic couldn’t even win a bronze with Serbia losing to Germany, Turkey and Lithuania!

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  58. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    I talked about David Rivers in a previous post and since we ‘re talkin about 1997 you probably haven’t seen the guy playing so if you wanna watch some highlights from the 1997 Final4, just head over to YouTube and paste that:

    afieroma – olympiakos vs barcelona 1997 final4 euroleague

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  59. fan
    14 years ago

    Hey Gabe,
    i ‘m gonna give you stats of 2 hall of famers and you tell me who seems better on papers:

    GUY A:
    Position: C
    Height : 6’10
    FG% : .440
    FT% : .561
    Rebs : 21,600
    RPG : 22.5
    Asts : 4,100
    APG : 4.3
    Pts : 14,522
    PPG : 15.1

    GUY B:
    Position: C
    Height : 7’1
    FG% : .540
    FT% : .511
    Rebs : 23,924
    RPG : 22.9
    Asts : 4,643
    APG : 4.4
    Pts : 31,419
    PPG : 30.1

    They played in same era, age not a factor – only 2 years between them.
    What’s your call ?

    How do you measure toughness and clutch performance ?

    A wise man once said
    “We have never had the league’s top scorer. In fact, we won seven league championships without placing even one among the league’s top 10 scorers. Our pride was never rooted in statistics.”

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  60. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    heyyyyyyyyyyyyy gabe go home you are stupid USA fan,who doesnt know anything about european basketball !!!!!!!!!!!!!! shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  61. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Obviously GUY B. And I’m not saying Kleiza was the best player in Europe. I even trust the award givers and would say that Teodosic was the best and Navarro was the best on the championship team.
    In the NBA now the Spurs have the best team yet don’t have any stat leader. That doesn’t mean that Duncan, Parker and Ginobli are not some of the best players in the NBA, but so is Kevin Durant the league scoring leader. If you lead a league in scoring and are on one of the top teams you have to be considered a top plaer.

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    • Zoran
      14 years ago

      Dude shut the fuck up already. “I even trust the award givers”. Just shut the fuck up. Navarro is the best player in Europe and just about everyone that follows European basketball knows that.

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  62. fan
    14 years ago

    You would “OBVIOUSLY” choose “Guy B”, but that guy with the better stats and personal awards was called Wilt Chamberlain and was NBA Champion only two times, in 1967 and 1972.
    The underrated “Guy A” is Boston Celtics legend Bill Russell, who led the Celtics to 11 NBA Championships.

    It’s not all about the stats, it’s what you give to your team and what you give during the game.
    Stats don’t tell much.
    Take it from a (european) Celtics fan.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Point well taken but still Chamberlain is considered one of the best players ever, along with Russell.

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  63. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    gabe please tell why are you here cause you obivusly dont not follow european basketball and dont know anything about it… i wtched olypiacos all year,and i watch their greek league finals last year ,in all important games euroleague semi final,final … greek league finals they disapear … they are gone ,they are not even a little bit clutch ,all points they scored is cause of teodosics and papaloukas assists …you said kleiza had great game in euroleague semi final against partizan 19 points and 11 rebs.. so please tell who took the last shot on that game ,yeah childress dunked ball in last second cause ball basicly fell in his hands ,but who took last shot kleize ? no ,childres ? no ,they were in corners in that moments … teodosic the most cluth euro player today took it ,just look how many game winers he had in his short career … yeah he missed that shot but point is that he had great game also if we are talking stats 17 points and 5,6 asissts ,2 steals …. but stats are not the point here ,the point is that he had balls to take that last shot even if there was chance that he would be tragic of the game … he did it cause he plays with heart ,and has balls ,something you cant say for childress or kleiza ….

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Okay, let’s see how Teodosic and Papaloukas do this year without Childress and Kleiza. Let’s see if they can get into the Euroleague final again.

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  64. Zoran
    14 years ago

    You guys are a joke. Then what are the all Euroleague teams for? It’s funny, the Euroleague MVP means so much while the all-Euroleague teams mean nothing. They are both chosen the same way with a combination of fan and media voting. Obviously some people over there believe that Kleiza was good enough to be voted All-Euroleague 1st team (top five players in Europe) and Childress and Splitter voted all-Euroleague 2nd team (top ten players in Europe). I’d take the votes of the majority of fans and the professional media than a few delusional loonies on the internet. And if you say All-Euroleague Teams mean nothing than Euroleague MVP means nothing because it is chosen the same way by the same people!
    And I’m not going to post Childress stats again in the Euroleague playoffs, maybe he was bad in the Greek final, but getting to the Euroleague final, him or Kleiza led the team in points every game and rebounds almost every game. I mean you can say all you want about leadership and intensity but when it comes down to it the players that score the most points and grab the most rebounds have to be consider the best players on the team. And Olympiakos is better this year than last? The only way they could be better is if they actually win the Euroleague because last year they were the runners up.
    And for Steve I am counting the exhibition games starting from 2003 since that’s when they started playing again after a four year break from McDonald’s championship (which the NBA was undefeated in)
    I’m just giving the NBA victories because we all agree on the five loses.
    2003
    Memphis Grizzlies 91 FC Barcelona 81-in Barcelona
    2006
    Phoenix Suns 100 Vitus Roma 93-in Rome
    Los Angeles Clippers 98 BC Khimki 91-in Moscow
    San Antonio Spurs 97 Maccabi Tel Aviv 84-in Paris
    Phoenix Suns 119 Maccabi Tel Aviv 102-in Cologne
    Philadelphia 76ers 85 CSKA Moscow 71-in Cologne
    2007
    Minnesota Timberwolves 84 Efes Pilsen 81-in Istanbul
    Toronto Raptors 93 Virtus Roma 87-in Rome
    2009
    Utah Jazz 109 Real Madrid 87-in Madrid
    2010
    New York Knicks 125 Olimpia Milano 113-in Milan
    and I didn’t include the victories over ASVEL Lyon-Villeurbanne or CB Estudiantes because I know they are not in Euroleague
    So 10 victories, 10-5 playing on a different continent, many times in the Euroleague team’s home arena and with mixed rules the NBA teams win 2 out of 3 times
    While when it is reversed and Euroleague teams come to North America they go 2-28! Winning only 1 out of 15 times!

    This says it all. Gabe is nothing but a TROLL. He does not even have the knowledge of European basketball to know that he did NOT post 10 NBA wins against Euroleague clubs. This Gabe guy is a troll and he is only here to TROLL and insult European basketball.

    Gabe, you foolish troll you listed a game that was not even against a Euroleague team. GET OUT OF THIS FORUM since all you are here to do is troll and trash talk against European basketball, something you have consistently proven to know nothing about with your comments here.

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  65. Zoran
    14 years ago

    Oh and by the way Rob, I just looked it up, Childress led the Greek lead in scoring at 15.3 points a game. So Childress was a big scrub who just led the Greek league in scoring. And it’s not like he was on some garbage team. He was on the runner up team that went 23-3 and he was named All-Greek A1 League Team!
    So Rob it’s obvious you’re all bullshit. Childress was one of the top players in the Greek league and in Euroleague.

    This guy is just a pure troll and trash talker. IGNORE HIM

    Josh Childress pure crap in Greek finals 2 years in a row

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2008_09/a1game.asp?game=198

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2008_09/a1game.asp?game=200

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2008_09/a1game.asp?game=202

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2008_09/a1game.asp?game=204

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2009_10/a1game.asp?game=198

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2009_10/a1game.asp?game=200

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2009_10/a1game.asp?game=202

    http://galanissportsdata.com/basketball/mena1/Season2009_10/a1game.asp?game=204

    Those are the FACTS, not the “facts” that Gabe makes up. That is the undeniable proof that Josh Childress absolutely sucked big time donkey balls in the Greek Finals 2 years in a row. And Kleiza didn’t do much better either.

    If those are “Euroleague superstars” and “the best players in Europe” then guess what Gabe? Josh Childress and Linas Kleiza are also officially the two best players in the NBA. Because that is the same exact thing as the total bull shit you are claiming here.

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  66. Zoran
    14 years ago

    WTF are you here? STOP trolling this site.

    “Let’s see if they can get to the Euroleague final again”. This isn’t the NBA idiot. It is a tournament, not a league.

    Olympiacos has to play Barca in the semifinal at Barca’s home if the make the final four in all likelyhood.

    Last eyar they had to play Partizan a=in the semifinal at a neutral site and they barely beat them in overtime – barely beat the team with the second smallest budget in Euroleague.

    Partizan (with smallest budget in Euroleague) on a neutral court or Barca (with highest budget in Euroleague and defending Euroleague champs) playing on their home court……..

    and all you can say is shit like “let’s see if Olympiacos can make the Euroleague finals again this year”………

    Get out of this forum because all you don is trash talk, bash, harass, and troll this site.

    And winning the Greek Championship over Panathinaikos is much more important to Olympiacos than finishing second instead of third in Euroleague. You must have an IQ of 80 with your incredible lack of logic.

    Let me tell it to you straight out idiot Olympiacos is better this year because Nesterovich is much better than Childress and Spanoulis is much better than both Childress and Kleiza.

    So explain to me your retarded NBA bull shit crap then buddy. Childress and Kleiza played for years as 6th men on NBA playoff teams and yet Spanoulis supposedly “sucks” because he did not play in Houston. Yet, Spanoulis is doing way better so far in Olympiacos than Childress and Kleiza did.

    Explain that genius. Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is because in Houston Spanouli’s coach refused tom play him because he hated European players? He is BETTER than Childress and Kleiza.

    Gabe you are a true Ugly American. Your arrogance, attitude, trash talking, xenophobia, patriotism, ignorance, idiocy, fascist like comments are all pure classic signs of the Ugly American syndrome.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      I looked at those games and he still didn’t do so bad, in fact in two of them he lead Olympiacos in points, including one victory. But the facts are he led the Greek led in scoring on a team that went 23-3 and was named All-Greek A1 League team and All-Euroleague team. I know are you insecure Euros wanted Childress to fail but the fact is he lead your little league in scoring and was voted one of the top five players in the league by your fellow Greeks. btw Greek league MVP Mike Batiste??
      And we’re talking about who they had to match up to get into the finals last year? Partizan won their quarter finals match while Panethinaikos couldn’t even advance out of the top 16 and they were in the same group as Partizan who beat them 64-59.
      And maybe Spanoulis didn’t play because he sucked in the NBA. 2.7 points, 0.9 assists and shot 32 percent in 31 games off the bench. Here is what his coach said about him:
      “(Spanoulis) says, ‘I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.’ Great. McGrady is McGrady here,” .. “I feel badly for him. He feels he was misled. Frankly, he’s been his own worst enemy in many ways. Some of it is excuses. His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting percentage has been low. I would rather anybody start out with self-evaluation — what can I do better? — versus lash out and blame. Because I’m not playing him now doesn’t mean he won’t play in the future or we don’t feel he could be a good player. I think he’s allowed his disappointment to go to discouragement, which has, at times, stunted his improvement. We’ll see. We’ll see.”

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  67. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    I agree with Zoran on what he said about Olympiacos and the Euroleague, I disagree on NBA being “crap” but I will not expand on that.

    It’s true, for us the Greek Championship is as important as the Euroleague.
    Don’t forget that in the finals we re facing(99%) the most winning team of the Euroleague during the 2000s (4 times – 2000, 2002, 2007, 2009),
    so that makes it both difficult and important.

    Also want to stress out the importance in this year’s team of
    Rasho Nesterovic and especially Vasilis Spanoulis(Red-Span).
    Erceg and Halperin are also improved since last year,
    but what really played a huge part in the team’s improvement was the return of Dusan Ivkovic.

    I agree with the Celtics fan, I have the utmost respect for Red Auerbach.
    There are lots of important things that do not appear in stats.
    You don’t have clutch performance in stats, you don’t have stats about performance of a player when the team needs him-regardless of the opponent.

    Red Auerbach said
    “the ability to rise to occasions, that’s what makes greatness”.
    David Rivers and Eddie Johnson had that regardless of the opponent, they wanted to lead the team, they even wanted the last shots.
    Childress and Kleiza did not.
    M.Tomic also had it.

    The Greek Cup final is off at moment.
    Very bad for our games-schedule.

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  68. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    Remember Maurice Evans playing for Olympiacos?
    He was an arrogant ass.

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  69. Niko
    14 years ago

    Gabe is just here to antagonize. Childress’ stats were horrible in those games. Just add them up. AWFUL stats and played AWFUL and his team lost both series 3-1. Gabe comes back with “Childress didn;t play that bad” and he was “one of the best players in Europe”.

    This Gabe is seriously delusional.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      As I said, Childress led the Greek League in scoring and was voted All-Greek League A1 Team and All-Euroleague second team.
      And since we like putting up box scores here is the Bronze medal game between Kleiza’s Lithuania and Teodosic’s Serbia.

      http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/p/gid/A/grid/79/rid/6948/game.html

      Kleiza dominated the game winning a bronze medal while Teodosic disappeared and won nothing.

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  70. Diego
    14 years ago

    As for Spanoulis I don’t care what the hell Jeff Van Gundy said or thought about him. He could have a very good career in the NBA if his coach gave him a fair chance. In the Olympics, EuroBasket and World Championship he has consistently outplayed and outperformed NBA players when he played against them.

    He has even outplayed Team USA players in a couple of games.

    And I look at European point guards that are playing in the NBA now like Jose Calderon that starts in the NBA, Beno Udrih that starts in the NBA. Goran Dragic that gets a lot of minutes in the NBA, Tony Parker that is considered a “star” in the NBA.

    Spanoulis is a far superior player to Calderon, Dragic, and Udrih. Not one of them is as good as Spanoulis at all. He’s much better of a player than they are. And Spanoulis is basically as good as Parker is, except that he is a much better shooter and has a lot more ragne than Parker.

    Over the years Spanoulis and Parker have played many times against each other with their national teams even from youth level. Spanoulis has always played him even or outplayed him. If Tony Parker actually was a good 3 point shooter, truth be told he would be as good as Spanoulis is.

    Jeff Van Gundy must be a true moron and idiot and is probably why he was fired from the Rockets and why he never got another coaching job in the NBA.

    I tell you this, Spanoulis is the ONLY Greek player that people in Spain truly fear when Greece plays Spain. He is a killer. He is one of the best big game players I have ever seen and I have been following basket since the 1980s. For me he is one of the most biggest players of the world. I watch NBA all the time and I have seen Spanoulis play Team USA plenty. Spanoulis is much better than most American ballers.

    He could be an all star in the NBA easily if he was given a fair chance. We have Spanish point guards like Calderon, Sergio Rodriguez and now they are saying Rubio playing for NBA and they are not half the player Spanoulis is.

    Rudy plays in NBA and I would take Spanoulis over him every time and not even think about it. He is for me right with Navarro as the best in Europe and most serious basketball people I know in Spain think the same. Look at recent Team USA point guards from 2006-2010 like Kirk Hinrich, Chauncey Billups, Stephen Curry, old man Jason Kidd. Spanoulis is a much better player than any of them. He could make Team USA roster with no problem if he was invited to the training.

    I think not only does Gabe not know the basket in Europe but he does not know even the basket in NBA or in general areas. If he really thinks Spanoulis cannot play in NBA then he is retarded. He probably thinks even Navarro cannot play in NBA. He probably is one of NBA retard fans that think that Bodiroga could not even play NBA.

    I have to say the truth is I just laugh at this idiot.

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  71. Diego
    14 years ago

    Childress led Greek league in scoring? So what?

    Steven Smith and Anthony Grundy also did. And many other players. Are you retarded or are you just playing games here?

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  72. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    gabe shut up …please you are so stupid …. kleiza dominted in bronze medal game ??? yeah right that game was classing shootaround serbian team was so tired afther lossing semis wich was a little bit stolen from them …so they did had such motivation ,and teodosic didt disapear in that game ..he had 10 points and couple of asissts ,and look how kleiza disapered in semi finals against americans ,well he was not clutch even in win against argentina in quarter finals ,so shut up!!!!!!!!!!!! you want to say that kleiza is more cutlch then teodosic ????? well go ahed facts speak for them … ask anybody who are the most cluthc players in europe ,nobody will mention kleiza ..everybody will mention teodosic .. so FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Erik-7
      14 years ago

      Spanoulis is a clutch performer and shooter,
      Diamantidis is a clutch performer and shooter,
      Teodosic is a clutch shooter.
      Kleiza and Josh were not.

      Where are you from Dzoni?!

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      People always complain that American players come to Europe arrogant, well Spanaoulis did that in America. He thought that since he was a star in Europe he deserved playing time, but being a star in Europe means nothing in the NBA. You have to earn your minutes like everyone else and he did not. Here were his NBA stats:
      GP MPG FG% FT% 3PT% PPG RPG APG SPG TOPG
      31 8.8 31.9 81.0 17.2 2.7 0.7 0.9 0.2 0 .9
      Spanaoulis has never won gold in a global tournament. He had that one good game against the USA in 2006 and then chocked and could not win the final. Since then he has got his ass kicked by USA and this summer his team placed 11th, worse than Brazil!
      And your excuse about team Serbia, tired? no motivation? Kleiza and Lithuania kicked their asses and showed some pride winning a bronze while Teodosic left Turkey with nothing.

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  73. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    and about olypiacos …you think they will not be better without childress and kleiza ??? you must be realy stupid to think that …. they got euroelague MVP for 2009/2010 teodosic ,final four MVP 2007 spanulis ,euroleague MVP for 2006/2007 papaloukas … great center in nesterovic ,also in bourusis,good young players erceg,papanikolau,keselj …and most importantly great couch in ivkovic ,and much much much better team play then last year ,last year there was no team game cause childress and kleiza imagend that they are in nba,so there was a lot more isolation play and stuff like that …but this year they are playing as a real team …. and if thet dont go in the final this year that doesnt mean they are not better then last year,cause last year they played very badd team in quarter finals prokom ,prokom was the weakes team in quaeter finals last year …this year they are playing siena wich is in comparation to last years prokom ,like lakers and indiana ,so you are realy stupid man i am telling you this for your good go off this site and never come back ,and watch your stupid league nba or whaterver …

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  74. Dimitri
    14 years ago

    Is so funny compare last year;s Prokom at playoffs and last year’s Partizan playing in a neutral court at semifinals to what Olympiacos would see this year with Siena at the playoffs and then Barca probably at the semifinal playing in their home city.

    Gabe says Olympiacos of this year must be worse than last year’s Olympiacos team “unless they at least reach the Euroleague final.”

    Yes because Prokom and Partizan at a neutral court is the same level of opponent as Siena and Barca playing at home. SURE………………………………….

    Gabe is one of the best examples of the NBA only fan I have seen. He is actually claiming that Prokom and Partizan at a neutral court is the same level of opposition as Siena and Barca at their home.

    LMFAO

    Oh and about the whole idea that Childress and Kleiza are more clutch players than Teodosic…………….words can’t even describe. IMHO Pelekanos is more clutch than Childress and Kleiza

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  75. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    erik-7 i am from serbia ,and gabe serbia didnt return home empty hands … they are champions in our eyes ,they are national heros ,the way they lost semifinal they could easyly be in final .. and some mistekes by refferes in that game ,never minde ,yeah lithuania played better in semifinal ..cause they lost pretty easy to USA and they were fresh for bronze medal game ,seriba played very very very hard game ( phisigly and mentaly ) against turkey in fron of 20 000 turkish fans ,so it is pretty obivusl that they were so mentaly low in that time !!!!! you go watch your stupid league and leave europe alone ,tell me one person who thinks that lithuania is better then serbia right now ,one person ,everybody knows serbia is better team,with better players ,they played better in that game…i cant understand how you can say he left turkey with nothing they played great final (and at least silver medal) was taken away from them…and they are the youngest team in world championship ,gabe please go off this page ,you are making us all here waste our time with you who dont know nothing about europe basketball …

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  76. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    and gabe you say spanoulis never won global competion ??? do you even have clue how hard is to win on world championship or olypics ???????????? and they are playing every 4 years ,so it is not that often …did tim ducnan won global competition ???? paul pierce ??? tracy mcgrady ???rip hamilton ??? baron davis ??? jermayne o neal ??? monta ellis ??? kevin garnet ??? rajon rondo ???? vince carter ???? nooooooo no one of them has global competition gold medal in their careers ,but they are all great players arnt they ??? so if spanuolis didnt won it that doesnt mean that he is not clutch of great player !!!!!!!

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Kevin Garnett and Vince Carter both won a gold medal in the 2000 Olympics.

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  77. Dimitri
    14 years ago

    What is this had not won gold in a global tournament bull shit? 90% or more of NBA players have never in their lives won gold in any global tournament. You really are just a dickhead.

    As for Serbia they should have been in the final you moron Gabe. They beat Turkey but the refs rigged the game.

    And Gabe the USA has NOT won any global tournament as you call it in a long time. In 2008 Olympics the final against Spain was rigged. In 2010 the whole tournament was rigged for USA and Turkey to make the final and for USA to win.

    The USA didn’t win shit without refs rigging thing in many years. You sound like such an incredible asshole.

    “Spanoulis is arrogant”. Really? WTF are you Gabe? Talking about “global competitions”. Talking about Serbia didn’t do this Serbia didn’t do that. Yeah, Serbia lost because of the crooked refs. The same reason USA beat Russia. If not for the crooked refs then Russia beats the US and Serbia beats Turkey.

    And about Greece and 11th place the refs rigged the game with Spain against them too. Reading your comments Gabe it really is something hilarious. If Spanoulis is “arrogant” then you are a cocky bastard of epic proportions.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Dimitri, now the nut cases have come out. Yes when the USA wins it is rigged. When Serbia or Greece loses it is rigged. The reason Tunisia lost all their games and didn’t make it to the final, it was rigged. It’s the referees fault your team lost. The final excuse of losers.

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  78. DEARGGABE
    14 years ago

    guys i am euro basketball fan but the usa was the best in both 2008 and 2010…no denying…serbia were robbed by turkey, that was a fiba conspiracy or just a terrible mistake…no point to compare euro basket to nba..different game…..both great…gabe is an idiot…teodosic last year was the best player ….

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  79. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    i am completlu agreed with DEARGGABE ,you are right yeah USA won 2008 and 2010 ,but seriba was robbed ,or it was great,great great mistake on refeers ,they should watch replay and see that tunceri was in out when he mayde first step….and yeah vince carter and kevin garnet have 2000 olimpic gold …but like dimitry worte 90 % of NBA player has no global comeptition gold medals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Yes but most of the great ones do. 80% of the all-star starters have gold and 2/3’s of the all-stars in general have fiba gold.

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  80. Sino
    14 years ago

    2008 Olympics and 2010 World Championship were rigged for USA. They call the games 80-20 for the USA in every game. FIBA and Olympics is a rigged joke. And Team USA players still do not get drug tested.

    US media made up so many lies that they get tested.

    Both Athens and Beijing Olympic committee admitted no testing was done of any American basketball players.

    Just like how Taurasi is supposedly clean and goes to Turkey and immediately gets busted for doping. Same with Juan Dixon.

    It is a fact that both Athens and Beijing Olympic committees said Team USA was not tested. USA is a bunch of doping CHEATERS.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Show proof, life a link an official link, not a blog. Because without it you are just a sore loser.

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  81. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    @ Dzoni: from Serbia? Always a pleasure to talk with a brother!

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  82. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    @ Erik-7 ,yeah Grecee and Serbia brothers !! :))) i am big olypiacos fan :)) ,and i am realy hoping they will win euroleague ,or at least greek league :))) ,and hope that greece has good tournament in lithania 2011 ,you will miss diamantidis but still sofo is playing career year,spanoulis is always good ,bourusis also ;))

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  83. Sino
    14 years ago

    Gabe you are a fucking bull shit loser. China and Greek Olympic committee both said no American basketball players were tested. On Greek news it showed the US army with loaded guns blocking the testers from even going near the NBA players.

    Also the ref in charge of 2008 games even admitted that she was instructed to call the games and rig them for USA. She even told this to the media.

    But loser moron Gabe does not know this because he is a brainwashed moron. Go play in NBA forums like realgm with all the other inner city black kids with IQs of 80.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Hahahahaha Yeah the United States was there to protect US players from the testers with orders to shoot to kill if anyone follows them to the bathroom with a urine test kit. Show me any link to any official source that says that. Man, you are desperate aren’t you? It’s very hard to admit defeat isn’t it? 😉

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  84. deargabe
    14 years ago

    sino, gabe might be a fat ugly pink american gay….but the USA in 2008 and 2010 was the best team……in 2008 by a lot, in 2010 not by much…they had an easier route to the finals,, missing the two teams which I think could have beaten them, spain and serbia (serbia was cheated)…the real final would have been serbia-usa…if not for durant i think they would have lost to russia, he was amazing….european basketball and nba are both great there is no point arguing…slome players are suited to one, others to the other…childress was terible in europe…he go the ball alot so scored a bit but was so inefficient, slow, turn over prone….he just had a large contract and was treated like a star…t say kleiza was not dominant however is stupid, he was……….so spanoulis was not good in the nba, so what,,he has beaten nba players in national team scoring over 20 in the semi final of 2006……dejan bodirogA, with djordjevic, petrovic and gallis the greates guard in euro history himselfsaid he wouldnt go to nba becausse he wasnt suited to it…in the national team he won everyhting and beat usa many time…so its a stupid argument…goran dragic was not a big deal in europe, but in america he is…gabe is just a gay idiot wo obviously knows nothing about basketball (he spend his whole life on internet and thus has no time to actually PLAY the game itself like im sure everyone else here does!) so ignore his fat ugly whining ignorant eamerican ass that msot of us would beat and rob if he came here…(i have done it haha americcan tourists make me money and their girlfriends like some real man dick not that of fat gay)

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    • Erik-7
      14 years ago

      You know Nicos Gallis?!
      That definitely brings back memories!!

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      I’m gay deargabe? I fucked your mom last night how gay is that? Is she a man? You talk so much shit on the internet it’s a joke. I know in real life you’re a fucking pussy and would never talk to me like that in my face. You’re real tough talking shit to me anonymously over the internet. Your mom, sister and girlfriend are all whores.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      And Goran Dragic is not a “big deal” in the NBA. He had that one good playoff game against the Spurs last year and has now dissappeared. The Suns even traded him, I think to Houston. And 2010 you could say USA was even more dominant because they were never challenged in the playoffs. Yes they only beat Russia by ten but I think that was the closest Russia got in the second half it wasn’t like the gold medal game against Spain where Spain got within 2 points in the 4th. USA beat Lithuania and Turkey to win gold and both of those teams lost no games in 2010 exceot to the USA. While Spain lost four games (once to Lithuania) and Serbia lost three (once to Lithuania and Turkey)!

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  85. Erik-7
    14 years ago

    @ Dzoni: nice to have you in our red&white family bro!
    head over to youtube if you want,
    and enjoy 2 of our team’s most glorious moments from the mid90s:
    type these in the search box:

    olympiakos vs barcelona 73-58 1997 euroleague final

    Olympiakos vs PAO 73-38 Greek League 1996 Final

    (against european champions panathinaikos, but without Dominique Wilkins)

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  86. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    @ Erik-7 yeah i know that games i watched some highlights 2 great victoryies :)) i hope this season they will have a few games like that :)) and gabe look for exaple at DEJAN BODIROGA one of the best euro players ever ,definetly best small foward that ever played (from europe ofcourse) he didnt played a minute in NBA and he won 2 world champiochips ,3 eurobaskets and had silver from olimpics ….and in every global competition he outplayed best stars in world like : pippen,regie miller,hardaway,baron davis,paul pierce…. list goes on and on so fuck off go try to make a layup 😉

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Dzoni, you must be talking about 2002, the one global competition where Bordiroga beat NBA stars. And Pippen is undefeated in global competition with two Olympic gold medals so it wasn’t against him.

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  87. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    well gabe look the facts ,only 2 teams that could realy,realy chalegend USA were serbia and spain ,lithuania had just one center and weak bench,turkey didnt got so much versatility in offense,turkey guards are not as creative and good as spains or serbians,and it would be diferent final if spain or seriba were in it ,well SERBIA ACTUALY SHOULD BE IN FINAL CAUSE IT IS STOLEN FROM THEM !!!!!!! i dont say that serbia would win against usa in finals ,but would lost certanly with much,much,much lower margin then turkey,or lithania ….

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Okay. We’ll never know. It’s just that Serbia lost to Turkey and Lithuania so it’s hard to say claim they would have faired better.

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  88. Apollo
    14 years ago

    “Global competition” LMFAO

    The NBA is a US-Canada competition and the US only won the last Olympics and World Championship because the games were rigged by the refs. Gabe is a damn disgrace.

    It is true that the testers were block by the US army from testing US basketball players in 2004. It was aired several times live on Greek news on TV showing the US army barracks where the American players played and how the armed guards blocked the testers from entering.

    Gabe is just another brainwashed idiot American that has no freaking clue that they even live in a police state.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Hi Apollo, how did your World Championship predictions go?! No the NBA is the top league in the world that is why the NBA champions are world champions.
      Saying the games are rigged is the final excuse of a loser. USA World and Olympic champs biaatch. Any more excuses loser.

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  89. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    Gabe i am also talking about finals of 1996 olympics where usa beat yugoslavia only in 4 quarter until them was even game …when divac fould out ..never minde ,bodiroga scholled all nba satrs with his pump fakes,jab steps,post up ….

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      You’re going to say he out played Pippin in a game they lost by 26?

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  90. deargabe
    14 years ago

    gabe i would say it to your face because you are a white yanki anglo saxon bitch who obviously spend his whole life on computer….dont be jealous because our countries have the pretiest girls, all the best pornstars are from there ….we dont want your fat pig tourists hahah we just rob them and leave them dead…smrt vsima amerikantsam bitch ti riempio di proeittili gringo di merda…you are bitch ass you get fucked up everyday…………yo are the one looking for fight here so you are the pussy no fuck you and go write on other websites

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Sorry, what was the deargabe. I was fucking your whore of a mother. You’re bragging about having porn stars and being a petty thief. You sound like a real winner you punk ass bitch. Come here to America, NYC to be exact and I will fuck your biaach ass up. Your whole fucking family is shit. Your wife is a whore. Your daughter is a whore.
      And I keep telling you I’m not Anglo Saxon, not that there is anything wrong with being Anglo Saxon. You better watch yourself or I might have to make a special trip to you’re backwards ass country just to fuck you up. Nah, if I’m going to travel I’ll go to some exotic place in Asia or South America, not the “old country” that now is just starting to look like American anyway and is filled with bitch ass pussies like yourself. It’s very easy to insult someone on the internet isn’t it faggot ass bitch?

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  91. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    aaaaaaaaa gabe you are so stupid they lost game by 26 in last quarter when divac was fould out ,i sugets you to watch game first !!!!!! and them comment you stupid fag!!!! until 35 minute of that game it was and even match ,and bodiroga schoolled them all ,so fuck off gabe ,go play yout stupid streetball in wich every person has IQ below 20!!!

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Fuck you fagot. So Bodiroga played great for 35 minutes and then fell apart? What are great player.

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  92. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    hey you moron he was young player at that time !!!!!! go to wikipedia and learn something !!!! ask anybody whos the best european small foward ever !!!!!!! he won 2 world championships in a row !!!!! 1998 and 2002 and he was MVP of the tournament on bouth of that championships !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he had 27 points in final against argentina !!!!!!! in 2002 !!!!! so shut up stupid fagot ,how can you even comment one star like that ,who dominted all his oponets ,just look how he scholled one of your big stars !!!!!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQEzmPKdqt4&feature=related

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  93. Gabe
    14 years ago

    Yes, but that was only two points and his team lost that game by 18 points and placed 11th out of 12 teams in the Olympics. You made it seem that he outplayed NBA stars many times, while in fact only one game, in 2002 did he actually beat NBA stars. The only other two times he faced them, the gold medal game in 1996 and the friendly in 2004 his team lost by double digits. Basketball is a team sport. It doesn’t matter how many points you score or nice moves you make, if you team loses the game you can’t claim to have “outplayed” the competition.
    And in 2000 when USA won gold Bodiroga and Yugoslavia placed 6th so he couldn’t even reach playing the US.

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  94. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    hehe you are funny guy you know that ??? marcoulonis ,sabonis,gasol are not NBA stars ???? he outplayed all of them,USA team 2 times ,yes it is a team sport ,but in 1996 he outplayed everybody who guarded him in that game ….you can say whatever you want he was phenomenal player : 2 world championships ,3 eurobasket gold medals,one olimpic silver ,MVP of 1998 and 2002 world championship,3 time all eurolague first team,euroleahue MVP,euroleague final four MVP 2002,2003 ,2 time euroleague champion ,with 2 diferent teams … he is also in 50 best european players ever ,and in 12 best players ever in euroleague ,so you can say whatever you want ,but facts speak for themselfs,one of the best euro player that ever played the game ,certanly best european small foward ,alone side with tony kukoc ,bouth have been fantastic players ,and you cant denie that…

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      No I don’t

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  95. Zoran
    14 years ago

    This freaking moron Gabe claims the NBA champion is the “world champion” – why the hell is this huge TROLL not banned from here?

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      I guess you don’t watch the NBA because the champions are called the world champions. And I agree that the champions of the top professional league can refer to themselves as world champions, as seperate from the world champions of FIBA national teams.

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  96. Igor
    14 years ago

    Greg Popovich even said himself that it is absurd to call the NBA champ the “world champion” and that the NBA should be ashamed of itself for claiming that.

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  97. Igor
    14 years ago

    Also,

    http://www.euroleague.net/features/interviews/euroleague-2010-11/i/83197/4936/rasho-nesterovic-olympiacos

    Rasho, you are probably the best person to compare the Euroleague you left in 1999 and the one you found in 2010. What differences have you seen?

    “I think it’s a big difference now. European basketball has gotten much closer to the NBA, especially with the 24-second clock. Now, a lot of teams play much faster. In 1999, there were still 30-second offenses and the game was much slower. I remember that when I won with Kinder in the final in 1998 against AEK, the score was 58-44. Now, teams score 70 or 80 points in 40 minutes easily. It’s much faster and closer to the NBA, and that’s the biggest difference now.”

    and yet this moron Gabe is talking shit about how the NBA compares to Euroleague and bringing up shit from 25 years ago. what a damn loser.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      No, I was being sarcastic. I was talking about Euroleague five years ago and saying it’s not like I was talking about Euroleague 25 years ago.

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  98. Erik
    14 years ago

    Hey dumb ass. The Euroleague from 5 years ago wasn’t even HALF as good as it is now. The others are right. You are a true retard.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      You’re trying to tell me in 5 years Euroleague has gotten more than twice as good? Five years ago is hardly anything. Most of the same players are probably still playing. In fact 5 years ago was the last time Team USA lost a fame when they lost to a Greece team filled with Euroleague players. If Euroleague is so much better now you would think team USA would have had even more trouble last year in the WC but they had an easier time,not even being challenged in the knockout stage.

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  99. Goran
    14 years ago

    It is 3-4 times better than it was then you moron.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Man it must have really sucked five years ago then! Those awards and championships that Papaloukas, Jasikevicius and Diamantidis won can’t mean much!!

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  100. Derek
    14 years ago

    The stats show the Euroleague is better than the NBA. John Hollinger likes to constantly post a statistical formula where he says that Euroleague players drop their PER by 30% when they go to the NBA. He claims he actually measured this statistically.

    Strangely enough, he has never changed that in about the last 7-8 years now. You would think that number would not stay exactly the same for the last 7-8 years.

    I did my own PER calculation of players that have played in both the NBA and in the Euroleague and compared their PERs in both leagues and then compared the averages by percentage.

    The result is a 50% lower PER in the Euroleague than in the NBA on average. So that means that according to Hollinger’s player efficiency rating formula, the average NBA player will be half as good in the Euroleague as he was in the NBA.

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    • Gabe
      14 years ago

      Yeah, like Childress and Klieza

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  101. fan
    14 years ago

    how is KK Split doing at the moment? Are they back on their feet?

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