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London: a future NBA city?

March 5, 2008

(Live from London) Due to a Business trip, I have landed in London for three days. And as the Euroleague was playing this week, it was kind of hard to me as I thought I could not follow any games. What happened?

What you will read here, will be a very subjective and not objective at all report about a night in London in the desperate hope to see some hoops. At least, I was in one of the cities the NBA selected to be part of their future plans to become a member of the already famous NBA Europe division. Thanks to Euroleague TV, I was hoping to get some top level European basketball action in a city that is not known for having a better basketball tradition than Lithuania has a cricket dynasty.

But my hotel room, that offered (it is probably not the right word at 18GBP per day) Wireless “Highspeed” connection, was going to be my Pionir Arena for the night as I wanted to follow the game between Partizan and Montepaschi. However, the high speed access was far away from being faster than a local taxi in the rush hour, I had the possibility to follow hacked Euroleague TV commentators without an fluid image; in a nutshell something as attractive for a basketball addict as a Dart Live broadcast from Northern Ireland.

So I decided to go out and check if I can find some kind of Sports Bar having Basketball on the big screen. I had no high hopes as it was also a Champions League night and there would probably more broadcasts of Football games than having the possibility to get even a result of a Euroleague game. Coming to the first pub around the corner, they preferred to show a guy sitting somewhere in the stadium of a Premier League club and commenting a Football game without showing actually the live action. I emptied my pint faster than a Drew Nicholas shot release and left the building. I went for some food and asked the waiter if there is any decent sports bar around the corner. He gave me directions for a place “where a lot of Frenchmen are”. After kicking his but and insulting him that “I don’t care about the French”, I left and found the so-called Sports Bar.

I was a huge place with a least 50 TV screens, all showing Champions League Football. I ordered a San Miguel beer (at least some kind of ACB feeling) and walked around a bit and I found a Video Wall with multiple screens. And some of the screens showed some hardwood action. NCAA Basketball in London City. I was happy. I could follow an OT game between Purdue and Ohio State on some kind of Arabic version of ESPN. But still no Euroleague anywhere. After the game, I walked back home and already thinking about what I am just writing.

Dear David Stern, bringing the NBA to London might be a good idea after all the Market Research you have done. But I don’t think that this city is some kind of NBA ready. I did not see any NBA shirts walking around the City. I got asked by the (black or to be politically correct young urban males with a migration background) bouncers of a Sports Bar what I am doing and to move away while watching the NCAA March Madness (twice). So is there really a market here in a city where a cab drive from the Airport (close to the O2 arena of the future London NBA team) to the City center costs about 50£ (that’s nearly 100US$)? We will see. I will be happy when I have continental ground back under my feet.

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Comments: 14
  1. Mattu
    17 years ago

    Hey, Christophe, maybe you want to read this…
    http://www.solobasket.com/contenidos/nba/europa/sin/euroliga/c-17432.html

    And just do yourself a favour: drink Mahou!! 😉

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  2. Andre
    17 years ago

    You’re kind of missing who will be the target audience in London. The NBA won’t market to the typical hardcore basketball fan who watch the Euroleague. Sure, those people will be useful to fill the upper-level seats but the audience who will bring money to the franchises are the same people who attend games in the USA. Those are people with money who attend games to see a good show. I’m guessing NBA games will draw the same crowds who go to those hip discos and bars where famous people usually hang or usually go to.

    I believe NBA’s business model depends more on rich people looking for entertainment than on harcore fans wanting to see world class hoops.

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  3. Calvin
    17 years ago

    I thought the euroleague made more money than the nba so how will the nba afford to get better players in London

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  4. holymoly
    17 years ago

    Interesting Christophe. I am British myself (yes, fish and chips, the queen, david beckham) and 100% agree with you…There is zero interest in the euroleague over here. Why…a couple of reasons…firstly we have the worst league in europe without a doubt. The level of play is horrible and our most iconic team the London Towers went bankrupt last year. Attendances are extrememly low averaging at 1000, Division 5 football (soccer) teams (Blue sq league) get an average of 2000! Our first ULEB Cup representative in years couldnt get close to winning a game and had some horrible losses (although the loss of Brain Dux was a big blow). There is very little media coverage of basketball, on the sky sports news channel (most popular in UK) you will get NBA and BBL updates but NEVER any euroleague coverage. Eurosport is the only channel that is obtainable in the UK to watch it and that is a luxury channel (so additional payment is needed on TV packages). Packing out exhibition games is one thing, but the foundations arent in place, the awareness of world class basketball has never been so low. What we do have though, is great stadia, this must be what the ‘market research’ is based upon. Basketball fans here are still in Jordan/Pippen mode…i guarentee you wont find anyone who has heard of Rudy, Tiago, Theo, Vassilis…which is a big part of the problem. and dont even get me started on the internet access in hotels…

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  5. MB
    17 years ago

    I agree with holymoly. I live in London, although am from New Zealand, and there is precious little bball in this town, or country for that matter. I spent months on the web just trying to find other ballers in this city to play pick up games with.

    Now that I’m finally in with a crew that plays twice weekly, I get my bball fix, but there’s no coverage of NBA save for channel five playing a live game once a week at 1am on Tuesday mornings.

    It’s also interesting to note that out of around 30 or so guys playing in the social teams I’m in, I woulod say less than 5 are English. Basketball is just not big in these isles.

    You’ll find NCAA on NASN (North American Sports Network), but that’s about £11 (22US dollars) a month.

    London’s a great ‘market’ for the NBA, but it does not have the die hard fans. Man I love this game, but the UK loves football with a fervour ney fanaticism that has to be seen to be believed. Everything plays second fiddle to football.

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  6. Srivaths
    17 years ago

    I’ve been in London only for a short while and my opinions have to be taken with big pinch of salt. In a bid to see some games locally, I took to watching some premier division games from the London Metropolitan Basketball League (lmbl.net). I’ve seen only a handful and the quality is very patchy. Few teams possess players with athleticism and the rare team that does usually wins sorely on the basis of being faster and stronger. They don’t seem to run too many set plays or screens to create spacing. They usually dump the ball to the player who seems like scoring and hope for the best. I have watched only one Euroleague game (Fener-Barca) live and I have not seen anyone here who would belong at that level of competition. Again I must stress that I don’t know enough about the finer aspects of the game but it just seems like an NBA city ought to have better local talent.

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  7. Hirona Okura
    17 years ago

    You are absolutely right. London ( or England as a country) is not ready for the game of basketball. The biggest cable tv provider is actually showing less nba coverage than it used to a couple years ago. There is only ONE live game a week as far as i am concern.

    I was there in the O2 Arena to see my man KG. I bet I was the only passionate fan out there. All other spectators seemed to be more amazed by the half time dunking show than the actual game. MAN! They only care about football (soccer if you americans wanna cal it) rugby and cricket… thats about it…

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  8. Slobodan Chutzpah
    17 years ago

    I’m Finnish and used to live in London. Now, Finland is probably one of the poorest markets for basketball in Europe, with ice hockey, football, Formula One, and winter sports reigning supreme as far as sports coverage goes.

    Still, I’d say the situation in London is probably even worse. There is absolutely no fanbase for basketball at all. Even the black urban kids mostly gravitate towards football.

    Therefore, it would be madness to base a Euro NBA team in London: unlike many European countries with great basketball traditions, there is no culture of basketball on the Isles. It would be far more savvy to base the teams in cities with a built-in audience — which all the other proposed cities do have.

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  9. JayOne
    17 years ago

    Got to agree with the views already stated – I’m back in London after going to college in the States and am surprised at the lack of NBA coverage back here. There’s so much coverage of the NFL now, but for some reason the NBA is lagging far behind still; we didn’t even get to see the All Star game!! :^o
    I’m even more shocked that we get to see coverage of the NCAA and FIBA tournaqments (on Setanta) but the coverage of NBA is still limited to headline scores on Sky Sports News.

    Thank God for the internet!!

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  10. Michael
    17 years ago

    I am London born and bred and a hoops addict as well. I’ve been playing pickup games for the past 10 years and this is what I can tell you…
    *Some guys in this thread have made very valid points about the coverage of Euroleague, NBA, and NCAA on TV. It is EXTREMELY poor. Euroleague is not shown on mainstream TV, but is available on some obscure cable channel. NCAA is not shown on mainstream TV, but is shown on NASN, another channel most people have not heard of. NBA is shown on Channel 5 and the 2008 Allstar game was on, but weekly coverage is once a week.
    *I was at the O2 for the Celtics-Timberwolves game and most people I spoke to were there for the curiosity. Aside from the big name NBA players, no one really knows who’s who and I like to follow all the news from the NBA.
    *If you want a decent pickup game, check out these places. Hendon park (NW London), Harlesden (NW London), Ravencourt Park, Hammersmith (West London), Brixton Recreation Centre (South London), Turpike Lane Park (North London) Westway Centre (Latimer Road, West London)
    *A lot of guys (16-27) play pickup games and it can be very competitive, but a lot of players try to be flashy.
    *I grew up in West London and I know of quite a few guys who went to the NCAA to play, so grassroots basketball is active, just the professional league is not really happening.
    *Checkout this site for more info. http://www.streetball.co.uk. There are summer competitions at Brighton Beach. (the UK’s equivalent of Venice Beach). As I said earlier, these players are quite flashy. Play Ball!

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  11. Martin
    17 years ago

    Alright, just a couple of things Christophe. Firstly, you need to drink less before you start writing! 50£ is actually £50! I’m just playing…

    Ok, so yes, Euroleague ball is really not shown or loved over here (here i mean London – from NW London). When i played at school i was one of a handful of guys who wanted to play and only when our coach from Boston came along did we actually create a team!

    The point is, is that basketball has always been supersceded by bigger sports here, football (soccer), cricket and rugby. I love basketball and for me, it’s always been about the NBA and NCAA (more so after attending UCLA for a year – winners of NCAA Tourny 2008? YES PLEASE!).

    Anyway, the NBA is trying to find a central location for investors to build up the image and propel the love for the game by using an extremely well-known city. I don’t think there is anything wrong with choosing a city that speaks the same language and is one of the world’s major capitals. There is DEFINITELY love for ball around the UK and, i believe, some very adequate players who, as Michael said, do go on to play for NCAA Division III, II and I teams. Money is obviously involved, but how can it not be, revenue HAS to be created somehow and i am all for an annual (possibly moving on to bi-annual?) NBA game at the O2 arena.

    Keep your hands under your asses for a while though, things like this take time: money, promotion and a willingness to accept something new, which as we can all appreciate here, is sometimes a tough task in a country that bases its pride on traditionalism (is that a word?).

    Personally, i think it’s about improving business relations between Euroleague members, the NBA and BBL – creating big events, getting the buzz going…..i think the NBA is taking a step in the right direction……….at long last.

    ps. if anyone knows of some teams, i’ve just got back and am desperate to play at a local level (nothing major) but really want to be part of a team again – prefferably near NW london. Holla! MD33

    swish6@hotmail.com

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  12. Davy
    17 years ago

    First of all, i am offended by your “I don’t care about the french” comments, lol, well i am Afro-French, and I stand for my country. But to comment what you wrote, you absolutely riht, the Nba in london will be the most horrible investment, England isn’t ready for Basketball, matter of fact, before luol, they didn’t have a national team, I mean, if they were thinking of Lithuania, where basketball is BIG, HUGE, it would be different, even in france,Italy, Spain, maybe Germany, cuz dirk is pretty big there it won’t work. I’ve been living in England since 2005, and I only get 1 game a week on TV, and a couple of euroleague games, but you got to have a cable. David Stern must have done a terrible job gathering informations, because, he should have started by getting people used to watch a basketball game, I mean i have friends who have never seen 1 min of a game, not a minute.
    NBA in Europe anyway is a bad idea, unless they are thinking about sponsoring, but still the FIBA will not probably allow it , I mean they don’t need the NBA.

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  13. B-BALL Guy
    17 years ago

    I think London has very strong economical situation , but they are not interested in Basketball at all. Chordi Bertomeu wishes to have London Towers in euroleague in nearly future. I think it would be a big step to wake up british basketball. Offcourse there have to be commercials and else stuff to make a interest to the people. British people likes good stuff , so i think they would love basketball definitely . Talking about team. Offcourse it is not going to be a strong team , but Towers has young players who wants to improve they’re self in higher level . Offcourse the only way to create real team is to buy ~3 very good players which can play with young players which are in the team now …

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  14. zlatan milutinovic-petrucelli
    16 years ago

    england will never ever be a basket ball country like european greats: italia, serbia, slovenia, lithuania, greece, spain, croatia, russia..and also france, turkey and even germany…never ever…the one reason they will not be so badly thrashed is that they naturalized some nba players who will only play till olympiad of 2012,,,apart from them british basketball is at an awful level and always will be..there is just no tradition of the sport here and never will be. I lived there for some time i know!! so while people are saying they may surprise people in eurobasket, trust me, in a group of death they will finish 0-3 and that will be the first and last time uk is in eurobasket…let the nba take over england…england is not part of european basketball..

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