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All eyes on Bobby Brown going into Montepaschi Siena-BC Khimki match

January 11, 2013

“In the future, everyone will be famous for one news-cycle” — that’s how BallinEurope would update Andy Warhol’s well-worn line for the 21st century. Until the story’s been beaten to death (and the public consciousness’ short-term fascination ends) on Friday, everyone gets a turn in the media spotlight: Honey Boo Boo, McKayla Maroney’s face, UFO landing strips in China … the list goes on.

Bobby Brown has enjoyed a nice run this week in his alloted personal media cycle to culminate in his surprising Montepaschi Siena’s game against sharp-looking BC Khimki Moscow Region tonight. Brown went viral thanks his record-tying 41-point teeing off last week against Fenerbahce Ulker, ironically the team for whom Brown’s predecessor Bo McCalebb eschewed Siena. Speculation snowballed until millions of Americans who’d forgotten the NBA journeyman of 2008-10 rediscovered the Cal State Fullerton product thanks to a piece from Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, who recalled the days of 19th-century sports journalism in referring to the “Euro League”.

But for us over here in the know, Bobby’s been one of the Euroleague’s most interesting stories all season.

Brown started the season not only having to fill the shoes of the top scorer of EL 2011-12/Team FYR Macedonia miracle man McCalebb, but with a nasty reputation on The Continent for being little more than a black hole. Ten games with Asseco Prokom back in 2010 was enough to give Brown this rep, and why not? His average line of 2.7-of-7.0 shooting and a lowly 1.8 assists per EL match showed poor shot selection and little ability/desire to find the open man in a static offense.

His showing in 2010 was quite a shocker for those who’d seen his rookie pro season in Alba Berlin. In Germany, Brown had shown an effective all-around game resulting in stats of 13.8 ppg/3.7 apg/2.55 rpg: Here was the guy fans had seen at Fullerton.

So what was it? Did three years of bouncing around NBA teams unwilling to let a 6’2″ (188cm) guard drive to the hole ruin Brown’s on-ball moves and court vision?

Flash forward to 2011. The combination of a ho-hum half-year with Aris BC in which he shot under 35% overall while jacking up over five threes per game plus perhaps the realization that his career could well be in danger of bottoming out, Brown upped his game for EWE Baskets Oldenburg: This was the player we’d seen at Fullerton State.

Back in the Bundesliga, Brown managed his highest overall shooting percentage (42.3%) in his pro career; more importantly, however, Brown’s ratio of two-point to three-point attempts of 240:202 marked the sanest in his years in European and NBA ball. And the passing … in 2011-12, Brown was wizardly once again with 4.7 dishes per game.

Everything was set for a triumphant return to Euroleague to wash away the bad memories of 2010; except all but Bundesliga fanatics didn’t see it coming.

Game one of the EL regular season seemed to prove the doubters correct. Brown was a disappointing 4-of-11 with just two forgettable assists as Alba Berlin shocking the low-budget Italian side. The following game was just as disappointing for Bobby and Siena, as they lost a two-point squeaker to Maccabi. While Brown played the last six minutes of the cliffhanger, he was mostly a non-factor as David Blatt sent his troops to stifle the sure go-to guy throughout the final quarter.

So with an 0-2 hole dug in the EL (not to mention a couple losses back home in Serie A play), Brown and Siena came back. Over the next four games, Brown averaged 26.0 points and 6.0 assists per. His incredible 15 fouls drawn against Elan Chalon in week four showed an aggression and capability to break down offenses unseen since he was fighting for a job in the ‘States.

Despite a speed bump in the week eight Unicaja game, Brown has steadily risen up the Euroleague MVP trackers’ charts. Those 41 points may have been anomolous in the historical sense, the show wasn’t especially surprising in this amazing career year.
And after that explosion we’re told that “Several NBA teams have inquired about the possibility of signing him as a backup point guard” — presumably two of these would be the New Orleans Hornets and Sacramento/Seattle Kings, both (presently desperate) squads who’d had Brown on the roster at times last decade — and so will be watching tonight’s match with interest.

So what to expect?

With Montepaschi’s main weakness at the center spot (sharing time there are Luca Lechthaler, Benjamin Ortner and the strangely inconsistent Tomas Ress), Luca Banchi will certainly be looking for Brown to be driving often. Brown’s skills have been shown this season to be well-suited against the sort of interior D that Khimki brings: The Russian side is tops thus far in blocks per game but is decimal points from the bottom in fouls committed. In the last two games, Brown is an incredible 19-of-19 from the line on 17 (!) fouls drawn.

After the recent Bobby Brown show in Istanbul and the concomitant media circus, the Khimki backcourt zones will surely be keying on no. 6. And while the Russian side sure looked good in stifling a Bomba-free Barcelona last week, Khimki has shown itself to be quite vulnerable to quick guys attacking from the arc; see Bo’s 17 points on 8-of-13 two-shooting in game one; Pietro Aradori’s 13 points and four assists in game three; the whopping 37 put up by Jaycee Carroll and Rudy Fernandez in game seven.

With the hype machine working the way it does, though, anything short of, say, 25 points and a bunch of dishes will disappoint the NBA-side blogosphere. BiE believes that the majority of Brown’s points tonight will come from at charity stripe, though his season-high mark of 10 assists may be endangered. He might just rack up a 20/12 game tonight — enough to keep NBA scouts interested and Brown himself considering the European alpha dog vs. million-dollar American bench jockey argument — but BiE’d be surprised to see Bobby survive into the next media cycle.

While us over here in the know continue to hum the ballad of Bobby Brown as he and Montepaschi Siena roll on…

Jan 11, 2013ballineurope
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Comments: 31
  1. Niko
    12 years ago

    1. He’s a good player and always was. Very exciting, very athletic, really fun to watch player.

    2. Why the hell would he want to be a backup in the NBA? NBA general managers are delusional jerks. How they expect players doing well in Euroleague to take less money in the NBA and set on the bench.

    3. To be fair and objective here though, he’s one of the worst defenders in Euroleague. Never plays defense some times in an entire 40 minute game.

    That’s the real reason I think some complaints about him have come over the years. When he played with Aris, you know, not ever guarding anyone is a big no no in teams like that.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Many, many players take less money to play in the NBA and sit on the bench. Nando de Colo just gave an interview where he said he would prefer to play in the NBA even if he could make more money and get more playing time in Euroleague and that’s a European player saying that, imagine how American players feel.

      For one reason players want to play in the best league in the world. Another reason is, if the players are really good, and most players at this level believe they are elite, than they will get the opportunity to start in the NBA and if they are really good become a NBA star and a star in the NBA makes a lot more than a star in Euroleague.

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      • Zoran
        12 years ago

        There is not any team in Europe would pay de Colo as much as Spurs pays him. Not even close.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Of course. How could teams in Europe pay as much as an NBA team? That was not my point,. My point was that de Colo said that EVEN (even as in theoretically speaking) if he could get more pay and more playing time he would prefer playing in the NBA.

          “My first choice was the NBA. Even if I could earn more money in a big European club or get more playing time early on,”

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          • vomit gabe troll
            12 years ago

            Many Euroleague teams are far richer than NBA team you colossal POS. Their point was that no team would pay De Colo that in Europe because he’s not worth that much money on the European market.

            You are again a crazy fucking lunatic that is totally making up and imagining complete bullshit from your own fucking hallucinations.

            De Colo was offered no more than about half what the Spurs pay him. Not because “no team in Europe can pay that” you fucking unbelievable scumbag (many, many, many, many players in Europe make more than that, some make like 8 times what De Colo makes). The point is that no team in Europe thinks he is worth that.

            So why the fuck do you keep bringing up completely unrelated and meaningless bullshit here? SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

            SERIOUS GOD DAMN QUESTION. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

            ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD OR WHAT?

            “but he would take less money to play in Europe” blah blah blah – the motherfucker was offered LESS in Europe, not “more”.

            You are some kind of unbelievable sick and demented lunatic.

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            Many Euroleague teams are far richer than NBA teams. That is why the richest Euroleague teams budget is only 44 million Euros and after that the next highest is 28 million Euros. While the Lakers budget is 95 million. So maybe the Euroleague teams with the highest budgets would be equal (or in case of CSKA a little more) than the NBA teams with the lowest budgets. But to say many Euroleague teams are far richer than NBA teams is just a boldface lie. Remember Euroleague is where a team supposedly threw a top 16 game because the players were not paid.

            And the reason I bought up what De Colo said is because you implied that no Euroleague player would take less money to be on an NBA bench and I just game a quote that said De Colo said he would do that very exact thing.

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  2. Gabe
    12 years ago

    Take for example Jeremy Pargo. He was a star in Euroleague (all-Euroleague 2nd team and a starter in a Final Four team), I don’t know about his salary, but he choose to come to the NBA as a back-up and is averaging about 20 mpg less than he was in Euroleague.

    I mean maybe for some European players you can argue that they are content in Euroleague and wouldn’t want to go to the NBA as a back-up, but the majority of American players would rather pursue their dreams of the NBA, even if it means riding the bench, than being a super-star in Euroleague.

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    • Zoran
      12 years ago

      Jeremy Pargo was never any star in Euroleague. You are imagining fiction from your own thoughts.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Well now we arguing semantics. He was selected to all-Euroleague 2nd team and the starting point guard for a team that made the Euroleague final four.

        Any NBA player who as much makes and all-star game (like the top 25 stars) I call a star so really an NBA player who makes the all-NBA third team is a super star so I think I can refer to a player who makes the all-Euroleage second team a star in Euroleague and he was also a major contributor and one of the best two players of a Euroleague final star.

        If he could not be referred to as a star that year that means there are really how only 5 stars in Euroleague. I tend to think the top 10-20 players in a league should be referred to as that leagues stars but I guess that is a personal preference.

        So Jeremy Pargo was one of the top 10 players in Euroleague and on a top team and he choose to go to the NBA to be a back-up on one of the worst NBA teams.

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        • vomit gabe troll
          12 years ago

          The NBA is the only league that has a distinction of starters and bench. In Euroleague there is NO DISTINCTION. Many times the best player of the team COMES OFF THE BENCH.

          I have seen you say here about 10,000 times that Krstic is the best center in Europe and anyone that disagrees with that is “certifiably insane”.

          But then you go on and on here about “starters”. Rubio was a starter this, Pargo a starter that, and claim that them being a “starter” means something important.

          You are unbelievably STUPID.

          Nenad Krstic who you claim is the “best center in Europe” comes off the bench.

          Papaloukas was Euroleague MVP coming off the bench.

          There is NO GOD DAMN DISTINCTION BETWEEN STARTERS AND BENCH IN EUROPE.

          HOW MAN GOD DAMN FUCKING TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO EXPLAINED TO YOU? WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SUCH A FREAKING BASTARD?

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            Fine. Again we’re arguing semantics here. Not only did Pargo start on the Euroleague runner up he also led them in minutes per game, points and assists. There are you happy?

            http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=TEL&seasoncode=E2010

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            Man, sometimes I have to admit even I am shocked by these stats. I mean here is a guy who led a Euroleague funner-up in minutes, points and assists and he goes to the NBA to be a back-up on one of the worst teams! I know the Euroleague is a lot lower than the NBA but sometimes even I am shocked by the gap between them when I see stuck like this. It would be like Westbrook leaving the NBA to be a back-up on a Euroleague team that does not even reach the top 16. Really shocking. More shocking even than Bobby Brown’s or Kirilenko’s dominance in Euroleague.

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  3. Derrick
    12 years ago

    Sienna just lost by +30! to Sassari.96-66.
    A team that is not in Euroleague, and I believe not in the Eurocup too.
    While Brown had 13 points.

    A small margin lose would be ok. But losing by 30!
    is not a good indicator for the team’s future.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Wow. For a Euroleague team that is 3-0 and one of only four Euroleague teams to be undefeated in the top 16 to lose by 30 points to a team in the Italian league or Eurocup shows that Euroleague level is not much higher than Eurocup or the Italian league or really other national leagues, in Europe and around the world.

      I think a top Euroleague getting blown out by 30 points like that to an Italian league team shows that talent wise Euroleague is a lot closer to the Italian, French, Australian, Israeli, Chinese, etc…leagues than it is to the NBA.

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  4. Vince
    12 years ago

    I think Sassari was in the Eurocup but got ousted. They are pretty good with the Diener cousins playing but for Siena to lose by THIRTY to them is very worrisome for the future. Especially with their money issues

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  5. FIBA
    12 years ago

    “Gabe is KWSN-Men at interbasket.net “mike” is Arkadios, formerly of interbasket.net, now goes by Black Urum at talkbasket.net

    Gabe also goes by Da Dakota at clutchfans.net and mike goes by Samfisher at clutchfans.net

    Other aliases include Grinder at insidehoops.com and thrylos-fans.net as well as gabepizza at insidehoops.com

    These guys are Albanian-Turkish Americans and both are alcoholic psychopaths.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I am not an alcoholic, I’m a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings.

      The only thing you’re right (about me) is that I am gabepizza at insidehoops.com, the rest are not me.

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  6. Gabe Is a LIAR!
    12 years ago

    He has you pegged dead to the rights. You are without any doubt KSWN-Men, the biggest and most hated troll of all time at interbasket

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  7. mike
    12 years ago

    Pure lies. I have never been to interbasket, and the fact is the only sites I comment on is at Philly.com and at this site. I am not a fan of European basketball, in general. It’s just too boring, but I do like watching Euros in international ball, and watch out for NBA Euro prospects.

    Alcohol? Now, you got me there. It’s hard not take a few drinks in a nice bar on Friday and Saturday nights,especially after a tough week.

    Psychopath? It takes one to know one. Hehe

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  8. Erik
    12 years ago

    Whoever you are, you are a racist and a dickhead.

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  9. Euroleague Rules
    12 years ago

    What’s hilarious about this is that Bobby Brown was considered the 4th best player on Aris when he played for them………………….

    He’s a nice player certainly, but he would be a very stupid signing by an NBA team. He only does very well when an entire team revolves around whatever he wants to do on offense, as in he has the ball the whole game and does whatever he wants, and only if he is never asked to ever play defense during a game.

    If he has a coach that will agree to this, then sure, he’s a good guy to sign. The only teams that ever allowed him to play this way in Europe are Oldenburg and Siena. And that’s just because Oldenburg sucks and Siena is doing it based on their system. They play basically like the Nash led Suns.

    I guess he would fit well with the Lakers then in that style. He would be a bad fit in any half court teams or in any teams that wanted ball movement and defense. really, in all honesty, he’s not even a point guard. He’s a shooting guard 100%.

    Because he does nothing but look to score. Eventually Aris for example had to move him to shooting guard to start winning games. Which is basically the same thing Siena had to do. They had to make him a scorer and let other players like Hackett do the play making. Then they started winning games.

    So really, he should be considered a shooting guard, since he never plays like a point guard. So really, he would be a guy that a team wanting a 6th man huge scoring instant offense combo guard type player should be looking for. He’s not even really a point guard.

    He’s much more in the mold of a Ben Gordon type player, only way better than Gordon.

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  10. Euroleague Rules
    12 years ago

    Gabe says:
    January 14, 2013 at 2.59pm

    Many Euroleague teams are far richer than NBA teams. That is why the richest Euroleague teams budget is only 44 million Euros and after that the next highest is 28 million Euros. While the Lakers budget is 95 million. So maybe the Euroleague teams with the highest budgets would be equal (or in case of CSKA a little more) than the NBA teams with the lowest budgets. But to say many Euroleague teams are far richer than NBA teams is just a boldface lie. Remember Euroleague is where a team supposedly threw a top 16 game because the players were not paid.

    >

    Is this guy retarded or just a troll? Real Madrid, Barca, CSKA, Fenerbahce, Efes, Malaga – teams like that are much richer than the vast majority of NBA teams, maybe even all of them.

    Some of the super rich Euroleague teams that were as rich or richer than any NBA team have lost it financially due to the economic crises, like Siena, and Besiktas. But that does not change that those other teams are still super super super SUPER rich.

    Even teams like Olympiacos and Milano have richer ownership than most NBA teams do.

    The NBA has the Blazers and Nets (owner used to own CSKA) , other than that, no NBA team has as much money behind it as CSKA, Real, Barca, Efes, Fener, etc.

    Hell, to even imply that NBA teams are in that category money wise is an absolute joke. Gabe says he is a Knicks fan, well the Knicks are POOR, very, very POOR compared to the biggest Euroleague clubs.

    It really is amazing at how unbelievably stupid the average American is. That they actually think NBA teams are richer than the BIGGEST AND RICHEST SPORTS CLUB ON THE PLANET.

    Oh yeah sure, NBA teams are richer than Barca and Real Madrid…………..

    I laughed for a good 5 minutes. Oh yeah, NBA teams are richer than CSKA, with an owner that is worth something like 40 billion………………………

    This Gabe is the perfect example of the UGLY AMERICAN IDIOT.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      You are retarded and a troll. You’re saying that the owners of Euroleague teams are richer than NBA owners. That’s not the point. The owners of Barca and Real Madrid also own soccer teams, where they put the majority of the wealth.

      The way you judge a team’s wealth is the teams budgets and NBA teams budgets are many, many times the budgets of Euroleague team. Even some NBA players have higher budgets than Euroleague team. The Euroleague team with the highest budget, CSKA, would be one of the poorest NBA teams and if any other Euroleague team has a comparable budget as an NBA team they would be comparable to maybe the NBA teams with the lowest budgets.

      To compare the budgets of Euroleague teams to NBA teams is like comparing the budgets of Barca and Real Madrid football teams to the budgets of MLS teams.

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  11. Pierre
    12 years ago

    Real Madrid, Barca, and CSKA could bu the Knicks 5 times over, if not more. The Knicks are like homeless people compared to those clubs.

    Go fuck your sister you Jersey shore scum.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Last year the Knicks’ payroll was almost $61 million (that’s just the salaries of the players)

      http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/misc/salaries12.txt

      By your own post in insidehoops the entire budget of CSKA is 33 million Euros, Real Madrid is 28 million Euros and Barca is 27 million Euros.

      http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275905

      So I translated into dollars using a currency converter
      http://coinmill.com/EUR_USD.html#EUR=27

      New York Knicks- $61 million
      CSKA Moscow – $44 million
      Real Madrd – $37 million
      BC Barcelona – $36 million

      So as you can see the New York Knicks have a budget of 17 million more than the richest Euroleague team. And if you look at the link I gave of NBA budgets, the richest Euroleague team CSKA, would place it 30th in the NBA, only the Pacers have a smaller budget and only by a few thousands dollars.

      So there we have it. Using a link that shows NBA budgets, a link that shows Euroleague budgets (this one is unofficial but it’s done by you) and a link for currency converting I have shown that the richest Euroleague team would be the 2nd to last poorest NBA team and just a few thousand away from being the poorest. All other Euroleague teams are poorer than the poorest NBA team by over $5 million

      So nananananana

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      The Knicks are worth $1.1 billion with a profit of $83 million, yet CSKA, Barca and Real Madrid could buy them 5 time over. Yeah only if they have $5.5 billion handy.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2013/01/23/billion-dollar-knicks-and-lakers-top-list-of-nbas-most-valuable-teams/

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      • Panos
        12 years ago

        Real Madrid and Barca are both worth more than $1.1 billion. Easily.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          That is including their football club as well.

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  12. Pierre
    12 years ago

    Gabe is a Jersey shore Guido SCUM.

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  13. Panos
    12 years ago

    More lies by Gabe exposed here. He said about 50 times here that Panathinaikos’ arena OACA only seated about 18,000 people. He was told by several people that was false and it seats 20,000 with the temporary seats, and can hold 23,000 when they put all the seats in.

    He argued and argued and argued and argued and said that was “LIES”.

    This motherfucking piece of shit is proven ONCE AGAIN as a LIAR.

    http://postimage.org/image/wo5kzztor/full/

    20,000 attendance at OAKA

    Once again Gabe and his buddy mike are proven as LIARS.

    Of course there will be no apologies from either of these lying scumbags.

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  14. mike
    12 years ago

    Heee’s back! He just can’t stand it. Probably on medication now.

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