Ricky Rubio impresses in debut for Minnesota Timberwolves

December 18, 2011

Well now, BallinEurope only waited for this for years – even though BiE never thought he’d see it from Minnesota. Last night saw Ricky Rubio’s debut for the Timberwolves in a preseason matchup versus the Milwaukee Bucks and, awesomely enough, contributed a couple of YouTube-worthy moments.

(Is it enough to “bring folks back to Target Center” to witness the perhaps not-quite-so-woeful ‘Wolves in 2011-12? We’ll see.)

In any case, below runs Rubio’s top play: a magic feed for the alley-oop jam by fellow NBA rookie Derrick Williams s the game became a thorough rout in the fourth quarter.

And this second clip is a nice compilation of Ricky’s achievements on this “momento historico” put together by the most excellent Dejan Body. Speaking of excellent, Rubio went for six points, seven assists, six rebounds and two steals; yes, it’s the preseason and the competition ain’t the grandest, but still, big things may, in fact, be coming.

Dec 18, 2011ballineurope

This post was published on December 18, 2011

Comments: 45

biggity2bit
11 years ago
I will say that we here in Minnesota are loving Rubio. Over 2000 people showed up at Target Center today to watch a free ‘scrimmage.’ Mostly people just want to see him play more. With all the Wolves’ shooters and athletic finishers, Rubio is in a pretty good spot to not have to score much.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Yeah. I really think Rubio will do well in the NBA, it’s more suited to his game. You don’t have to be a great shooter and he is playing with more athletic people to throw ally-oops to then in Euroleague. I don’t think Juan Carlos Navarro catches many ally-oops.
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AL
11 years ago
JCN aint need a 50 inch vert to score over some NBA fool.
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Phileus
11 years ago
I do think he’s the right kind of guard for the Wolves, but he’s not world-class or even All-Star level. He’s not at that level right now and it’s hard to see him developing into that in the future. He’ll never be a D-Rose or D-Will but he doesn’t need to be to succeed in Minny.

Best of luck to him and to Minny’s long-suffering fans 😛
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RJS
11 years ago
Gabe, you’re an idiot and a troll. Will Rubio be throwing alleyoops to many 6’3″ shooting guards in Minnesota?
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Phileus
11 years ago
Yeah Gabe, I have to say, that was kind of an unnecessarily inflammatory comment, intentionally targeting one of the darlings of the anti-NBA people when there were better examples you could have used 😉

It’s good enough to say that his skills (as they are now) seem best suited for the team he has: young, talented, and athletic players from 3-5 whose athleticism and speed will let him maximize his court vision and passing abilities.
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Celaya
11 years ago
Possibly the worst rotation point guard in the Euroleague and NBA fans are already drooling over him?

Gabe must be the single biggest idiot to ever visit this site.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Worst rotation guard yet contributor and sometimes starting point guard to teams that won Eurochallenge and Euroleague, not to mention Team Spain which won Eurobasket and is the 2nd best national team in the world. He has also been named defensive player of the year for the ACB which he has led in steals for two years. As I said his game is more suited to the high flying nba where he is not expected to score but will be passing to much better athletes than in Euroleague.
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Zoran
11 years ago
Who is this Gabe guy? Seriously…what the hell? No one in Spain even thinks Rubio is a good player. Dude was a total scrub the last 2 years in Spain.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Okay, okay Rubio is a scrub. That just goes to show how weak European and the rest of the world is compared to USA basketball. Team Spain, which is the second best team in the world, is so far behind Team USA that they have to use a scrub on their team. Spain was able to win Eurobasket with a scrub playing their team! Man the other European national teams must be really weak and Spain can’t find 12 decent players to field a team!!
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gabe is liar
11 years ago
why the hell is gabe troll always here? screw you gabe. you are such a rude troll with always coming here and always making up lies about game in europe.

rubio sucked donkey balls in euroleague. this site is like a joke that it allows such trollin from you every week here.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  No no no. I understand that Rubio is a scrub who sucked donkey balls in euroleague. I am just commenting how weak Eurobasket and European players must be that the top European team that has won Eurobasket two times in a row, Spain, has such horrible players. In EuroBasket 2011 Rubio was 7th in minutes played on Team Spain and 6 out of the 7 Spanish players who had more minutes than Rubio were already in the NBA. If Spain can win Eurobasket with a scrub as their 7th man imagine how weak the other European teams must be! Or maybe it’s because Spain is so talented with 6 NBA players and JCN that the other 5 players can all suck, I’m not sure.
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Niko
11 years ago
And that means the NBA is much weaker than the EuroBasket. Since an awful Euroleague point guard (Rubio) is already being predicted to be the NBA Rookie of the Year.

Pretty much proves NBA is a lower level than the EuroBasket.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Who’s predicting that? Really show me a link of anything that has predicted that. That “great” Euroleague shooting guard, Juan Carlos Navarro couldn’t get Rookie of the Year when he was in the NBA, in fact we didn’t even get Rookie First Team, it was only on Rookie Second Team and Spanoulis and Jasikevicius were jokes who couldn’t even do that .
  btw Are Kirilenko and Krstic still dominating Euroleague? What a joke!
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Phileus
11 years ago
Actually, Gabe, three out of 30 NBA experts on ESPN predicted Rubio as ROY (4th place): http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/page/Predictions1112-ROY/nba-rookie-year-predictions

That’s pretty silly, I think, but probably a recognition of his playing style combined with the type of team Minnesota has.

Still, I have to laugh when people say the Euroleague is “better” when undrafted players who couldn’t make the NBA constantly dominate across the pond, and former Euroleague stars often fail in the NBA, even as reserves.

Let’s just agree that there are different “styles” of the game, and refrain from making any idiotic inflammatory comparisons.
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Apollo
11 years ago
Who the hell is an undrafted player that dominated in Euroleague?

Who the hell?

Name them.

Otherwise stop trolling.
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Phileus
11 years ago
Really? Are you serious? Here’s a quick list off the top of my head:

Undrafted:
– Mike Batiste
– Bo McCalebb
– J.R. Holden
– Terrell McIntyre
– Jeremy Pargo

Not undrafted, but players who were underperformers/no-names in the NBA who dominated in the Euroleague:
– Romain Sato
– Pete Mickeal
– Anthony Parker
– Tyus Edney
– Trajan Langdon
– Marcus Haislip

There’s a whole lot of Euroleague MVPs/top-scorers/All-Euroleague team honorees in that list.

I’m not trolling, since obviously a lot of players who dominated in Europe did well in the NBA too. I’m just pointing out that some players have styles that are better adapted to one “style” of game (which may depend on the league, or the team make-up, or the coach) than another.

So, Rubio may have been a terrible player with his team in Spain, but it’s possible (and even likely) that’s he’s much better suited to play with a team like Minnesota under Adelman. Making generalizations about the quality of Euroleague or NBA basketball on the performance of a player in one league versus his performance in the other league is ridiculous.
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John
11 years ago
As a long-time Euroleague fan I find the Americans here to be extremely insulting to the game in Europe and to all European basketball fans.

There is not a single player you listed that was ever in his whole time in Europe anything close to being considered “dominant”.

Please keep the insults against European basketball out of this blog site.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Okay then what is the definition of “dominant”? Anthony Parker was the only Euroleague player to repeat as Euroleague MVP and he also won a Euroleague Final Four MVP. If that is not anything close to being considered “dominant” than no one can be close to be considered “dominant”. Maybe the term “dominant” is wrong because no one can be dominant in a team game so how about saying that those players Phileus mentioned are or were among the top players in the league and they have the championships, Euroleague MVP awards, Euroleague Final Four MVP Awards and All-Euroleague Team selections to prove it.
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Phileus
11 years ago
Hey there John,

Apollo was just wrong.

The point is that, at any given point in the past decade, there has been an undrafted player and/or a player who didn’t make it in the NBA, that was able to achieve the highest levels of Euroleague success.

You’re quibbling with the words, but deliberately missing the whole point of the posts. Three of those players were on the Euroleague All-Decade team. One undrafted player I never heard of (Alphonse Ford) has a freaking Euroleague trophy named after him. If those players weren’t “dominant,” then there is no player in the past decade who has been “dominant” in the Euroleague, period, but that’s not even the point. I think Gabe’s clarification is a good one.

Actually I suspect you’re just Apollo, and you’re too ashamed to admit you’re wrong so you are just trying to flame-bait under yet another sock puppet account. If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, then it’s not worth talking to you. I’m always up for some good-natured arguments about my favorite sport, but you guys with your strange inferiority complex and vitriol don’t seem to be the right people to provide it.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Hi Phileus,
  
  You make good points. Lots of these guys post the most insane posts and it probably steams from an inferiority complex. No one in their right mind can believe that Euroleague is a higher level than the NBA. That’s like arguing that the MLS is a higher level than the English Premier League (I bet on an American soccer sites there aren’t people claiming that so I think it is an interesting cultural thing). Perhaps you’re right and it is only one or two loonies posting under different names.
  
  One correction though. Alphonse Ford was drafted in the 2nd round with the 32nd pick in 1993.
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Phileus
11 years ago
You’re missing my point, too 😛 Never mind…
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Ummm… Okay so I don’t really understand your “point”, I mean this isn’t James Joyce. I’m just saying I agree with your posts.
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Zoran
11 years ago
This blog is pathetic. The way lets these NBA fans post this BS about how all these guys “dominated” Euroleague.

Ridiculous crap.

Not a single player listed in this discussion ever dominated in Euroleague. PLEASE stop the BULL SHIT.

JUST STOP IT

The ONLY players that came near to a dominant time in Euroleague in the last decade was,

Bodiroga 2000-2003

Jasikevicius 2004-2005

Diamantidis 2011

That is it.

No other player was “dominant”, and out of that group, ONLY Bodiroga was an example of true dominance.

Langdon, Batiste, Parker, etc…………….please put down the crack pipe because you are embarrassing this site with your absurd comments.

I mean good god claiming that Haislip dominated Euroleague? Lay off the drugs and stay the hell off this forum if you are going to post such unbelievably insulting and insane comments as that.

There really should be some bans for such comments as that. It’s an absolute disgrace that a comment like that was not deleted.
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- Os Davis
  11 years ago
  Aw, Zoran, i really can’t delete comments based on an opinion of basketball. Although you do make good points about the players who *truly* dominated Euroleague ball. Though i’d argue that Kirilenko would be on your list had he played this entire season, clearly the terms “dominant” and “to dominate” are overused in sports conversations today…
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  I don’t know how you can put Jasikevicius over Parker. They both have a Euroleague Final Four MVP (from the same team) the difference is Parker won two Euroleague MVPs in a row while Jasikevicius has never won that award.
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Phileus
11 years ago
Sorry! My English isn’t as good as it should be 😉
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- Os Davis
  11 years ago
  Phileus, believe me: Native speakers are the worst offenders … would you believe “more dominant” is an accepted (though highly grammatically incorrect) term now? Yeesh…
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Phileus
11 years ago
Hehe, yeah 😛 I used the wrong word, but I do think it’s not uncommon to use it in that way in sports talk here. Still, I can admit when I’m wrong. Sorry, Zoran.

But replace “dominate” with “achieved the highest levels of success” and the point still stands 😉
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Apollo
11 years ago
Gabe is such an ass in this forum.

“I don’t know how you can put Jasikevicus over Parker”…Parker won this, blah blah blah

Tell that to the millions of people that watched Euroleague in those years you idiot.

Parker played off the ball, got transition layups, shot open spot up 3 point shots, and slashed to the bucket off kick outs.

85-90 percent of ever basket he made in those years was created by Jasikevicius. Parker played the SAME EXACT ROLE in Maccabi that he plays in Cleveland. He was just younger and and in his prime then and could take more shots and play more minutes then because he had better stamina and athletic ability then.

He was a ROLE PLAYER that played as a COMPLIMENTARY player to Jasikevicius.

It’s so sad how these idiots like Gabe that never in their whole life ever saw a Euroleague game are allowed to constantly come here and post this made up, fantasy revisionist history about Euroleague here.

If any Euroleague fan made 2 such posts on an NBA site they would be banned permanently. All Gabe does is come here to manipulate, twist, and distort facts about the Euroleague in order to make it look bad and make the NBA look better than it really is.

There needs to be some kind of standard held to posts these guys are making, because it’s just ridiculous.

The Euroleague MVP award is a TEAM award, based on TEAM play, not individual play. And yet, with that being the case, we have this douche bag Gabe using that award as some kind of way to claim Parker “dominated Euroleague”.

Yeah sure, the guy that was not even the best player on his own team “dominated Euroleague”.

This site has gotten impossible to read because of this Gabe fool. I’m out and I am sure all other European fans are too, because no European fan wants to come here and read this Gabe guy’s endless trolling in every damn article here.

And this Phileus guy is almost as bad. Claiming that guys that even got cut numerous times by Euroleague teams due to poor play (Marcus Haislip, Jannero Pargo), “dominated Euroleague”. Or that “numerous undrafted average college players dominated Euroleague”.

The guy is delusional.

Is this the same Euroleague that just CUT Kalin Lucas (Michigan State star) and Matt Howard (Butler star) because of poor play? Is it that same Euroleague?

Same Euroleague where Duke star Jon Scheyer is a 13th man?

Is it the same Euroleague where Oman Samhan (NCAA tournament star) hardly ever even got into a game in 2 years? Same Euroleague with numerous other examples of top NCAA stars being nothing more than scrubs in it?

Is this the same Euroleague where Ty Lawson, Ricky Rubio, and Brandon Jennings were scrubs?

Is this the same Euroleague where long time NBA rotation players like Giricek, Nachbar, Pargo, Delk, etc. (MANY other examples) were at best mediocre players?

Is the same Euroleague where average role players like Casspi now start in the NBA?

Is the same Euroleague where this season Lawson, Pachulia, Reggie Williams, and about 5 other NBA rotation players were either mediocre or even some of them among the WORST players in the whole league?

is this the same Euroleague that trolls Gabe and Phileus are talking about or is there some other imaginary Euroleague out there that I don’t know about that they are talking about?
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  No Apollo don’t leave! You’re so good for a laugh. You must be the most insane, insecure, delusional fans in the history of basketball! Euroleague MVP is a team award. ROTFL! That’s a good one! That’s why it’s given to individuals. This is what Apollo does to argue against facts. He’s so funny, I love him!!! I’m really suspecting that Apollo is playing a character, ala Stephen Colbert. He is such an over-the-top insane denier it is hilarious, he can’t be for real. So Parker and Jasikevicius were on the same team but Euroleague just randomly decided to give Parker the two Euroleague MVP Awards and a Euroleague Final Four award because it’s a team award? lol And Parker, Holden and Langdon were on the Euroleague All-Decade Team because they were just complimentary players and the All-Decade Team is a “team” award as well. Thanks for the laugh Apollo!
  
  Sorry Apollo, in today’s modern age where all information is at everybody’s fingertips you are exposed as a fraud. I think I’ll take official Euroleague INDIVIDUAL awards over the ravings of an insecure lunatic.
  
  Yes the same Euroleague where Kirilenko, Batum, Farmer and Krstic (NBA role and bench players) were/are among the top players in the Euroleague during the lockout!
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Phileus
11 years ago
Hey there Apollo,

Thank you for your kind comments. I always knew that I wasn’t as bad as Gabe (take that, Gabe!).

I would just like to point one small problem in your argument. I never said, “All players who went undrafted dominate in the Euroleague.” I said, “There are players who were undrafted who dominated [a bad word to use, as I admitted] the Euroleague.”

And that point, as I qualified it, is still objectively true. It’s a fact. There are scores of players who could not succeed in the NBA who have thrived in the Euroleague, being named MVP or scoring the most or being part of the All-Decade team or whatever.

What does this mean? Maybe it means, as I said above, that the Euroleague style of basketball is different from the NBA style (without saying one or the other is better). Or maybe it means nothing.

Have a nice day. I hope it’s not as cold there as it is here.
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Eric K
11 years ago
Gabe should be banned from this site. I totally agree. He lies about Euroleague history on a daily basis here. He should have banned a long time ago.

And yes, Euroleague MVP is a team award. It says right in the voting ballot that it must be voted for based on team play and not stats or individual play.

It is based on wins and losses, place in the tourney, and then which player does the most supposedly as the voter sees it as an all around team player.

Robert Horry would have 3-4 NBA MVP awards if the NBA had the same rules for the voting. This Gabe person should indeed be banned, because he lies every single day here about literally every facet of the Euroleague.

The All Euroleague team, MVP, FF MVP have never been the same an any NBA award. And the guy should be told to shut up and stop trolling here after he makes those false and untrue claims.

The Euroleague award are TEAM awards and have ZERO analogy to any NBA awards. You could lead the Euroleague in scoring and assists and not even be nominated for the MVP award.

So yeah, Gabe is pretty much a cancerous blight on this whole site with his drivel that is always being spewed here. I’ve honestly never seen him make a single post that wasn’t a lie.
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Eric K
11 years ago
Phileus is full of shit too. He can’t even have the brains to grasp that guys like Langdon and Holden were role players in Euroleague. He can’t even have the brain power to grasp they are team awards, as Apollo said and not individual awards.

Yeah, Holden, who was like the 6th best player on CSKA “dominated”. Langdon played the role of spot shooter and team defender. Strange, because that is the same role he had on NBA playoff teams.

So Langdon played the same role in Euroleague that he played on NBA playoff teams, and this moron Phileus claims he didn’t play in the NBA and then that he was dominating Euroleague.

You dumb asses don’t know a damn thing about basketball.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Langdon won the Euroleague Final Four MVP so it means when CSKA won the championship Langdon was voted the best player of the final four by the media and fans, not insecure lunatics like Erik K and Apollo.
  Parker was voted (by media and fans) the best player of the Euroleague before the Final Four for two years in a role.
  And is the Euroleague all decade team decided on team play too?
  lol People who have a lot more sense then you guys voted Parker, Holden and Langdon as 3 of the top ten Euroleague players of the decade.
  Only retards would actually believe that “role” players or 6th men would be given these prestigious awards.
  On the Euroleague official site look up the all-decade team. Here is what it says about Parker.
  “As back-to-back champion with Maccabi in 2004 and 2005, Parker dominated the competition while twice being voted the Euroleague MVP and once the Final Four MVP. He posted the best per-game performance rating all decade.”
  And here’s what is says about Langdon:
  “A shooting superstar and rock-solid winner, Langdon lifted the continental trophy with CSKA in 2006 and 2008, when he was chosen Final Four MVP. He played in five title games and was selected All-Euroleague three times.”
  This is not lies I made up. This is what I copied and pasted directly from the Official Euroleague website.
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  - Gabe
    11 years ago
    I left out what Euroleague wrote about Holden “6th best player on his team”:
    “A great scorer, lockdown defender and leader, Holden has been the steadiest of superstars all decade. His seven consecutive Final Fours with CSKA tie a record, while Euroleague titles in 2006 and 2008 assure his place among the elite.”
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Phileus
11 years ago
Gabe, you should know by now that the Euroleague doesn’t know anything about basketball… 😛

“So Langdon played the same role in Euroleague that he played on NBA playoff teams”

Either you’re stupid, or you’re finally dropping big hints that you’re just trolling Gabe and me. Langdon was never on an NBA playoff team. He was a 5 PPG bench player on a horrible Cavs squad, who couldn’t shoot effectively against NBA defenders, couldn’t generate his own offense, and was a liability on defense.

So Langdon “played the same role”, i.e. a bad scorer and mediocre (at best) defender, in Europe, and was an All-Decade player as the best player on multiple championship teams? If that’s true, then you just proved Gabe’s point for him.

Also, stop lying, you filthy lying liar lying liar-pants liar-face. I never claimed that Langdon never played in the NBA. I just said he didn’t succeed, which is, sadly, true. He was probably my favorite college basketball player of all time, so I think I know what I’m talking about with him 🙂 I’m still sure to this day that he would have become a solid NBA role player, but why would he take that over being a more highly-paid star in Europe?

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On a more serious note, it’s depressing that you’re trying so hard to diminish the great careers of these very good and classy players, just because you hate Americans and want to satisfy your own xenophobia. Give these players the credit they deserve. The Euroleague itself did, after all. I would never try to marginalize the success of Sabonis or Divac or Stojakovic or Ginobili or Nowitzki or Yao in the NBA. A real basketball fan loves good basketball regardless of the place it’s played in or the nationalities of the players. What you’re doing here is not just objectively wrong, it’s also pretty shameful. Love the game.
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- Gabe
  11 years ago
  Well said Phileus. I think I want to actually defend these lunatics a little bit though. The difference is when those foreigners came to the NBA they had already achieved high levels of success in their leagues back at home, as opposed to the Americans who came to Europe. Obviously all American ballers dream of playing in the NBA so when they “cross the pond” it is because they couldn’t make it in the NBA. So when posters like Apollo and Eric K diminish these players I don’t think it’s necessarily because of xenophobia and hating Americans, I think it stems more from that they cannot accept that the NBA is better than Euroleague therefore they cannot accept the fact that players who didn’t succeed in the NBA achieved the highest level of success in Euroleague.
  btw Did you notice that Euroleague described Parker as “dominating the competition”? lol
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Niko
11 years ago
There is not a chance in hell that Gabe has ever seen a Euroleague game in his life. This otherwise good site is ruined by Gabe.
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Niko
11 years ago
BTW, I won’t be reading this site anymore after the things I see from this Gabe and Phileus. I don’t come to a Euro ball site to be trolled by these NBA only fans.
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Apollo
11 years ago
Ricky Rubio basically confirms that the NBA is an easier league to play than the Euroleague, where it is harder to score and harder to play on offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-MI6Z1cV4
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Apollo
11 years ago
NBATV:

“Ricky, what’s the biggest adjustment you have had to make from playing in Barcelona, to now playing here in the states?”

Ricky Rubio:

“It’s basketball, so in the end of the day, it’s the same thing. But, over here, maybe, you can run more. There are more spaces because there is [a] defensive 3 second zone.

And it’s easy to play here, because of all the spaces you have, and they can’t be more than 3 seconds in the zone. So that [it] looks easier going to the rim.
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Phileus
11 years ago
Hey, you finally agreed with me, and are supporting what I said all along: that the leagues have different styles of play that suit different players differently!

High-five, Apollo! Today is a big day for us both. I knew you would see the light 🙂
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Goran
11 years ago
Rubio said the NBA is an EASIER league and it is EASIER to score and get to the rim in the NBA.

That is what all European fans have been saying here forever and NBA only fan trolls like you and Gabe have been denying it. NBA has much worse defense than Euroleague. This is a fact and yet NBA fans just refuse to ever admit this.
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Niko
11 years ago
here is what he said –

NBATV:

“Ricky, what’s the biggest adjustment you have had to make from playing in Barcelona, to now playing here in the states?”

Ricky Rubio:

“It’s basketball, so in the end of the day, it’s the same thing. But, over here, maybe, you can run more. There are more spaces because there is [a] defensive 3 second zone.

And it’s easy to play here, because [of] all the spaces you have, and they can’t be more than 3 seconds in the zone. So that [it] looks easier going to the rim.

Can be seen in NBA TV interview here —>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-MI6Z1cV4

He clearly says that NBA is easier league and is easier to score in because of the less zone and easier to get to the rim. Easier because of more open and running (example – no defense)…………..

he says NOTHING about it being because of “superior coaches” “more athletic players” “better teammates”, “better finishers:” – nothing at all of any of this BULL SHIT that is posted here all the time by that troll Gabe from Houston that posts under name Da Dakota in clutchfans.net site where he is known as the biggest troll of all time in that forum. he also posts in spurstalk.com site and is also a huge troll there.

he also trolled endlessly on FIBA.com forums until he was banned by the Swiss moderators there for his constant insults to Europeans, European basketball, and European countries.

Gabe’s picture:

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6030/15936781.jpg
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