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Lakers scout: “Germany biggest hope for European basketball”; L.A. interested in Maik Zirbes?

March 3, 2012

Former Real Madrid/current Los Angeles Lakers scout Antonio Maceiras visited Germany last week, including a stop in Bamberg to watch Brose Baskets destroy TBB Trier (no, seriously: Just look at this box score). Naturally, this gave BallinEurope contributor David Hein the opportunity to chat with the man about working for the Los Angeles Lakers and with his old compadre Ettore Messina; the state of European basketball; and what the Lake Show might do about that bugaboo of a no. 3 spot, among other topics.

Most significantly from BiE’s perspective, however, was Maceiras’ take on Germany’s ambitious Bundesliga. From a European hoops expert’s standpoint, his quote was intriguing indeed.

Said Maceiras: “When I was coming to the gym [tonight], I was thinking Germany is really the biggest hope for European basketball, if not the latest hope. I think the organization here is great. The teams are real professional organizations and very consistent. And this is the biggest market in Europe. And also the ethics of the German people is great for basketball. The combination is excellent. It’s just a matter of keeping the development that German basketball started some years ago. I think the league is getting better all the time. The teams are good and the organization of the games is good. The attendance is good. And I think this Bayern Munich project is something that can really push not just German but European basketball. So, in my opinion, they are going in the right [direction], and if they keep going how they are going then they have all the tools to become the best domestic league in Europe.”

As for European player development, Maceiras sees little more than continued improvement: “I think the European players’ level is continually improving. You just need to look and see how many Europeans are playing in the NBA. Some people think this is because the American players’ level went down, but it’s not that. And you also realize this when you watch international competitions. European players are becoming better and better and you are finding more and more talented players. I think European basketball needs to find a consistent organization [and] consistent national leagues, to be the sport they deserve to be.”

The entire heinnews interview with Maceiras may be read here, but certainly the news of greatest interest to Lakers and NBA fans does not appear on the webpage. While Hein closed the interview with an effort to elicit the target of the Lakers’ fancy on this particular trip, Maceiras dodged with “I prefer to not talk about that, but you could just check the ages of the players.”

In a subsequent chat with between yours truly and Mr. Hein, the sportswriter guessed that, though Maceiras didn’t say so, he was at the game to see Trier’s Maik Zirbes. And since Mr. Hein is A Man Who Knows Things, BiE will definitely give this conjecture some credence.

“So,” comes the cry from So Cal, “who is this Maik Zirbes?”

Well, checking the age as suggested, BiE can tell you Zirbes turned 22 in late January. Already the starting center for Trier, Zirbes’ 2.07-meter (6’9½”) height would probably force him out to a forward spot in the NBA. Luckily, his shooting touch – scorching hot as of late with a 69.6% (39-of-56) success rate in his past eight Bundesliga games – and rebounding (Zirbes is averaging 6.8 boards per game, including 3.0 offensively) seem to indicate the necessarily versatility in the frontcourt.

Plus, Zirbes’ hops are good enough to have earned him entry into the BEKO BBL dunking contest as part of Germany’s all-star game festivities in January.

In terms of international play, just last week the FIBA Europe official website speculated that Zirbes might be on Svetislav Pesic’s shortlist for the Team Germany roster heading into Eurobasket 2013. Zirbes was last seen on the pan-Continental stage in 2010 as part of Germany’s FIBA U20 European Championship Men’s side; in that tournament, he started in all nine games for Deutschland, averaging a line of 11.7 ppg and 6.8 rbg.

From the Trusted Opinions file, EuropeanProspects noted back in December – following the previous Bamberg-Trier meeting, in fact – that Zirbes was “playing an excellent season so far.” Zirbes, explains the site, “mainly scores out of pick-and-roll situations created by his PG Dru Joyce. [Zirbes] rolls well to the basket and knows how to open up for either the direct pass out of the pick or with the opening pass to the wing player. He has good hands and can finish these plays around the basket with either the strong dunk (when open) or the more finesse play on the layup…

“[What] Zirbes has improved, though, is his game in the low post. He scored several times over Tibor Pleiß in a variety of ways. He started with a nice left-handed hook shot and then had a Olajuwonesque low post move with two fakes and a double spin to get open. This move was very impressive and we have never seen him do anything like that before. In the second half, Zirbes also opened up against Pleiß to play him face-to-face and beat him on the dribble over the baseline to score with the foul…

“On the defensive end, Zirbes has improved his boxing out but remains a limited rebounder […] He only averages 3.6 defensive rebounds in nearly 29 minutes on the court which is not great. However, he has a very good 3.2 offensive boards per game which gives him a multitude of second chances. The main weakness, though, remains his lateral speed and defensive footwork where he gets beat quite often. He is not able to stop big guys who face him to play the drive. He often has to commit fouls in these situations which is a problem for him and the team. In the long term, he needs to work on this…

“Overall, Zirbes can become an option for some NBA teams that want to take a gamble in the second round even if he lacks a bit of size for the top level. After two seasons with good numbers and minutes in Trier, the next season might become crucial for him as he has to decide if he feels ready for making the next step and trying himself out on a Eurocup/Euroleague level team or stay another season close to his roots.”

The ever-reliable DraftExpress, meanwhile, has Zirbes at no. 5 within its international class of 1990 rankings as of early February, up from a previous standing at no. 17.

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Comments: 10
  1. BISCAYNE
    11 years ago

    I bet this guy doesn’t know Spain or Greece or Turkey or Italy :/ Yeah Germany is improving but the competition is no where near the leagues i mentioned. Maybe due to the economic cuts you can say that Greece League is not that competitive but still ACB and BBL(Germany and Turkey are both sponsored by Beko) are the best domestic leagues at the moment.
    Also saying that Germany is the biggest hope for European Basketball is clearly an over estimation. Just look at the last 10 years.France,Spain and Turkey are the countries that had the most representatives in NBA.

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  2. AL
    11 years ago

    What this guy is saying is that for Europe’s basketball to grow and become relevant, a shift from the Mediterranean axis of evil to Germany must happen. In his wishful thinking he praises the “ethic” of the german people and the always improving quality of the league.

    I guess shady places like Spain, Italy, Greece or Turkey are not very marketable for this good sir.

    The ACB hulk-smashes the wrong BBL in every sense of this sport. I think the Mediterranean axis should make their own untouchable domestic league. Even the Euroleague would become irrelevant entertainment wise.

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  3. That guy
    11 years ago

    You two aren’t able to think in a broader way than comparing the competion’s current levels, are you? Of course, it is generally questionable to compare different peoples’ “ethics”, but the crucial point here is that the German Bundesliga is a self-funding company, while most of the big European clubs are dependend of external fundings, which is a big issue these days.

    That said, I’m also doubtful about the generally euphoric tone of the statement quoted. Apart from the sole game broadcast live every week, basketball still doesn’t happen on the media here. And the increase of attendance rates will come to a halt, probably sooner than Mr. Maceiras seems to expect. Basketball in Germany is primaly based in small-to-midsized towns and cities, and while this local basis is pretty strong, it cannot be carried seamlessly to the national or even the continental level. This refers not only to the attendance and the sponsorship, but also the players’ development on youth level, the other structural problem of German basketball.

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  4. BISCAYNE
    11 years ago

    I am not saying that Germany is growing and probably will be at a much more respectable place at the highest level of competition but to do that you need to compete every single year with many teams and with consistency,which needs some luck(some unknown players turning out great/minimum injuries/raising good players…) , good planing/managment and investment over years. In order to supply that investment you need to attract sponsors thus the external funding. Finding a good sponsor is a much easier way to compete then self-funding.
    For example the new arena of Fenerbahce Ulker was funded by Ulker. Fenerbahçe could have built that but with their sponsors help they created a great investment without cutting the budget of their team that much. Btw even with that help they needed to cut the budget so that they can finish it this season but that hurt the team so much,they lost a chance to compete in F4 in their home court BUUUT it is another story )

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  5. Erik
    11 years ago

    The German League is terrible. The only thing it has decent arenas and some clubs with good attendance. other than that it’s awful. And the only club that has any money if Bayern, and they are only at a 7 million euros budget (quite small by Euroleague standards) and they have only even allocated a 10 million euros budget for if they made the Euroleague.

    Brose is a well run club with good fans, but they don’t have the budget to compete. 8 million euros budget won’t get it done in Euroleague.

    ALBA has a great arena and great fans, but they don’t have the budget to compete either at 7-8 million euros a year (8 if they are in Euroleague).

    Besides that, the basic quality of the players and coaches is lacking. For example, compared to the Greek League, it might seem that the German League would better due to finances, arenas, attendance…..but the players and coaches are way worse.

    A 10 place Greek club would be better than all but 3 teams in Germany.

    So I think he is being REALLY optimistic here with these predictions. They have some potential with Brose, ALBA, and Bayern, but all 3 of those clubs would need to get much bigger budgets, and 2 of them would need to get better arenas.

    The rest of the German clubs are not showing any potential at all.

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  6. david
    11 years ago

    on a german bundesliga club players are paid full and in time. compare that to greek basketball 😉

    the german league isnt playing the best basketball you can have but the majority of clubs is healthy and have a small but realiable fanbase.
    being second or third sport behind football this isnt bad at all

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  7. BISCAYNE
    11 years ago

    But still that lefts ACB and TBL as the second and third national leagues respectively. Recently in Turkey the team with most trouble with player wages in past years a.k.a Beşiktaş became insanely competitive by simply changing their management so the funding is there you just need to manage it well.
    I live in Turkey so i can say that Basketball has a reliable fan base. There are 4 big clubs just in Istanbul (Beşiktaş-Anadolu Efes-Galatasaray-Fenerbahçe Ulker) and those clubs have separate arenas which are quite full every match. Given the rivalry between them you cant say that they are the same people. Well one city does not determine that reliability so i should give another example like Bandırma. Bandırma is a city with nearly 140.000 population and they have 2 teams in TBL. Banvit is playing at EuroCup level and Bandırma Kırmızı is a development team with young prospects such as Şafak Edge. Even though B.Kırmızı will probably relegate this season they still managed to beat likes of Fenerbahçe Ulker. This shows the competition of the league. Even the weakest can beat one of the strongest.

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    • Akbar
      11 years ago

      Voyons aussi comment va re9agir la FIBA : Mainini ne prruoa sans doute pas rester silencieux sur ces attaques venant de son ancienne fe9de9ration. Cela risque de chauffer..

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  8. manuel
    11 years ago

    the critics about maik zirbes’ defense rebounding ist not the whole truth. the team is very good in boxing out. in trier the big guys are boxing out, so the guards can catch a lot of defense rebounds. they don’t play for the stats, they play for the victory.

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  9. Aleksandar Zoran
    11 years ago

    everybody is make a huge deal out of nothing he never said that the German league is or will be the best league in the future, he is simply stating the fact that the organization of the league is better then the standard European league, including the ACB or the Greek and Turkish league, because of the ethic with which most German work as simple as, nothing more

    he also said that Germany is the biggest European market which is true, Germany’s economy is the 3rd biggest in the world only behind the USA and Japan in that order, so yes economically speaking it does make sames to have a successful league and develop basketball in Germany if the Euro-league wants to grow. it;s like NBA not having a team in New York, when NY is your biggest market, it’s almost a requirement to succeed for the nba to have a team in NY because for the nba having NY around means more fans, which also means more tickets sold, more jersey sold, broader fan base, more exposer in the media since we are talking about he biggest media market too and as a result more revenue in general, which also means more money for the league to spend in better quality players as well as to advertise the league better and being able to afford high quality sport facilities for both your personnel and the fans

    so basically the Euroleague needs Germany badly, economically speaking.

    and it has nothing to do with the level of play of a league, the depth of the team of each league or the quality of the players, so yeah Germany is in fact Europe biggest hope

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