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Poll: Which European NBAer should be in the BallinEurope logo?

November 21, 2012

Welcome to phase two of BallinEurope’s new logo project – yes, it’s officially a project now. Thanks to everyone for weighing in with some really excellent suggestions and critiques.

As culled from the feedback, BiE has decided to give consideration to a few good tips. Firstly, the suggestion that perhaps both players in the logo should be reworked gained some ground among the commentators and BiE liked it as well. To this end, this week’s poll will focus on a European player currently in the NBA; keeping the traditional Bearded Man, a.k.a. “Pau” is also an option.

The favorite has probably got to be considered Ricky Rubio and yes, the argument that since “80% of articles [on BallinEurope] talk about the Living YouTube clip, Ricky just has to be on the logo, there is no doubt about it” is a salient one – though it should be noted that only about 6% of the pieces here mention Rubio; it just feels like 80%.

One oversight on BiE’s part which many readers covered was Nikola Pekovic, particularly with his ‘Wolves set as the website’s NBA home team, so he’s in the voting.

Some suggestions came in for Dirk Nowitzki and Tony Parker, so they get in despite advancing age. And BiE loved the idea of all-time fave Arvydas Sabonis as a possibility to tout the historical trips we sometimes take here.

Next week, BiE takes your opinions on the Euro NBAer’s opponent in the BallinEurope logo; until then, vote early and vote often!

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Comments: 71
  1. Gabe
    10 years ago

    How about Marc Gasol if we’re going current for this next generation. If we’re going for just greatness than I say Dirk.

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  2. mike
    10 years ago

    It has to be Ricky Rubio. While Rubio is hurt, and is not currently the best Euro in the NBA, I think he has great upside, and should be the best Euro very soon.

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  3. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    10 years ago

    Dirk is the best European player ever. No questions asked. He was finals MVP the year before last and has been the league MVP…. He also has a few good years left yet.

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    • Goran
      10 years ago

      Drazen Petrovic, Nikos Galis, Drazen Dalipagic, Sasha Djordedic, Pau Gasol, Dejan Bodiroga, Sarunas Marcilionis, Arvydas Sabonis, Kresimir Cosic, Radovaj Korac, etc., etc.

      Pretty incredibly BOLD statement to claim Dirk is “the best EUROPEAN” player ever. Best European NBA career…sure, best “European player”? That’s quite a stretch.

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      • Goran
        10 years ago

        Forgot to mentions guys like Sergey Belov, Kukoc, Dino Meneghin, etc.

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  4. Arkadios
    10 years ago

    Dirk!

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  5. Darko
    10 years ago

    The best player ever is Sabonis, not Dirk. Wash yo brains Texas :))

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  6. Vic
    10 years ago

    Spanoulis and Navarro are the best players in Europe at the moment. Since this site is about ball in EUROPE, they deserve to be the faces of the Logo.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      The best players in Europe at the moment are Bobby Brown and Jordan Farmer. The only way Spanoulis should be on the logo is if he is the one getting his shot blocked and the one blocking it is Dagunduro. Now that moment should definitely be a statue or something but BiE’s logo? Not really. lol

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      • Goran
        10 years ago

        This Gabe is literally insane.

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      • Erik K
        10 years ago

        Gabe says:
        November 19, 2012 at 10.27pm

        The best players in Europe at the moment are Bobby Brown and Jordan Farmer. The only way Spanoulis should be on the logo is if he is the one getting his shot blocked and the one blocking it is Dagunduro. Now that moment should definitely be a statue or something but BiE’s logo? Not really. lol

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        You mean getting FOULED blatantly by Dagunduro.

        The same Dagunduro that you claimed here for months would terrorize European basketball and that would instantly become the best player in Europe and that Spanoulis would cry to sleep over the fear of having to “face Dagunduro in Euroleague”.

        Yeah, the same Dagunduro that failed to even get a Eurocup contract, let alone a Euroleague contract.

        The same Dagunduro that is averaging an astonishing 1.0 points per game for a mid level Italian league team:

        http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Italy&Team=84&Page=3

        If you have even one shred or a brain cell, you won’t be stupid enough to mention that name again. Otherwise you will only continue to be proven to be the complete lying sack of shit that you truly are.

        LMFAO at “Dagunduro will terrorize European basketball” – yea, the Italian League is sure being “terrorized” with that 1.0 PPG average of his.

        Gabe: “Dagunduro is a genetically superior African that will DOMINATE, destroy, and terrorize those soft, non athletic white Euro stiffs”.

        What a damn JOKE you are.

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  7. Vic
    10 years ago

    Who is Bobby Brown? That guy in Siena B (compared to previous years) team . And Farmar? What has he won? Played some good games in regular season EL. The best American player is McCalebb, yet he is not as good as Spanoulis or Navarro. The later two are there for winning championships. Even McCalebb hasn’t done that yet. Let alone Brown and Farmar.

    Any serius team in Europe will have Spanoulis or Navarro over the above mentioned players.They just have something to win championships. Like Diamantidis, or Saras and Papaloukas in their prime. But Brown and Farmar are nice to watch.

    Holden was probably the best compared to all those American players. Too bad he stopped winning titles when Papaloukas left CSKA.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      You forgot to mention Langdon or Parker in their prime when they were winning Euroleague championships as well.

      But if we mention who is playing the best right now, not past years, Brown and Farmar have to be in the discussion.

      If if we go past do we judge by championships or regular season, And how about national teams, how does that go into affect. If it does Spanoulis’ horrible elimination in the Olympic qualifier should automatically disqualify him.

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      • Goran
        10 years ago

        Dirk’s numerous horrible runs with German national team should disqualify him then.

        Who the hell is this freak?

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        • Gabe
          10 years ago

          Without Dirk Germany is a horrible team. With him they won a bronze in the World Championship and a silver in Eurobasket. Dirk has been named the MVP of a World Championship and a Eurobasket. Spanoulis has never been selected the MVP of any FIBA event or any league for that matter.

          And most importantly Dirk with Germany has never had the national embarrassment of being the first team in history ever to be eliminated in a FIBA competition by an African team in a playoff game.

          To compare Dirk and Spanoulis is like comparing Jordan to Anthony Parker.

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          • Jack
            10 years ago

            Dirk lost to Greece and Spanoulis numerous times. You are applying made up and imaginary double standards that suit your personal hatreds and biases.

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          • Jack
            10 years ago

            “Spanoulis has never been selected the MVP of any FIBA event or any league for that matter.”

            Spanoulis has been named MVP of The Greek League TWICE.

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  8. Goran
    10 years ago

    Gabe STFU

    Brown and Farmar are not half as good as Spanoulis. What the hell are you smoking?

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Right now they are playing better than him. And Farmar is better than Spanoulis. He did a lot better in the NBA (which is not saying much 90% of players in the NBA were more than a scrub therefore better than Spanouiis was) and in his one full season in Euroleague so farhe destroyed and embarrassed Spanoulis when they played and he is shooting a higher percentage and grabbing more rebounds. Spanoulis has just been lucky Farmar has been spending his time being a back-up in the NBA but now he is in Euroleague he is going to destroy him everytime they meet.

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      • Jack
        10 years ago

        Farmar isn’t near as good as Spanoulis is. There is no way that this Gabe guy has ever seen a Euroleague game at any time in his pathetic sad little life.

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      • Erik K
        10 years ago

        Gabe says:
        November 20, 2012 at 7.29am

        Right now they are playing better than him. And Farmar is better than Spanoulis. He did a lot better in the NBA (which is not saying much 90% of players in the NBA were more than a scrub therefore better than Spanouiis was) and in his one full season in Euroleague so farhe destroyed and embarrassed Spanoulis when they played and he is shooting a higher percentage and grabbing more rebounds. Spanoulis has just been lucky Farmar has been spending his time being a back-up in the NBA but now he is in Euroleague he is going to destroy him everytime they meet.

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        http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?pcode=JUO&gamecode=79#!boxscore

        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaah

        this fool really believed this shit he typed here? And this was with Spanoulis going against double teams. Where the hell did this tool Gabe come from?

        Is he a Turkish guy that is racist and hates Greeks or what? This guy is the biggest damn idiot ever in sports sites.

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  9. Vincent
    10 years ago

    Spanuolis does have the face and beard to be characterized pretty well

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  10. mike
    10 years ago

    I don’t know that the logo should reflect the “best” player necessarily. The logo should reflect someone who can symbolize the Euro and attract more fans to the game. As I said, someone like Rubio does this.

    As for the best Euro player arguments. The best Euro player should have done well in the Euroleague, his national team, and most important of all, the NBA. Sabonis is the greatest Euro of all time. No question.

    NBA experts have said that if he entered the NBA a little earlier, he might have become the most dominant center in the NBA. When he ended up playing with Portland, he was already a shell of his former self, but he still occasionally devastated other teams.

    For that, he was enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame last year, I believe.

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    • Jack
      10 years ago

      Drazen Petrovic and Nikos Galis were unquestionably better than Sabonis.

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  11. vinzzz
    10 years ago

    At first, I got cited in the post! now thats something to be proud of and its showing that it was worth to read that blog for so long time 😉 Something gabe wil most likely never experience lol

    Second, come on guys, we are here not on any official Uleb website or something like that, we are here because we like the interesting and most of all funny articles written on that blog, so stop searching for the best player to be on the logo, but search the player who reflects most the idea and mentality of that site; Rubio.

    Furhter, before looking for the other player, we should maybe make clear how the logo is going to be! Is a guy going to be dunked on? or is one player going to be blocked ( as siskauskas seems to be)? Or maybe playing togehter, an alley oop or blind pass ( again, Rubio ;)).
    It seems Sabonis is going to win ( too many lithuanians readung this blog). I love him, but I wouldnt like to see him on the logo, we should stay with actual Basketball and the future. I mean the main reason why Siskauskas will be removed is his retirement. So why should we take a retired player for the new one? Its non-sens! So then keep Siskauskas, he marked euroleague basketball for several long years!
    Or take Rubio playing a nice pass to bulldog Pek with his tatoo!
    Or what about Kirilenko, he played well in NBA, came back, dominanted Europe and now is back in NBA still playing well, he represents the idea very well of what this site wants to show, that euro basket doesnt suck as most americans think, but that nba is still the best one in the world ( also because the best euros are playing there!!!!)

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  12. Russ
    10 years ago

    Check this out – Sabonis still has it at the age of 47 !!! (and by the way against CSKA:)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LmR66uBarI

    No doubt the best european basketball player ever. Yes Dirk is on the same shelf together maybe with just late Drazen Petrovic.
    A little lower the greats – Jasikevicius, Parker, Gallis, Marciulonis, Kukoc, Schrempf, P.Gasol, Radja, Divac.

    Spanoulis is no where close to any of them and never will be. Rubio and Valanciunas is no where close either, but both have a potential to be some day in the future.

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    • Jack
      10 years ago

      Spanoulis is easily better than Radja, Kukoc, Schrempf, Divac, Marciulionis, Jasikevicius and Parker.

      EASILY.

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      • Gabe
        10 years ago

        Everybody knows that Spanoulis is a 2nd rate player who can’t even hold the jock straps of Radja, Kukoc, Schrempf, Divac, Marciulionis, Jasikevicius and Parker.

        Spanoulis
        1. Was an absolute failure in the NBA. An absolute scrub who averaged 2.7 ppg on .319 FG%. That alone makes him a 2nd rate player.
        2. Was on the Greek team that finished an embarrassing 11th place in the 2010 WC.
        3. Was on the Greek team that had the national embarrassment of being the 1st team ever to lose to an African team in a playoff game and then not even make the Olympics.

        Spanoulis has never:
        1. Won an Olympic or World Championship
        2. Been selected as an MVP for a FIBA event
        3. Been selected to a FIBA World Championship All-Tournament team
        4. Been a Euroleague MVP

        To mention the scrub Spanoulis in the same breath as Radja, Kukoc, Schrempf, Divac, Marciulionis, Jasikevicius and Parker is an insult to all those players.

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        • Michael
          10 years ago

          Gabe says:
          November 22, 2012 at 2.31am

          Everybody knows that Spanoulis is a 2nd rate player who can’t even hold the jock straps of Radja, Kukoc, Schrempf, Divac, Marciulionis, Jasikevicius and Parker.

          To mention the scrub Spanoulis in the same breath as Radja, Kukoc, Schrempf, Divac, Marciulionis, Jasikevicius and Parker is an insult to all those players.

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          Vassilis Spanoulis:

          2005 FIBA EuroBasket – Gold Medal

          2009 FIBA EuroBasket – All-Tournament Team

          Lead Greece to victory over Team USA by scoring 22 points at 2006 FIBA World Cup (the last time Team USA lost a game)

          2x Greek League MVP (2009, 2012)

          4x All-Euroleague Team (2006, 2009, 2011, 2012) (2nd most ever)

          2x Euroleague Final Four MVP (2009, 2012) (2nd most ever)

          The above award is the REAL “Euroleague MVP award”, as the other one is just a new gimmick they created a few years ago – the REAL MVP of Euroleague has ALWAYS been considered the Final Four MVP.

          2009 Balkans Athlete of the Year (Best athlete from ALL sports, from ALL the countries of the Balkans – TWELVE countries).

          He was named BEST ATHLETE, not just basketball player, but BEST ATHLETE of all sports, for a TWELVE COUNTRY REGION.

          Gabe is one of the craziest haters I have EVER seen on the internet. Spanoulis a “second rate player”? An “insult to mention him with those other players”?

          And the freaking most hilarious of all……….not as good as Tony Parker? Are you FREAKIN’ KIDDING ME? Gabe is the perfect example of drugs are bad. The guy is a freaking nut case.

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  13. AP
    10 years ago

    Some good news articles for OS Davis…………..

    Euroleague changing to NBA rules –

    http://www.euroleague.net/euroleague-basketball/news/i/103765/6330

    Dario Saric arrested for numerous driving violations –

    http://www.b92.net/sport/kosarka/vesti.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=19&nav_id=661571

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  14. Phileus
    10 years ago

    It looks like Sabonis will win, but I really liked Pek as an idea for the logo. Not only is he bad ass (and a member of the BiE-endorsed Wolves ;)) but he also has really symbolized the end of the “soft European big man” stereotype that used to be so popular in the NBA for the last 10+ years (I blame Divac, Weis, etc.). By the time Pek came along, though, nobody ever accused him of being “soft,” and I see that as being really symbolically important.

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  15. Russ
    10 years ago

    What about drunk Saric with half empty bottle of Jack replacing Bearded Man with cigarette 🙂 ?

    To all those spanoulis-lovers, just stop embarassing yourself, he definitely is no more than 2nd rate player, a selfish combo without court vision, horrible assist to turnover ratio, no defence and poor 3-pt shooting. If you are greek, why don’t you pick Diamantidis then ? I mean his technique is pretty terrible, but at least he is a good defender.

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    • Michael
      10 years ago

      Spanoulis is the third best basketball player in THE WORLD.

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    • Niko
      10 years ago

      To all those spanoulis-lovers, just stop embarassing yourself, he definitely is no more than 2nd rate player, a selfish combo without court vision, horrible assist to turnover ratio, no defence and poor 3-pt shooting. If you are greek, why don’t you pick Diamantidis then ? I mean his technique is pretty terrible, but at least he is a good defender.

      Selfish combo guard without court vision?

      Then why did he lead the Greek League in assists 3 times? Why does he lead the Euroleague in assists now this season? Don’t remember ANY “selfish combo guards without court vision” in all of history that ever did lead leagues in assists.

      So funny to know that “selfish combo guard with no court vision” lead league Greek League in assists 3 times at the same years when players like Papaloukas, Teodosic, Diamantidis, Jasikevicius all “best passers and court vision” in Europe were playing in the same Greek League. But Spanoulis was leading in assists every year………

      “selfish combo guard without court vision” being first in current Euroleague in assists…same Euroleague with players like Huertas, Cook, Diamantidis, Teodosic, etc.

      lol at “selfish combo guard without court vision”

      No defense?

      Then why was he voted as the best defender in Europe by Russian Basketball Federation over the summer?

      lol at “no defense”

      “Poor 3 point shooting” –

      So the guy that shoots 43.2% from 3 point range in Euroleague is “poor” at shooting 3 pointers. I would hate to see how you describe Rubio then………….

      The guy that is 37th all time in career list of most 3 pointers made in Euroleague history with 35.4% career shooting percentage is “poor” at 3 point shooting………..

      lol

      Russ is a bigger troll and lying bastard than Gabe is

      As for Diamantidis, he is a great player. But him and Papaloukas as great as they are/were are not as the level of Spanoulis. I am Greek and I saw that flat out.

      Neither is Jasikevicius, Teodosic, Kleiza, and players like that. We saw them all for YEARS and YEARS in Greek League playing.

      HANDS DOWN Spanoulis is better than they are.

      If you want to talk about best player in Europe, only player that is in this conversation with Spanoulis is JC Navarro. That is it.

      lol at this crazy bullshit about Jordan Farmar, Bobby Brown, etc. This site is rapidly losing all of its credibility.

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  16. Vic
    10 years ago

    My point is that this is blog is called ‘ball IN Europe’. So we have to pick someone who plays ball IN Europe.

    It has got to be one of the stars. Navarro, Teodosic, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, perhaps Kirilenko (since he was MVP of the EL last year).

    Also keep in mind that Euro ball has a certain philosophy, which is somewhat different from the NBA. That’s why we have to pick someone who represents that European philosophy. Diamantidis or Kirilenko perhaps. Hard working, defending, team oriented players.

    I insist on picking someone who plays in Europe. Why advertise the NBA?
    This blog has to emphasise the European brand.

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    • Michael
      10 years ago

      Ignore these idiots. They are CLEARLY ALL NBA only fans and obviously none of them has EVER in their entire lives seen a Euroleague game.

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  17. Niko
    10 years ago

    I just got done watching Efes vs Olympiakos game. Efes is team Jordan Farmar plays on and Olympiakos is team Spanoulis plays on.

    In WHOLE game Spanoulis was double teamed. He still was able to get points and assists and direct his team into the offense and to get open shots for them and to control the game’s tempo and pace.

    Jordan Farmar was in single coverage and was easily shut down totally simply by Olympiacos not allowing him to run on the fast break, which it seems is basically the only way he is capable of scoring.

    Anyone that says Jordan Farmar is as good or better than Spanoulis is a CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY and very RETARDED person.

    It is like saying Jason Williams was as good or better than John Stockton

    Gabe should be given a permanent banishment from this entire topic and discussion. Because is truly a disturbed lunatic..

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  18. mike
    10 years ago

    Well, one thing we know Niko is that Spanoulis still said, “who doesn’t want to play in the NBA? The best players in the world play there.”

    Deep down inside, Spanoulis knows this, and he can’t sleep at night as he wonders what the heck happened with his disastrous NBA adventure with Houston. The NBA truly is the ultimate proving ground to show what any player can do against the best players in the world.

    Until V-Span re-enters the NBA to prove himself, he will always be tainted by his Houston experience. He knows this, and you are clearly in denial.

    Enough said.

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  19. Tom Brady Owns Jets
    10 years ago

    Spanoulis knows what happened to him in the NBA. His coach ruined his career on purpose.

    He is better than 95%+ of the players in the NBA. The only thing “tainted” in his career is Jeff van Gundy. Nothing about his own career is tainted.

    Rick Adelman on Jeff van Gundy not playing Spanoulis, after he reviewed all the Rockets games when he was hired to replace van Gundy as the Rockets head coach:

    “I have absolutely no idea why Jeff didn’t play him.”

    That says it all right there. That plus the long line of players that Jeff van Gundy tried to ruin their careers, and actually succeeded with doing it to several others.

    Vassilis Spanoulis

    Marcus Camby

    Fabricio Oberto

    Frederick Weis

    Mirsad Turkcan

    All of them have gone on record as saying that van Gundy purposely tried to sabotage their careers over personal biases and prejudices.

    Spanoulis would average 20/10 right now in the NBA with any normal coach.

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  20. Vincent
    10 years ago

    Weis’s career was ruined by Vince Carter! hahahha

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  21. mike
    10 years ago

    You call going home to Greece crying for his mommy untainted? Let’s assume for a second that JVG didn’t give V-Span enough of a chance, then why didn’t he take Coach Pop’s offer with the Spurs? Tony Parker even called him. Coach Pop assured Span that he would be in the rotation of the Spurs. Let me ask you, how can a real man or warrior not take this offer?

    This would have been the perfect opportunity to disprove JVG and Houston. This is how it works in the NBA. You fail for one team, and sometimes another team gives you a chance. Look at Chauncey Billubs. He moved around until he got to Detroit where he blossomed for the first time. Not everybody can be like Lebron or Kobe who can succeed in any environment. (BTW V-Span is an inconsistent 3 point shooter a career .346 in EL. Last year was his best .387 but before that ..347, .277, .309 respectively. Span has never averaged more than 4.5 assist in a EL season. All these doesn’t disprove that he could have not played in the NBA, however.)

    Could it be that Span doubted himself by not taking the Spur’s offer? He opted to go back to familiar surroundings in Greece with the less than stellar competition. The Spurs offer would have put him on a world stage had he succeeded. Tim Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Coach Pop, the Spurs rich recent basketball history. Wow, what a lost opportunity for V-Span and Greece to showcase it’s basketball talent. Instead, since that time ,Greece has gradually declined in the world stage, and didn’t even make the Olympics. Wow!

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    • Jackson
      10 years ago

      Spanoulis is double teamed almost every time he touches the ball in Euroleague. I don’t think guys like Batum and Kirilenko ever saw more than 3-5 double teams in Euroleague the whole time they were there.

      Farmar and Fernandez and Weems don’t get double teamed in Euroleague. Neither did Kleiza.

      Childress and Rubio were actually left unguarded most of the time they were in Euroleague.

      These guys all could be rotation players in NBA, but the guy that is double teamed can’t?

      There are a lot of retarded people on this forum.

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    • Jackson
      10 years ago

      Never averaged more than 4.5 assists per game in Euroleague? WTF is that supposed to mean?

      Ricky Rubio’s career high in Euroleague in assists was 4.1

      Jose Calderon’s career high in assists in Euroleague was 2.6

      Goran Dragic’s career high in assists in Euroleague was 3.1

      Pablo Prigioni’s career high in assists in Euroleague was 6.2

      (Spanoulis averages 6.3 this season)

      Ty Lawson averaged 1.6 assists in Euroleague

      Brandon Jennings averaged 1.6 assists in Euroleague

      Beno Udrih’s career high in assists in Euroleague was 2.8

      Career averages in assists for Spanoulis versus other Euroleague point guards that have been NBA rotation players in recent times:

      1. Pablo Prigioni – 4.4

      2. Vassilis Spanoulis – 3.7

      3. Sergio Rodriguez – 3.7

      4. Sarunas Jasikevicius – 3.5

      5. Ricky Rubio – 3.5

      6. Will Bynum – 2.8

      7. Beno Udrih – 2.6

      http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=All&cat=Assistances&agg=PerGame

      And like I said, Brandon Jennings and Ty Lawson both averaged 1.6 assists per game the year they played in Euroleague.

      The ONLY one that averaged more assists career wise was Prigioni, and this season so far Spanoulis is outdoing Prigioni’s career best year in assists. This is the same Prigioni that is the most purest pass first point guard probably in Euroleague history. The same Prigioni that Jason Kidd says passes too much and plays too much as a point guard even for his own standards.

      So if Spanoulis is a “combo guard with no court vision”, then what the hell are guys like Udrih, Jennings, Lawson, Dragic, Rubio? Guys that all get good to even huge assist numbers in the NBA? Rubio that people call “once in a generation NBA passer”………

      Marcelo Huertas has a career average of 3.7 assists in Euroleague, and he destroys Team USA with assists barrages every time he plays them.

      Calling Spanoulis “combo guard with no court vision” is tantamount to calling Michael Jordan “jump shooter with no athletic ability”.

      Vassilis Spanoulis shooting percentages:

      2011-12 3 PT Euroleague: 38.6%

      http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=JUO

      2012 3 PT World Olympic Qualification Tournament: 50.0%

      http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=JUO

      2012-13 3 PT Euroleague: 43.2%

      http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=JUO

      Yeah, I am pretty damn sure that counts as a great shooter anywhere in the world, except evidently on this twilight zone websites that is full of disturbed psychotics.

      You are an idiot.

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  22. Vic
    10 years ago

    Enough with this Spanoulis talk. He is just one of the best European players who didn’t have a good shot in the NBA, a bad experience in the wrong team, felt uncomfortable in the USA and decided to go back to Europe where he became an even better and more mature player.

    He made his decision and we as European fans should be lucky that some of our stars, for whatever reason, decide to stay in Europe so we can admire them here.

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  23. mike
    10 years ago

    Okay Vic, but to be fair, I think Spanoulis could have succeeded in the NBA with the right environment. There are the critics out there that say he lacks NBA level athleticism to consistently penetrate, and if need be, finish around the rim. Also, that he lacks a consistent perimeter shot, although I think he could overcome this if he played good enough defense.

    The problem is that all these are speculations, and until he plays a full NBA season and propels a winning NBA team, we will never know who was right. What a shame.

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  24. mike
    10 years ago

    BTW, Marc Gasol and Memphis have just beaten the Lakers. Marc: 39 minutes, 14 points, 5 boards, 8 assists. Memphis is now 9-2 on the year, and have the best record in the league. Has Marc gotten any consideration for the logo?

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  25. Miguel
    10 years ago

    mike says:
    November 24, 2012 at 5.47am

    Okay Vic, but to be fair, I think Spanoulis could have succeeded in the NBA with the right environment. There are the critics out there that say he lacks NBA level athleticism to consistently penetrate, and if need be, finish around the rim. Also, that he lacks a consistent perimeter shot, although I think he could overcome this if he played good enough defense.

    The problem is that all these are speculations, and until he plays a full NBA season and propels a winning NBA team, we will never know who was right. What a shame.

    >

    Spanoulis is like 10 times more athletic than guys like Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Mark Jackson, etc. Guys that has no problem playing in the NBA, despite having nothing close to the athletic ability Spanoulis has.

    Spanoulis is a very good shooter. Frankly, anyone that says he isn’t a very good shooter has never seen him play even one time. The only point guards in the NBA that are better shooters than Spanoulis are probably guys like Jimmer Ferdette, Stephen Curry, and Steve Nash.

    Other than those 3, I can’t think of a single point guard in the NBA that is a better shooter than Spanoulis is. So if those really are the criticisms of Spanoulis as to why he could not play in the NBA, they are coming from people who have never actually seen the guy play basketball.

    So for my money, those criticisms are invalid and have no legitimacy. You can’t accurately gauge a player without obviously ever seeing him play. And the bottom line is that anyone that says Spanoulis isn’t athletic enough or good enough at shooting for the NBA, has definitely never seen Spanoulis play.

    Actually, very few NBA point guards could match Spanoulis in athleticism. If I compare Chris Paul to Spanoulis in athletic terms for instance, it is like night and day. Spanoulis is several levels beyond a guy like Paul athletically. He’s not like a Derrick Rose or Russell Westbrook athletically.

    But he’s way more athletic than the guys like Kidd, Nash, Andre Miller, Jeremy Lin, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, etc. Just to make a comparison in shooting. He’s a way better shooter than those guys as well. So I just can’t believe that anyone making the critique that Spanoulis can’t play in the NBA due to athleticism and shooting has actually ever seen Spanoulis play.

    The actual weakness of Spanoulis would be that he’s a bit too turnover prone. He has the same basic mentality as guys like Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Jeremy Lin, Derrick Rose. The same mentality that he will keep pushing aggressively on offense no matter how many turnovers it might cause.

    He’s basically a turnover prone guy, just like those above guards. However, I would say that a lot of his turnovers come from being doubled, so he might be able to cut down on his turnover rate in the NBA.

    Shooting and athleticism is definitely not what would make him fail to be an NBA player.

    It’s amazing how quickly NBA fans seem to forget that Drazen Petrovic spent a long time on the bench in Portland and had to demand a trade to the Nets just to get playing time. I can remember all the jokes about him being a “Euro scrub” and all that same nonsense I see here about guys like Spanoulis and Navarro.

    So many NBA fans used to make fun of Petrovic and laughed at him being “dominant” in Europe but waving towels in Portland. It’s pathetic that after 20 years American basketball fans have not matured even one little tiny bit, and that they have not stopped being extremely xenophobic and biased towards European players.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Again. Accomplishments of Spanoulis
      1. Absolute failure and scrub in his one year in the NBA.
      2. Placed 11th with Greece in the 2010 World Championships
      3. Was on the only European team ever to lose to an African team in a playoff and could not even qualify for the Olympics. He shot 6 for 12 (50%) of his free throws in Greece’s and Europe’s biggest choke job ever in the history of basketball.

      Things Spanouils has never accomplished.
      1. Being named Euroleague MVP when role players like Kirilenko and Anthony Parker (2 times have)
      2. Never won a gold medal in the Olympics or World Championship.
      3. Has never been selected as an MVP for a FIBA event
      4. Has never been selected to an All-Tournament Team for a World Championship.

      So let’s summarize Vassilis “scrub” Spanoulis career:
      1. In the best league in the world he was an absolute scrub. One of the worst players in the whole league.
      2. In the 2nd best league in the world, while a winner, has never been selected as MVP, so therefore has never been selected the best player in the league. Final Four MVP is more of a team award, the best player on a championship team, like the NBA Finals MVP award. Billups won that award but no one would call him one of the best NBA players. And even more so the NBA FInals Award is for play in the NBA finals which is 4-7 games. The Euroleague Final Four MVP is only for play in two games.
      3. So here we have it. On the club level Spanoulis was a scrub in the NBA and has never been Euroleague MVP while NBA role players who only come over for one year (Kirilenko) or NBA scrubs like Parker (2 Euroleague MVPs have) If Spanoulis could not get an Euroleague MVP in his 6 years playing in Euroleague he would never even come close to getting an all-star birth if he was in the NBA.

      4. On the national level he has never won a gold medal on the global stage in an event that had Team USA (the world championships or Olympics).
      5. He was never won a MVP award for a FIBA tournament or even been selected to FIBA World Championship all-tournament team. I mean you could point out that Nowitzki has never won an Olympic or World Championship either but he was the 2002 World Championship MVP and the 2005 Eurobasket MVP.

      So let’s sum up Spanoulis…Scrub in the best league, never the best player in 2nd best league, never won a championship for the national team on the global level, never the best player in any FIBA tournament and lastly never one of the top 5 players in a global FIBA tourament…so in other words a scrub. I look forward to seeing him get embarrassed by Dagunduro and Team Nigeria again because that will be his legacy and what he will be remembered for.

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      • Gabe Is Right - NBA Is TRASH
        10 years ago

        Wow, then that REALLY shows how pathetic and low the level of the NBA is. Because Spanoulis would be a top 3 player if he was in the NBA now. So all you did there was pretty much confirm what many Euroleague fans say. That the NBA is extremely overrated and mostly total crap.

        It has to be, for such an awful scrub as you describe Spanoulis to be is better than all but 2 NBA players. Therefore, ergo, the NBA is a POS league.

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        • Gabe
          10 years ago

          How did I say Spanoulis is a top 3 player in the NBA? Maybe the WNBA lol
          1. Spanoulis was a total scrub his one season in the NBA. 2.7 ppg .319% fg% .172 3p% .9 apg. What an absolute scrub!!!!
          2. An NBA role player like Kirilenko comes over to Euroleague for one year and wins Euroleague MVP, something Spanoulis has not been able to do in his 6 years in Euroleague. Even NBA scrub, Anthony Parker was able to won two Euroleague MVP in that 2nd tier league. If Spanoulis can not even win a Euroleague MVP award in six years he would be a total scrub in the NBA, that’s why he was so scared to continue to play in the NBA.

          You see Euroleague is a different game where slow, unathletic Euros like Spanoulis could be okay. First off each game is 8 minutes shorter in Euroleague so unconditioned Spanoulis can keep up. Second there are at max only 25 games in Euroleague, if you make it to the Final Four. In the NBA there are 82 regular season games plus another 28 playoff games. Yes you could say that Euroleague teams also play in their national leagues but their national leagues are horrible. For example Spanoulis plays in the Greek league which has one other good team and the rest of the teams are like D-level teams. So in Europe Spanoulis plays like 30 10 minute quarter games against quality competition while in the NBA he had to play 82 12 minutes quarter games against NBA level competition, and that’s just the regular season. You have no Maroussi in the NBA.

          Spanoulis could not just handle playing against such top level competition day in and day out. That is why he sucked in the NBA and went back to Europe with his tail between his legs crying to mommy and the media.

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          • Raps Fan
            10 years ago

            Euroleague plays more than a max of 25 games. It seems you are not even capable of doing basic math. The max of Euroleague games is 31.

            And zero NBA teams ever play 28 playoff games. No team in NBA history ever played 28 playoff games.

            That’s it. I am done with you and with doubting what any Euro fans say about you. You are undeniably a troll and a liar.

            Also, I hate to break it to you, but claiming a European national league’s games don’t count due to intensity is absurd. Because you are counting 82 NBA regular season games, even though everyone knows that about 50 of those games are taken off by teams where no one even tries. And about 70 of them include defense being played on zero possessions.

            Just about every NBA coach and former NBA player has come out on record as saying the NBA should have no more than 50-60 games in the regular season, because they have admitted that almost no one even tries in at least half of the NBA regular season games.

            Or as Zeljko Obradovic put it, “I would not coach in the NBA, because the regular season games are a complete joke.”

            It’s become pretty clear that you are suffering from an extreme case of Ugly American Syndrome.

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          • Raps Fan
            10 years ago

            Also, there is no Maroussi in Greece’s domestic league. In addition to that, you claimed the Greek league has 12 D-League level teams. The 12 D-League all stars team – the 12 best players in D-League played 3 games against second division Greek clubs.

            Not first division Greek clubs, but second division Greek clubs. The D-League all stars team went 0-3.

            So it’s pretty fucking hilarious that you think there are 12 D-League level teams in Greece’s domestic league, when the second division clubs went 3-0 against the 12 all stars D-League team.

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          • Raps Fan
            10 years ago

            BTW, Ty Lawson went back to his mommy with his tail tucked between his legs, crying the whole way home, after leaving the Euroleague as a failure. Brandon Jennings did too.

            They could not handle at the Euroleague level, so they had to go back to the NBA, where they could play, due to the league having no defense.

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  26. Spanoulis On The Logo
    10 years ago

    Os Davis,

    This earned Vassilis Spanoulis a place on the logo IMHO. Do a characterization of him, with his beard, and wearing the Daniel San Karate head band….maybe give him some chop sticks and have him trying to catch a basketball or something………

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LAEz-90rc&w=560&h=315]

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  27. Spanoulis On The Logo
    10 years ago

    Os Davis:

    This earned Vassilis Spanoulis a place on the ballineurope logo IMHO. Do a characterization of him, with his beard, and wearing the Daniel San Karate head band….maybe give him some chop sticks and have him trying to catch a basketball or something………

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LAEz-90rc&w=560&h=315]

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  28. Spanoulis On The Logo
    10 years ago

    [youtube]f7LAEz-90rc[/youtube]

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  29. Spanoulis On The Logo
    10 years ago

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7LAEz-90rc[/youtube]

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  30. Spanoulis On The Logo
    10 years ago

    I can’t figure out to embed video here………..

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  31. Gabe
    10 years ago

    You mean the Ty Lawson who (gasp) played the total of 7 (yes as in 7, the number seven) Euroleague games and averaged 7.4 ppg (and I’m going to put this after every post but we all know by now that Euroleague stats are always lower than NBA stats) or Brandon Jennings who played in Euroleague when he was 19 and averaged 7.6 ppg.

    Well I mean the Vassilis “scrub” Spanoulis who came over to the NBA as a grown man at 25 after being selected for an All-Euroleague team and played 31 games in the NBA and averaged 2.7 ppg.

    Now that’s going home with your tail between your legs.

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  32. Not all NBA fans are like Gabe
    10 years ago

    They mean the Vassilis Spanoulis that is damn well much better of a player than POS players like Lawson and Jennings. Lawson and Jennings both absolutely suck. If the NBA was not an extremely weak league they could not play in it.

    Neither one of them would have been able to make second string on any decent NBA team back in the 80s or 90s.

    Gabe is a disgrace to NBA fans.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      2.7 ppg

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  33. Spanoulis > Every Knick
    10 years ago

    How about an all bearded logo?

    Gasol brothers, Spanoulis, Divac, Pekovic, Navarro…….

    Spanoulis :101

    Wade, LeBron, Melo, Paul, Bosh, Howard: 95

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Dagunduro: 80

      Spanoulis, Bourousis, Papanikolaou, Printezis, Mantzaris, Zsis: 79

      Carmelo Anthony: 37 points in an 83 point victory against the same Nigerian team that embarrassed Spanoulis.

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  34. Zoran
    10 years ago

    Gabe is a racist piece of shit. Just ignore him. The guy is sick and demented.

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  35. mike
    10 years ago

    If they don’t play defense in the NBA regular season, then that makes Spanoulis’ 2.7ppg even more embarassing.

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  36. mike
    10 years ago

    Sick and demented Gabe. Wow, those are usually words reserved for psychotic killers or child molesters. For these people, it obviously really hurts. You can tell this illusion of theirs of European basketball equality to the NBA is an article of faith, and these Euro nuts really take it personally.

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  37. Sando
    10 years ago

    What really hurts the NBA only fans here is that Spanoulis beat 6 future Hall of Fame NBA players almost by himself.

    The level of butt hurt being shown by the NBA only fans over that is truly epic in proportion. 6 years later and they still can’t get over it.

    It’s butt hurt to a whole new level.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      What really hurts delusional Euros here is that Dagunduro beat four players from the Euroleague champions, including the Final Four MVP, almost by himself.

      It’s butt hurt to a whole new level.

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      • Niko
        10 years ago

        Correction, the REFS beat them.

        Bragging about a game that was rigged by the refs = the ULTIMATE BUTT HURT

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        • Gabe
          10 years ago

          Correction, the REFs beat the US in 2006. They called more fouls against the US.
          Bragging about the game when Greece beat the US in 2006 that was rigged by the refs = the ULTIMATE BUTT HURT

          On the other hand in the Greece/Nigeria game the refs called more fouls on Nigeria so it could not have been fixed/

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  38. Sando
    10 years ago

    Congrats to Arvydas Sabonis.

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