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FIBA World Championship final: What to watch for in USA-Turkey match

September 12, 2010

And now, the conclusion of the 2010 FIBA World Championship. In hindsight, it looks like a meeting made inevitable by destiny: Hosts Turkey riding their home advantage and deploying its strongest roster since 2001 (if not ever) to meet the world’s basketball public enemy no. 1, Team USA.

Since no one needs reasons to watch this game, BallinEurope will simply enumerate a few things BiE’ll be watching for in tonight’s sure-to-be-stirring FIBA championship – and offers a fearless prediction or two, naturally.

• Turkey’s dependence on Hedo Turkoglu. Yes, he’s the undisputed team leader; sure, you can call him The Greatest Turkish Basketball Player of All-Time if you like, but BiE still doesn’t like the way Team Turkey can become the pre-Pau Lakers out there in crunch time, i.e. everyone stands by while Hedo Does Work.

Memo to Turkey: The secret’s out. As the tense Turks looked to their leader again and again in the fourth, Turkoglu was pressed into fighting through tough interior defenses and drawing double-teams habitually on the outside. Hedo saved a little face by snagging two key boards in the quarter, but his shooting line reads 1-for-5 overall in the last stanza plus an ofer on his only trip to the free-throw line.

Check out the fateful inbounds pass here (save a little time and start the clip at about 0:40). With absolutely no mystery as to how this play will unfold, Turkoglu draws the attention of four Team Serbia defenders before dishing it to the still Kerem Tunceri by the sideline.

BiE’s said it before and will say it one more time: Hedo needs to facilitate ball movement more and alpha-dog it less. Going into the knockout stage, Turkoglu was fourth on the team in scoring, shooting at over a 42% clip while adding 4.0 assists per game. After a combined 8-of-19 in the last two games, his shooting percentage for the tourney is down to 38.2% – and he couldn’t manage a single assist last night under the smothering Serbian defense. Surely someone else will need to step up for Turkey, because Team USA fears Turkoglu not.

• Westbrook playing the point. Certain Team USA followers (cough, cough, Bulls fans, hack, cough) were perhaps dismayed by Derrick Rose’s severe lack of playing time in the second half, while others (cough Oklahoma City cough cough *cough* ahem) were digging on Russell Westbrook’s all-around play at the no. 1 spot.

As Chris Sheridan, who’s been doing a bang-up job covering the tournament for ESPN, points out, Rose has become more inconsistent throughout the FIBA Worlds and has a serious Achilles heel in confronting big bodies in the paint. Who’d’ve thought a backcourt combination of Westbrook and Chauncey Billups’d work? And one more time: How scary are the Oklahoma City Thunder looking for, say, 2011-12 and beyond?

• Ilyasova drawing Durant. Poor Ersan Ilyasova; one night after getting shut down and frustrated by Serbia to turn in a line of six points, four rebounds and five personal fouls, he’ll be dealing with a white-hot Kevin Durant in most defensive coverages. The Milwaukee Buck may be in for a preseason of flashback-filled nightmares after this one…

• Lamar Odom dealing with his (literally) biggest challenge yet. Odom may have turned in his best performance in the tournament yet last night, totally establishing dominance underneath the basket early – but that was against the relatively small Lithuania. In the Russia game, Odom put on an … interesting performance while going to war against Andrey Vorontsevich. Awesome on the boards with five offensive and seven defensive boards, Odom on the other hand had difficulty shooting even inside the paint in going 2-for-7.

Odom vs. Asik might be a titanic struggle, but Omer and the boys could yet prove to finally be the team that exploits the well-publicized pre-tournament rhetoric that Team USA is too small.

• The daggers being thrown in ESPN.com’s Daily Dime Live chat. The Turkey-USA match marks the last chance for The Continent to represent in America’s most fun ‘n’ outrageous in-game basketball chatroom … until the NBA regular season. It all starts at 5.30pm CET (11.30am EST). Just don’t forget the bacon.

Official BallinEurope Fearless Prediction™: Trust me, BiE has been trying to find a way to justify picking Turkey in this game since the final buzzer in the Serbia game last night. But, man … Kevin Durant – that’s all that needs to be said, innit? Turkey keeps it close, but the Stars and Stripes pull away in the fourth to win by 10 behind MVP Durant’s 25 points.

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Comments: 22
  1. migala
    14 years ago

    U-S-A, U-S-A!

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  2. fillip
    14 years ago

    USA wins it close.

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  3. Phil
    14 years ago

    Statement made.

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  4. milaz
    14 years ago

    @Phil : what exactly was the statement? Oh wait, you’re right… the USA played Spain, Serbia, Turkey, Lithuania leading up to the final and dominated everyone…. ?! Wait no…. Angola, Russia, Lithuania (after they played Argentina)… what a road to the final … tournaments like these are also luck and the US had it on their side, along with being a very good team of course….

    But I -as a basketball fan- prefer that the field is always open… If we just write USA next to “1.” in every tournament I will stop watching basketball… The US did take care of business – they came to win gold and they did… but I saw no statement: – they looked vulnerable, had weaknesses like every team (look at the Brazil game)… this team, and all other US teams after 1992 are NOT the Dream team – those days are over. Congrats to the US for winning gold and to Turkey for hosting a great tournament.

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    • Jeff
      14 years ago

      Milaz,
      The U.S. has the most dominant basketball players hands down! Look at this team, minus Durant, these players are the second tier players, and they still won every game by double digits except one (some other teams are missing players, but the U.S. is missing all of their best players minus Durant).

      The U.S. is just held to a much higher standard than anyone in the world because of their dominance. Case in point: you point out the Brazil game which has no merit; that’s the only game they didn’t have in hand most of the game. If any other team won only one game by a close margin, and breezed through the rest, you would say that team dominated, but since its the U.S. you say their vulnerable. Thats a huge double standard!
      The U.S. just dominates in basketball if they try, just like some countries dominate in other sports. Its just a fact!

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      • milaz
        14 years ago

        The US has not won the tournament that won last night since 1994. The last time they even made it to the final was 1994. It’s not that I do not accept the superiority of US basketball in terms of individual talent etc… but I do prefer to watch a tournament that is open to competition, where the no.1 spot is fought for. Yes the US style of play requires speed, athleticism and lots of other stuff that has been over-analyzed over the past 10 years. But let’s not over-do it. In order to get back to the top (in this tournament) it took the US 16 years… There are other teams that also won all their games, except for one (Lithuania and Serbia)… this is a 9-game tournament, not really something you want to analyze to bits…. It’s a cool 2-week international tournament – it’s to celebrate the sport – not to assert one or the others dominance… and I might simply be overly romantic, but I do not see it as anything more, as simply as I do not see the US as anything more than any of the other national teams….

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  5. Phil
    14 years ago

    Milaz,

    You are in serious denial. Since Jerry Colangelo took over USA Basketball, the US has lost ONE GAME. ONE. Name another country that has done that … and they’ve done it with 30+ different players in four years …

    USA Basketball from 2002-2006 was a JOKE. Not only did most of our top guys not participate, we slapped teams together at the last second, did no preparation, and put the ball in the hands of guys (Marbury??!!) who are terrible for FIBA play.

    Thanks to the awful 2002 finish dropping off the eight year cycle, the US will again be ranked number one in the world. USA is now the reigning world champion IN EVERY AGE GROUP. How is that anything but dominant. Is USA unbeatable? No. But you don’t have to be unbeatable to be dominant. You just have to be clearly the best and right now, USA is exactly that.

    By the way, the 1998 Worlds team the US sent had no NBA players thanks to the lockout and still won bronze. 2002 was admittedly an embarrassment and 2006 team (the last team to lose a game for USA) was not quite “there yet” in terms of taking this seriously and even then it took a red-hot shooting performance by the Greeks to win. (Yes, we were awful defending the pick and roll in that game, but still scored 95 points so anything less than the great shooting Greece got still would have resulted in a US win).

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  6. Jeff
    14 years ago

    Milaz,
    Phil stated the facts as well, supporting the US dominance! You are looking at this through your filter, and not objectively. Bottom line, when the US puts in the effort (not even having their top players, like this time, which says A LOT), they do not lose.

    And again, your comparisons of the other teams that only lost one game has no relevance; the US won ALL of their games, and beat everyone by double digits except one team (the other teams barely won on more than one occasion). Be realistic, whether its an anti-US sentiment or just tired of the US consistently winning when they actually put forth the effort, they are superior!

    Again, if any other team was as dominant, no one would have a problem stating this. Prime example, on this same page the author refers to the US as the ” world’s basketball public enemy number 1″, and that says it all! The author also states “Trust me, BiE has been trying to find a way to justify picking Turkey in this game”, but logically could not. The bias is very transparent. But, this comes with being the best!

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  7. Phileus
    14 years ago

    If the tournament was NBA playoffs style (best-of-5, best-of-7), then I do think that the US would be “dominant,” but the fact is that it’s not and so anything can happen. The margin of talent between the US and the elite international teams is no longer so great that the USA can easily survive off-nights, because in FIBA, one off-night means the end of the tournament.

    US is the best now, but saying that it’s dominant because of this tournament is misleading. I think it’s just affirmed that the US has by far the deepest talent pool in the world. Pau Gasol is more valuable to the Spanish team than Kobe, LeBron, and Wade are to the American team – combined. This is the advantage the US still has, and will still have for a long, long time. But saying “America has most of the best basketball players in the world” is much different than saying that “Team USA is the best team in the world.” Those days are over, and international tournaments are a lot more fun because of it!

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    • pipo
      14 years ago

      Correct. And the operative words is MOST of the best, not just the best. That is mostly true for the point guard and, especially, the front line positions. Gasol is, I think, unanimously, the best center in the world right now and Nowitzki used to be, until recently, the best power forward. Not to imply that the are not very good centers and PGs in the US. Rose will probably become the PG of the decade), but before Rose and after Kidd there was a good 10 year period of less than perfect PG crop (Deron Williams being a possible exception). Meanwhile, in Europe you had Diamantidis, Papaloukas, Parker, Calderon, Jasikevicius, and now with Teodosic and Rubio, there is a constant output of world class playmakers. That is probably because of the transformation of the NBA into a much more physical and less technical league. Teodosic for example will probably never been able to play in the NBA, even though he was far and away the best PG of the tournament.

      PS: Even though Nash is a product of the NBA, he is Canadian!

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  8. milaz
    14 years ago

    When Lithuania, a country of 3.3 million gets a bronze and Greece a country of 9 million defeats the US in 2006 (a team including Melo, LeBron, Wade, Bosh etc) I am more happy than watching the ugly game we watched last night. The point is not that I disagree the US is the best – as a kid I used to wake up at 3am to catch Jordan in the NBA finals, but also remember many Euroleague final fours. Yes, obviously I’m looking at things through my own filter…. When I see Spain winning the tournament, they celebrate and that’s it. When the US wins, its to prove they are the best in the world. Why the complex and the chip on the shoulder…? OK, great you won, why do you need to tell the world “we told you so”? The generation of national teams that included Ginobli’s Argentina and Gasol’s Spain was beautiful to watch; they played amazing team basketball and won gold medals they deserved. If that was simply because USA basketball was not on top of their game, that’s their problem. Like Phileus said – since this is not a playoff type tournament and there are 9 games, 4 of which are knockout games and one bad moment can send you home, we will see many more interesting tournaments and games.

    The best games in this tournament were Argentina-Brazil and Turkey-Serbia by far…. I enjoyed some good basketball… for me the fact that the US won is just because a team has to get a trophy at the end … its a basketball festival, until the next one… where hopefully there will be another champion… it’s better for the game of basketball and better for the fans…. I support Greece and as good as they were in 2006, they were horrible in 2010. A new generation of players will come and they will rebound and they will do well again… Just like this iteration of team USA leaned on the NBA scoring champ and left many players on the bench…. pressured opponents on D …. they had their own style… In any case, what I am trying to say is you do not need to make any statements, you do not need to tell us you are the best….just do it… These are tournaments that are like the NCAA in organizational style and many “surprises” can occur… we will see “surprises” again – thankfully! Congrats on winning this tournament, but I fail to see any statements.

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  9. Phil
    14 years ago

    The statements are exactly what you said: deepest talent pool, etc. Not that Team USA is unbeatable. Again, you don’t have to be unbeatable to be dominant. Jordan’s Bulls that won 72 regular season games, lost 10 regular season games and a few more in the playoffs. Certainly, they were not unbeatable, but they were dominant. I am still waiting for an explanation as to how ONE LOSS since Colangelo took over the program using 30+ different players is anything BUT dominant.

    I don’t think another team has to win to make it “good for basketball.” The fact that Team USA has only been dominant since the program has had more structure and the players have bought in and even then they aren’t winning every single game by 50 points (remember – dominant, not unbeatable) is what is good for basketball. On top of that, Team USA taking these tournaments seriously is ABSOLUTELY the best thing for basketball worldwide – motivation for all other countries to work harder.

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  10. Phil
    14 years ago

    By the way, if you think if another team won that they would “celebrate” and that would be that, you are kidding yourselves. The big story would be about whatever team(s) beat the US in that tournament and that the US still hadn’t won since 1994, etc. And we’d be hearing it from both non-US and US fans (sadly) alike that the guys didn’t play team ball or are just street-ballers or whatever other insult people would throw their way.

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  11. milaz
    14 years ago

    There is no denying that the US is dominant in international basketball and that since Colangelo took over they have taken things more seriously. They even have more than a month of preparation and exhibition games. Apart from the whole “it’s better to have more competition” argument, I also do not like watching games where the US simply out-runs and out-powers the opposition. Its just ugly basketball… however, that is something that is part of the difference in style as well. In any case…. The past 10 years have not been dominated by the US, even if the last 2 have and that is good for me as a basketball purist… that’s what I like to see and it’s been fun watching the ups and downs of teams and some excellent teams that have come to play…. This tournament was great not because of Durant *only*, but also because of Scola and Kleiza and games like Turkey-Serbia and Argentina-Brazil

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  12. Jeff
    14 years ago

    Thank you Phil!
    Well, lets look at that inconvenient little thing called a fact.
    The US win was INITIALLY minimized in these postings based on a simple comment such as “statement made”. Theres no refuting that, just scroll up. When an inaccuracy exists, it needs to be pointed out. Theres nothing more to be said.
    Like you said, it’s your filter. Facts are facts, bottom line!

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  13. Jeff
    14 years ago

    Don’t hate, congratulate!

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  14. Ted
    14 years ago

    I really enjoyed reading the European perspectives, expressed by milaz, pipo and others on BIE during the tournament. It was nice for this American to hear the non-US point of view.

    Can you guys educate me a little on the best European leagues? When does the season run (it starts soon, yes?), how many games are played, is BIE the best web site to follow the season, etc.?

    I really enjoyed watching the non-US players that I wasn’t as familiar with. Diamantidis, in particular, was a revelation. It is sad that he is retiring as it looked, to me, that he had a lot of good years left. The Brazilian point guard, Huertas, was also amazing, as was Teodosic. I look forward to watching Tiago Splitter’s development in the NBA, and I wish I could watch Navarro play every day. I LOVE that guy’s game.

    To this day, I think defense is what really is the primary difference between the NBA and FIBA ball. Because of the NBA’s rules against zone defense, the NBA game relies on isolation and many great FIBA players had limited NBA careers because opposing coaches would isolate them and exploit their quickness disadvantage, which is compounded by the “no hand checking” rules. A prime example is Lithuania’s Pocius. I am a Duke University alumni and huge fan of the team. Pocious, although he had a few injuries that set him back, rode the Duke bench for 3 years because his defense was not where it needed to be. It was a huge source of frustration for Duke fans because we all thought Marty could be the kind of player he showed he is during this tournament – a star! I think this difference will continue as long as the FIBA and NBA defense rules are so different. Personally, I prefer the FIBA rules as the team-oriented offensive play was so beautiful to watch – and I think the FIBA defensive rules encourage team offense.

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    • zwerko
      14 years ago

      Spanish and Greek league are the best leagues. But I recommend you should watch Euroleague, it is a collection of Europe’s best teams. Intensity wise and dramatically every game is like a nba playoff game. End of September qualifications start. Not to go into to much details check the http://www.euroleague.net/ website. You can watch there live games online.

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    • Scott
      14 years ago

      If you like FIBA basketball over the NBA you should just watch Rugby instead….

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  15. Phil
    14 years ago

    If you have the right internet provider (or are on a college campus), you can also watch Euroleague game online on ESPN3.com in the states.

    Also, if you have NBATV, they air a Euroleague Game of the Week (taped) on Saturday afternoons.

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  16. Phil
    14 years ago

    Also, I would like to continue to see the FIBA and NBA games become more similar (FIBA doing their part by moving the line back and ditching the trapezoid) as I think it will lead to

    a) more international players starring in the NBA
    and
    b) better preparation for Team USA for the Olympics and World Championships

    both of which I am in favor of.

    There has to be a happy medium. I do think that the new FIBA rules will make it harder to hide ineffective defenders and give more athletic players a greater advantage. What people don’t get is that moving a three-point line has much less effect on three-point shooting than it does on spacing. Most teams – offensively and defensively – set up based on the three-point line. When you move it back, you create more space for defenders to cover, giving faster players a greater advantage and making a zone more challenging to pull off (still do-able, but a higher degree of difficulty). The good shooters will not be negatively effected by the line going back – at least not against the zone – as the extra spacing will get them more open on kick-outs.

    Even though zones are allowed in the NBA now (sort of … thanks to the defensive three-second rule) it is hard to do, because of the athleticism of the players and all that extra space inside the three-point line.

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  17. ersan ilyasova
    14 years ago

    wow memories came to my mind,that was Turkey’s best tournament ever.I wish Ersan played better

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