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Splitter opines Adelman key to Rubio’s success; Ginobili says “impressive”

January 4, 2012

Most observers are amazed at the early success of Spanish wunderkind Ricky Rubio in the NBA, but at least a couple San Antonio Spurs are claiming to have known this was destined all along.

Tiago Splitter, whose Caja Laboral Baskonia met Rubio’s FC Barcelona many a time since the lad debuted in the ACB at age 14, is quoted over at Spanish-league Tu Basket that he was “amazed at the way [Rubio]’s playing with freedom. In Spain, he was on a team under a lot of pressure to win it all. Here, the coach is giving him the ball in the fourth quarter and he’s playing with confidence. That’s hard to do in the first year.”

Splitter cited Minnesota Timberwolves coach Rick Adelman as a key factor in Rubio’s early NBA success. As TuBasket points out, with Barcelona, Rubio was bound in Xavi Pascual’s more rigid style and ultimately lost playing time to Victor Sada, who was better equipped to handle the offensive game plan – despite Rubio’s well above-average play in pick-and-roll sets.

Currently, Rubio is averaging a neat 12.0 minutes per fourth quarter, the only NBA player at any position to post this mark.

Added Manu Ginobili: “[The Spurs-Timberwolves game] made a big, big impression on me. On Sunday night [in the game against the Mavericks], he was impressive, the way he led the team in the fourth quarter, finding open players. And, of course, he was helped by Kevin Love, who is playing incredibly.”

Among Rubio’s attributes as a player, according to the Argentine, include “A lot of ball control and [court vision]. But that’s something we knew was going to happen. He may have other weaknesses, but he plays calmly, and is very talented at passing the ball and dribbling.”

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  1. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Nice, basically Ginobili and Splitter said what optimistic Wolves fans and Rubio supporters have said: the style of play in Minnesota suits his talents better, as do the players he’s surrounded with. It’s a too-convenient comparison to make, but he plays like a less-reckless (but less offensively gifted) Jason Williams sometimes.

    I wonder if Splitter was a little bit wistful, since his own stint in San Antonio hasn’t been as successful for either side as most people had hoped, haha.

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  2. Goran
    13 years ago

    Or as Rubio said HIMSELF in NBA TV interview –

    NBA is just an easier league than the Euroleague.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-MI6Z1cV4

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  3. Niko
    13 years ago

    here is what he said –

    NBATV:

    “Ricky, what’s the biggest adjustment you have had to make from playing in Barcelona, to now playing here in the states?”

    Ricky Rubio:

    “It’s basketball, so in the end of the day, it’s the same thing. But, over here, maybe, you can run more. There are more spaces because there is [a] defensive 3 second zone.

    And it’s easy to play here, because [of] all the spaces you have, and they can’t be more than 3 seconds in the zone. So that [it] looks easier going to the rim.

    Can be seen in NBA TV interview here —>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-MI6Z1cV4

    He clearly says that NBA is easier league and is easier to score in because of the less zone and easier to get to the rim. Easier because of more open and running (example – no defense)…………..

    he says NOTHING about it being because of “superior coaches” “more athletic players” “better teammates”, “better finishers:” – nothing at all of any of this BULL SHIT that is posted here all the time by that troll Gabe from Houston that posts under name Da Dakota in clutchfans.net site where he is known as the biggest troll of all time in that forum. he also posts in spurstalk.com site and is also a huge troll there.

    he also trolled endlessly on FIBA.com forums until he was banned by the Swiss moderators there for his constant insults to Europeans, European basketball, and European countries.

    Gabe’s picture:

    http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6030/15936781.jpg

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  4. John
    13 years ago

    It may be easier to score and gain assists in the NBA, but it much harder to win, since the quality of scorers in the NBA is invariably extremely high. The NBA employs the majority of the top talented basketball players in the world because of simple economics, a good player in the NBA will make more money than a superstar in the Euro league, which invariably draws the top talent from from around the world to the NBA.

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  5. Goran
    13 years ago

    The NBA is vastly easier of a league than the Euroleague is. There has not been any defense in the NBA in the last 7 years or so. Larry Brown, Chris Kaman, Ricky Rubio, Vassilis Spanoulis, Mike Fratello……….all of them have now gone on record as saying that it is harder to score in the European game than it is in the NBA.

    Brown, Fratello, and Kaman also said the European game is a lot more physical.

    The NBA has stopped being the “best league in the world” as soon as it made those rules changes to eliminate defense. It has been the second best league in the world since then. It is only the “best league in the world” based on the claims and hype of NBA marketing and in the delusional minds of NBA only fans.

    In actual reality, no league where defense is outlawed can be considered to be the “best league”.

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  6. John
    13 years ago

    The best league in the world, in my opinion, is the one with the best players. In my opinion, this is the NBA because of a basketball culture in the U.S and the economic lure of playing in the NBA. Though if you feel a leagues rules are the most important aspect, than it is simply an opinion which league is superior, and you are entitled to your view.

    I feel that it is interesting to note that, though Rubio has had a quality start to his NBA career, European players are not the dominant force in the NBA, and though there are quite a few former Euro League players currently playing in the NBA, they are clearly by no means the cream of the crop within the NBA itself. The vast majority of our elite level players come from out of our high school and college system within the U.S.

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  7. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Niko, from the tubasket.com interview: “Splitter, formerly of Caja Laboral and Valencia, points to the differences between Xavi Pascual and Rick Adelman for the explanation of Rubio’s change in play from Barcelona and the Minnesota Timberwolves.”

    If you lock a greyhound in a bird cage, you can’t blame it for not singing.

    So, in summary, players *who actually know what they are talking about, unlike us* have pointed to the differences in style. Considering Splitter went from ACB MVP and All-Euroleague player to Spurs reserve player in the NBA, and you’re just a random internet commentator, I will value his opinion over yours. I think he probably knows a little about the differences between the Euroleague and the NBA, and why some players succeed in making the transition, while others don’t. That doesn’t mean it’s objectively better or worse (I disagree with Gabe about this). As John said, it’s just a matter of preference.

    All that aside, it’s still just two weeks into the season, and rookies often finish worse than they start. Johnny Flynn was that way with the Wolves a few years ago.

    Why do European fans hate Ricky Rubio so much? Also, I thought you said you wouldn’t come to this site anymore 😛

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  8. Apollo
    13 years ago

    I see….Rubio sucked in Euroleague because “of his coach”, but Spanoulis sucked in NBA because of “he just was not good enough”…………….The fact Jeff Van Gundy is 1,000 times more strict than Pascual means nothing in the minds of these delusional NBA only fans.

    It’s unbelievable how much crap these NBA fans flood this site with. The xenophobic double standards are incredible.

    And yes, it seems that your friend Gabe was outed here as being Da Dakota of clutchfans.net and spurstalk.com

    This guy is one of the biggest trolls on the internet and you have been defending him here for a long time.

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  9. Phileus
    13 years ago

    I am not Gabe’s friend, but I have defended parts of his opinions that are reasonable, while disagreeing when he’s unreasonable.

    Actually, you yourself have been trolling pretty badly. You can’t make any arguments without insulting other people, you never acknowledge when you’re wrong (ignoring posts that disprove you), and your blind dedication to insulting the NBA is just as bad as Gabe’s blind dedication to insulting the Euroleague. As much as you hate him, you two are actually different sides of the same coin 😉

    As for me, I grew up on the NBA but love following basketball worldwide and learning as much as I can. I come to this site to learn, but then I see arguments like yours and it makes me upset, so I just can’t help but reply.

    I will explain this only one more time. Your argument is, “Rubio sucked in the Euroleague, but he’s doing well in the NBA. Therefore, the NBA is the worse league.”

    So why can’t someone just as easily say, like in the other thread, “All these American players (Langdon et al.) couldn’t even make the NBA, but they achieved the highest levels of individual success in the Euroleague. Therefore, the Euroleague is the worse league”?

    Your logic doesn’t prove your point, and that’s what annoys me. Can you understand why? I won’t bring it up anymore, unless you respond intelligently, because this flame war is just unnecessary and brings the site down.

    One last time: the different leagues have different styles. I offer you that as my internet handshake, so take it or leave it 🙂

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  10. fgsdfgdfgsdf
    13 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kUZ0XtUAqE&feature=related

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  11. Gabe
    13 years ago

    Okay so I’m gone a little bit and I see my name come up a lot. I am not Da Dakota and have never posted of clutchfans.net or spurstalk.com. I am not from Houston and that is not my picture (for the record I am for NYC). I was never banned from the FIBA site and I still post under Gabe sometimes but not too often because as anyone who’s posted on FIBA knows your post could be blocked for using totally random words.

    And Phileus…comparing me to Apollo? I know we argue two different sides and you’re trying hard to seem even handed but unlike Apollo I never post things that are not true and if I did I would admit it. You have shown many of Apollo’s posts that can be proven wrong, give me an example of one thing I posted that is untrue, please and I will admit to it, if not don’t compare me to someone who says outlandish things like MVP awards are team awards and given to role players.
    And you’re not my friend. Way to hurt my feelings.

    I agree with John, for money or prestige, the NBA has the best players in the world, which I believe makes it the best league (hell even look at the Eurobasket final: 9 out of the 10 players with the most minutes played in the European championship are from the NBA)
    But I do agree that the NBA has rules that make it easier to play offense than in Euroleague. So if you prefer half-court basketball to the show of the NBA than that is your prerogative.
    I see the point of many people (including lots of Americans) who say the NBA is all show with the traveling allowed, stars getting calls and rules that favor offense.
    The reason I call it the best league is because it, hands down, has the best players. Anyone who disagrees with that is either ignorant or trolling.

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  12. John
    13 years ago

    A debate on the quality of players between the Euro league and NBA is not a real debate. Since once side is arguing purely on nationalism transferred over to athletics, there is no point in even legitimately joining in that debate, since clearly neither side will convince each other.

    If we were, for example, talking about soccer, than I would immediately agree that the European league has vastly better players than that of the MLS in America. It is pretty much the same as the soccer situation except reversed for basketball.

    Why is it that NBA rejects are some of the best players in the Euro League? Why do you draw so heavily on American players in Europe? Why do the Americans win the olympic medals the vast majority of the time?

    If you understand some economics and basic human nature- and i assume you do – than it should be obvious to see why the best players in the world inevitably choose to play in the NBA. More money, more fame, more glamour, and more endorsements.

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  13. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Haha Gabe, no offense intended 🙂 I don’t think badly of you. I just didn’t think being random commentators on an internet blog made us friends, even if we’re mutually respectful. I do respect your opinions, but sometimes your conclusion always seems to be “and therefore the Euroleague sucks,” which I don’t agree with. It can seem like you go out of your way to diminish players like JC Navarro or Spanoulis who, in my opinion, didn’t really get a fair shake in the NBA and so aren’t good points of comparison. That’s all I meant by that.

    John, you are right about that, but I also think there’s room to disagree like gentlemen, a way that hasn’t usually been taken here (I’m at fault for that too).

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      No I don’t believe Euroleague sucks, I believe it is the 2nd best league best league in the world and yes sometimes I do bait people here but I always back it up with facts. Also I think you mean Spanoulis and Jasikevicius. JC Navarro was not a bust in the NBA. He was actually on the all-rookie 2nd team and then left on his own accord after one year so while not rookie of the year or an all-star he showed he could play in the NBA unlike Spanoulis and Jasikevicius.

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  14. Erik
    13 years ago

    Phileus, Trajan Langdon was a jump shooting , spot shooter and team defender, in the rotation, in the NBA with the Cavs and had the same role in the Euroleague with CSKA.

    You are making a totally disingenuous argument here with your claims that Trajan Langdon could not make it in the NBA and that he was some kind of huge star in the Euroleague.

    Your simply posting inaccurate and untrue claims. And then if someone points this out to you, then you come up with all this stuff about how he made All Euroleague team, All Decade team, etc.

    What you obviously are incapable of comprehending is that those are TEAM awards and have literally nothing to do with any such NBA awards like All NBA.

    The guy could be the 4-5 key player on CSKA and score 12 points a game and be named in the All Decade Team. Something you simply seem unable to grasp, no matter how many times it is explained to you here. I have seen several Euro fans over time here explain these things to you and you just laugh and scoff and mock it. Then you call it delusional and crazy and all kinds of other stuff.

    I don’t understand why you expect some of the Euros here to respect your opinions so much, when you constantly post opinions about the Euroleague that are wrong.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      This shows you are the troll Erik. Langdon was a 5.4 ppg player on a bad team that Cavs team that never even made the playoffs. He was a huge star in Europe. The official Euroleague site, not me, not Phileus called Langdon “A shooting superstar and rock-solid winner” Yes a superstar, copied and pasted directly from Euroleague.net. He won two titles and was chosen Final Four MVP once and selected All-Euroleague three times, not to mention the all-decade team.

      For you to claim those are team awards is just absurd and holds no water. They are individual awards because they are given to individuals. Yes we cannot grasp that some role player can be named to All-Decade Team because anyone with a mind and a brain would know that an All-Decade Team is made up of the best players of the decade, no matter what you desperate people try to claim.

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  15. Erik
    13 years ago

    Gabe: “he showed he could play in the NBA unlike Spanoulis and Jasikevicius.”

    And this is why Euro fans consider Gabe to be a troll. Because he DOES troll European basketball here.

    Anyone that claims to have actually seen those guys play, including NBA or anywhere and says they were not good enough to play in the NBA is either a troll or an undeniable idiot.

    Jasikevicius is the best pick and roll guard in the history of basketball. He was just old and past his prime when he came to the NBA and never really got a chance to play in pick and roll there. He was used as a spot up shooting guard by the Pacers. Besides that. he WAS a rotation player for an NBA team.

    Yeah, he was old and could not guard anyone but so what? The very next season after he left the NBA, he became the worst defender in the Greek League. So, it’s not like he could guard anyone in the good European leagues either.

    And he was a guy averaging 15/8 per 36 minutes in the NBA, not even being allowed to run pick and roll, which was always about 80 percent of his game. He was also huge in 2 games against Team USA, including a win over the. Jasikevicius proved he can play in the NBA by being a rotation player with the Pacers, an NBA playoff team. “Not good enough to play in the NBA”. according to the troll Gabe.

    Spanoulis was benched unfairly by a tyrant coach who never intended to play him and totally sabotaged his career. He has been tremendous in 2 games versus Team USA, and beat them in one game, almost single-handed.

    Spanoulis is a vastly superior talent and player to European guards like Dragic, Udrih, Calderon, and Rubio who have had no problem making it in the NBA. Those guys are considered as decent talents and guards by Euro standards, while Spanoulis is considered in the extreme upper elite of European players of all time.

    American coaches like Doug Collins, Coach K, Nate McMillan, Jim Boeheim,and Mike D’Antoni have all said that Spanoulis is a great player. Coach K and D’Antoni said he was in the top best players in the world.

    “Not good enough to play in the NBA” according to the troll Gabe.

    Whether Gabe even has the brain power to grasp it or not, he IS a troll with what he says here in this website.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Funny that you say Jasikevicius came when he was past his prime since he came over right after winning a championship for Maccabi and being named the Final Four MVP and All-Euroleague First Team(but I forgot in Europe individual awards are given to role players, night is day and cats chase dogs).

      Yes, maybe Jasikevicius had more success than Spanoulis, but your stats are all wrong. He averaged 17.9 minutes in his two years the NBA but in his best year he only averaged 7.4 points and when he was traded to Golden State in his second year he couldn’t crack the rotation. And in the playoff with the Pacers he averaged 11 minutes per game and 2.8 points. Look it up on wiki.

      Spanoulis was a joke in the NBA averaging 8.8 minutes and 2.7 points.

      “Van Gundy benched Spanoulis after he played poorly, citing that rookie players are dangerous for coaches that are in contract years and that Spanoulis was too turnover prone and lacking in outside shooting touch to be a good fit in Van Gundy’s offensive system design. Said Van Gundy about the situation: “(Spanoulis) says, ‘I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.’ Great. McGrady is McGrady here,” .. “I feel badly for him. He feels he was misled. Frankly, he’s been his own worst enemy in many ways. Some of it is excuses. His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting percentage has been low. I would rather anybody start out with self-evaluation — what can I do better? — versus lash out and blame. Because I’m not playing him now doesn’t mean he won’t play in the future or we don’t feel he could be a good player. I think he’s allowed his disappointment to go to discouragement, which has, at times, stunted his improvement. We’ll see. We’ll see.”

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  16. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Meh.

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  17. Mike
    13 years ago

    Who the hell is this Gabe idiot?

    Dusan Ivkovic, who has coached many NBA players said that Spanoulis is the best player he has ever coached. That he has never had a player like him that can do everything in the game required in a point guard and that he can score 30 any time he needs to.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.redplanet.gr/&ei=WVYJT5KgKKTC2wWp9pAs&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dredplanet.gr%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D863%26prmd%3Dimvns

    This coming from a guy that coached many NBA players and several of the greatest European players of all time. And we are supposed to believe Gabe that he isn’t even capable of playing in the NBA.

    LMFAO

    And Jasikevicius came to the NBA the summer after he had a KNEE SURGERY and he was never the same player after that. Frankly, he’s been nothing but a minor role player in Europe since he came back from the NBA, and was better in the NBA than he has been in Europe since that time.

    I guarantee that this Gabe fool is some kind of black supremacist, patriotic, xenophobic USA only moron.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      More excuses eh? The only knee surgery I see for Jasikevicius was in 2009, show me a link that shows he had knee surgery in 2005. When he came back to Europe he won a Euroleague championship again in 2009 becoming the only player in basketball history to win the Euroleague with three different teams. And he lead that Euroleague champion team in assists in both Final Four games. So he was only a minor role player who lead a Euroleague champion team in assists in both Final Four games in 2009.
      Sorry Mike, in today’s internet world with information at everyone’s fingertips you get called out for your bullshit.

      As for Spanoulis we are arguing the theoretical saying he isn’t capable of playing in the NBA when the fact is in his one year in the NBA he averaged 8.8 minutes and 2.7 points. Spanoulis thought because he was a superstar in Euroleague that he deserved respect but what a player does in Euroleague means nothing in the NBA. So instead of practicing and playing harder when he was benched for bad play he whined like a prima donna and came back to Europe a failure with his tail behind his legs.

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  18. Zoran
    13 years ago

    is proven fact. Gabe is retarded.

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  19. Zoran
    13 years ago

    Oh and please ban this rude idiot from site here.

    “Spanoulis thought because he was a superstar in Euroleague that he deserved respect but what a player does in Euroleague means nothing in the NBA. So instead of practicing and playing harder when he was benched for bad play he whined like a prima donna and came back to Europe a failure with his tail behind his legs.”

    He is just post crazy untrue craps like this here all the time and he should be told to stop it. Not one thing in such statement as that is true. He just makes up this fantasy from his own mind and posts it and then says insults to any others who disagree with his crap lies.

    He must be a real pathetic person.

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