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Poll: Which player in Europe should be in the BallinEurope logo?

November 27, 2012

Congratulations, thanks and an apology all go out from BallinEurope this morning.

In order, that’s a congrat to Arvydas Sabonis, who will receive the honor of immortalization (sorta) as one half of the to-be-redesigned BallinEurope logo. Sabas was mighty impressive in amassing more votes from readers in the public opinion poll here than Dirk Nowitzki, Ricky Rubio and poor Tony Parker combined;

a shout out to all those who voted in the BiE poll; you’re gonna love part two for sure; and

apologies for the relative lack of contributions last and, foreseeably, this week. To put it in brief, BiE headquarters is relocating (read: “Os is moving”), but in December things will be again running smoothly here.

Right, then. Let’s get down to business. Based on suggestions from BiE readers, contributing writers and such, the field for Sabonis’ cartoon opponent in the BallinEurope logo will be the following.

Erazem Lorbek got some support from commenters and BiE admits that once again the Barcelona big went underrated on these pages. So BiE didn’t have Lorbek in his top five for Euroleague MVP balloting last season; this nomination should make up for that. While Lorbek’s numbers are generally down in 2012-13, he looks to be rearing back with three consecutive double-digit EL games and could be wearing the Blaugrana colors for some time yet.

The BallinEurope endorsement, however, goes to Sofoklis Schortsanitis. Not only is Big Sofo a fan favorite, not only would Sofoklis be done well in caricature, but can’t you just imagine him squaring off against Sabonis? Vote Sofo.

Despite the possibility of imminent retirement, Juan Carlos Navarro stays on the list. And Bo McCalebb’s there because he’s Bo. And because BiE wants that FYR Macedonia jersey in the logo.

Finally, there’s Vassilis Spanoulis. Damn straight BiE went there; after all, the guy did orchestrate Olympiacos’ magic run to cap 2011-12 with a couple of titles and he’s been an anchor on Greek national teams since 2000.

You may now blow up the comments section – but vote first!

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Comments: 135
  1. Russ
    12 years ago

    One player in this pool is just way above the rest in all the aspects, so one has to be clueless to vote for someone else. And I’m talking about Navarro (even though he’s not my favorite one, he is a great basketball player and the rest are just no more than decent players)

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  2. Sando
    12 years ago

    The players, in order by how god they are:

    1. Vassilis Spanoulis

    2. Juan Carlos Navarro

    3. Bo McCalebb

    4. Sofoklis Schortsanitis

    5. Erazem Lorbek

    They are all really damn good players though.

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  3. Sando
    12 years ago

    edit: by how “good” they are.

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  4. Gabe
    12 years ago

    If Spanoulis is chosen we should have Dagunduro blocking his shot instead of Sabonis because when I think of Spanoulis I think of his epic choke against Nigeria which ended with him being blocked by Dagunduro.

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  5. Niko
    12 years ago

    If you mean a characterization of Ade Dagunduro *FOULING* Vassilis Spanoulis…..then sure. Because Dagunduro didn’t “block” Spanoulis. He FOULED him.

    So a characterization of him FOULING Spanoulis, NOT “blocking” him.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Did they call a foul? If they didn’t call a foul than it’s a block.

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  6. Gabe
    12 years ago

    Right now I see Spanoulis as the lead. I plead to fans of European and Greek basketball to stop this travesty. I remember the heyday of Greek basketball when with Papaloukas and Diamantidis leading us we showed the world how great we were in eliminating Team USA and getting a silver medal in the World Championship, not to mention 5th place in two straight Olympics. Oh on the world stage we showed how great Greek basketball could be!

    But then Papaloukas and Diamantidis retired, leaving Greek pride in the hands of the capable (or so we thought) Spanoulis. *sigh* The embarrassment of an 11th place finish and not being able to advance out of the round of 16 in the 2010 WC. Having an 0-4 record against quality teams!! Oh to be a joke on the world stage!!!

    I thought after the embarrassment of 2010 Spanoulis would retire and let more athletic Greeks take the helm of the national team…But no!!! He suited up again for the Hellas last summer, only to “lead” them to them to the biggest upset in European basketball history. Eliminated in the Olympic qualifying tournament by Nigeria!! Could it be so?!! The first time any team has ever been eliminated from a playoff game by an African team in FIBA history. The same Nigerian team that lost to the US by 83 points! While the scrub Dagunduro was hitting clutch shots and hitting clutch free throws, Spanoulis was missing 6 of his 12 free throws and getting his shot blocked! Greece was awarded 8 more foul shots than Nigeria and Spanoulis could still not lead Greek to a victory!! In a few years Spanoulis turned Greece from a basketball power to a punchline on the world stage!!!

    Please. Anyone who has any pride in Greek or European basketball. Please do not select Spanoulis! If we all have look at his face all we will remember is the lowest point of not only Greek basketball but all of European basketball. Let’s erase the stain of Spanoulis from the great history of Greek and European basketball and look to the future. We can do this by not having to look at the face of the scrub that not only embarrassed himself and his team but a whole nation and really a whole continent.

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    • Erik
      12 years ago

      Right now I see Spanoulis as the lead. I plead to fans of European and Greek basketball to stop this travesty. I remember the heyday of Greek basketball when with Papaloukas and Diamantidis leading us we showed the world how great we were in eliminating Team USA and getting a silver medal in the World Championship, not to mention 5th place in two straight Olympics. Oh on the world stage we showed how great Greek basketball could be!

      But then Papaloukas and Diamantidis retired, leaving Greek pride in the hands of the capable (or so we thought) Spanoulis. *sigh* The embarrassment of an 11th place finish and not being able to advance out of the round of 16 in the 2010 WC. Having an 0-4 record against quality teams!! Oh to be a joke on the world stage!!!

      ——————————————————————————————-

      Wow, first you spend years here claiming to be American, and now you claim to be Greek. You are a scary individual.

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    • Jack
      12 years ago

      Gabe:

      “But then Papaloukas and Diamantidis retired, leaving Greek pride in the hands of the capable (or so we thought) Spanoulis. *sigh* The embarrassment of an 11th place finish and not being able to advance out of the round of 16 in the 2010 WC. Having an 0-4 record against quality teams!! Oh to be a joke on the world stage!!!”

      >

      Dimitris Diamantidis didn’t retire in 2008 you moron. In fact, he was ON THE 2010 GREEK NATIONAL TEAM —>

      http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/team/p/eid/4728/rid//sid/4728/tid/291/profile.html

      Your trolling skills are incredibly weak.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Yeah sorry. I meant Papaloukas retired after 2008, that’s why Greece went from 5th, 2nd and 5th to 11th and then when Diamantidis retired Greece dropped all the way to DNQ.

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  7. Derrick
    12 years ago

    Haha, why so much hate Gabe?
    Did he sleep with your girlfriend or something?
    Or are you just jealous of a man
    making more money than you,
    being more famous than you and
    having a family with a ‘Star Hellas’ chick?

    I believe it’s the last one…

    As far as the voting is concerned,
    I would go for either Spanoulis or Navaro.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      No no. It’s not hate. In fact it’s love. For the love of Greek and European basketball I want to erase all memory of the &$%# stain of Spanoulis!

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      • Diamanidis
        12 years ago

        Gabe, is your screen name KWSN-Men on Interbasket by any chance? You sound just exactly like him.

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  8. vinzzz
    12 years ago

    Wow Gabe did not understand nothing what basketball and even sport is all about. 1.ONE man (unless it is Dirk) cant win alone in Basketball . 2. You do argument since two month with ONE game. Come on, stop your show a bit, creat your own blog and stop talking all the time * i want attention* . 3. The fact that Greece is lacking a bit of succes and quality players in recent years isnt the fault of Spanoulis. Its funny to read your posts were Spanoulis is even guilty for the greek financial crisis. 4. Spanoulis is in fact one of the best players in Europe the last years. It is a fact, or EL lies.

    Come on look on the poll for the player you like the most, the one with most sympathy and fun. We’re not electing All star team or MVP guys. Its a pitty that Rubio didnt made it, and PEK. Our home team just lost to Lithuania.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I understand where’re you’re coming from and I know that one man (unless of coarse he is a Dirk, Lebron or CP3) cannot win a game on his own. It’s just personally every time I hear Spanoulis’s name or see his face I am reminded of that horrible game. As a fan of Greek and European basketball it pains me to be hear the name Spanoulis. Oh no! I just wrote it myself! Will this memory ever end?! Please, I beg of you. Don’t let his face represent BiE! I can just see him bricking those free throws now. Every night I have nighmares of him walking off the court with his hand up, expecting the refs to bail him out. Nooooooooo!! Make it stop!!!

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      • Diamanidis
        12 years ago

        I read on this site just a week or two ago where you said that the loss of Greece to Nigeria was the favorite moment for you in basketball and that you were so happy when Greece lost. That you watch the game once a week on YouTube just to feel good and laugh at Greece’s national team.

        That it gives you great joy that Greece lost, and that they are all slow white guys that cannot run or jump and that the Nigerian team is all super athletic black guys that are genetically superior to a bunch of slow hairy Greeks.

        Now you are here claiming you are a supporter of Greek national team, saying “we” as you are Greek and saying that the loss to Nigeria gives you nightmares and is the low point for you in basketball.

        I think you suffer from schizophrenia.

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  9. Derrick
    12 years ago

    Gabe which European basketball team you are rooting for?

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      In Euroleague I like Siena and Efes and for national teams I root for Italy.

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  10. Chris24
    12 years ago

    I am Greek but voted for Navarro. He’s a player who needs the respect he deserves. He’s been the most important player of the decade in Europe. I agree that in two years time we will have to look for another logo but we have to be respectful and make him a logo.

    Bo McCalebb or Spanoulis will have time to compete in the near future for the next one.

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  11. Vincent
    12 years ago

    i voted Spanoulis. He won the Euroleague last year, but more importantly, he has a great face for a cartoon. Beard and receding hairline in an Olympiacos or Greek jersey.

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  12. Gabe
    12 years ago

    I really think we should take into account play for national team as well as Euroleague. Navarro has done better than Spanoulis in Euroleague (Final Four MVP AND Euroleague MVP) but with national teams it is not even close. Not only does Navarro have two Eurobasket golds and a FIBA World Championship gold he was also the MVP of a Eurobasket. Combine that with his success his one year in the NBA (voted all rookie-second team) compared to Spanoulis horrible performance and this should not even be close.

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  13. mike
    12 years ago

    More importantly, it’s embarassing for European basketball to have a guy like Spanoulis who failed miserably in the NBA to be the guy in the logo representing Europe. Think about it, what does that say about Euro ball if an NBA failure like Span is the guy for Europe.

    No, it has to be someone like Navarro who can proudly say he did well in the NBA, and can argue that if he had gotten more playing time he could have done even better. JCN, if he chose to stay with Memphis, could have teamed up with Marc to make Memphis even more potent today.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yeah V-Span failed miserably in the NBA and in FIBA tournaments while JCN has succeeded in both and in Europe too.

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      • kostas
        12 years ago

        spanoulis is the best player in europe now.he takes the euroleague with a team with low buget and he can do it again this year.scariolo and many others trainers said that spanoulis is the best and the tell the truth

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Well the proof is not in the pudding. He was a miserable failure in the NBA. A miserable failure for his national team and even in Europe has never been the best player since he has never been selected for a Euroleague MVP. But if you guys want to have a loser representing BiE it’s your choice. On one hand it’s fitting that he’s getting his shot blocked because that’s what he’ll be most remembered for.

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          • American Euroleague Fan
            12 years ago

            This site said that Spanoulis should have been Euroleague MVP last year and that they made a mistake in voting for Kirilenko in retrospect. Also, one of the bloggers for Euroleague said that they talked to the voters after the fact a few months later and a lot of them admitted they did make a mistake and would have voted for Spanoulis if they could vote again.

            Besides that, Spanoulis apparently only lost to Kirilenko by one vote. Never mind that I think you can pretty much guarantee that Spanoulis will win the MVP this season if Olympiakos returns to the final four.

            His team has a good chance, and if they do so with a new young coach, he will get MVP. There will be no excuse to claim ti was due to the coach and they won’t rob him twice in a row. Even some might feel they owe him the vote after he got robbed of the ward last year.

            One thing is for sure, there won’t be some European NBA player with a really big name and reputation to take votes away from him like last year. Kirilenko basically got the MVP award by default because most media people just voted for him by his name and who he was.

            Simply, that is not going to happen with any player that is currently in Euroleague. Maybe the only players in Euroleague now with as big or bigger names in the world of basketball than Spanoulis are guys like Navarro, Jasikevicius, and Diamantidis.

            Jasikevicius has been a limited player for a long time due to age, Navarro isn’t as good as he once was, due to injuries, and honestly, Diamantidis isn’t necessarily on a final four team anymore. Also, voters already gave this award to Navarro and Diamantidis before, and it was very controversial when Navarro won it. I think by far the most controversial Euroleague MVP and most people were really mad and did not think he deserved it.

            Of course you are an idiot and don’t even mention that. So certainly the voters are going to be inclined to finally reward Spanoulis. He just has to make final four, which his current team is capable of doing.

            Then again, you have said here numerous times that either Bobby Brown or Jordan Farmar will win Euroleague MVP. That is obviously why you claim you support the teams of Efes and Siena. Because you talked so much trash here about those two winning MVP. You even guaranteed Farmar would win it at one point.

            Well, if you think Bobby Brown will even sniff that award, you are cuckoo for coco puffs. Efes maybe could make the final four, putting Farmar in the running. But really, Efes as a team does not look like any final four material, precisely because they try to base the team on Farmar and he’s just no that good. He can’t lead a team. He is just a pure 100% fast break open court street baller. He reminds me of Carlos Arroyo when he was in Euroleague and we already saw how that ends up.

            Anyway, even if Efes did make final four which I doubt, even if Farmar had good stats, which he might because he takes so many shots, I seriously doubt he would get MVP over Spanoulis if he made final four. Simply because I am not just NBA fan like you.

            I actually understand Euroleague. You just only understand NBA and it is obvious. Voters will not simply vote for Farmar because he was a rotation player on 2 NBA title teams. Maybe you think they will, because they just voted for Kirilenko last year by default.

            But this will not happen with Farmar. He is not a big name in basketball like Kirilenko, and honestly he is almost nothing in European basketball. While Kirilenko is one of the most famous European players ever. So that big name default vote that AK-47 got is not going to Jordan Farmar, or Bobby Brown, or any other NBA player you name simply because you only know who NBA players are.

            These guys are simply not Spanoulis. In recent eras of Euroleague, you could at one time or another count these players as THE BEST without doubt player in Europe at the given time.

            Dejan Bodiroga

            then

            Sarunas Jasikevicius

            then

            Theo Papaloukas

            then

            Ramunas Siskauskas

            then

            Juan Carlos Navarro

            then

            Dimitris Diamantidis

            and NOW it is,

            VASSILIS SPANOULIS

            None of them have held the title for very long, as it usually comes to the player at his absolute peak. Right now Spanoulis has been peaking the last year and this one, so it is no surprise that he is the best in Europe now. Maybe it will just be last season and this one, maybe one more. But he IS THE BEST NOW in Europe.

            And he has placed himself with those above greats and legends of European basketball in doing so, in becoming the clear best of the continent for a time.

            Whether you can accept it or not, whether it drives you crazy from being a hater or not, whether it makes you mad because he is besting many players that were rotation players in NBA and now are in Euroleague, whatever is the reason why it pisses you off..

            The fact is that Spanoulis IS the best player in Europe now and guys like Jordan Farmar and Bobby Brown that you claim are the two best players in Europe and that you say are much better than Spanoulis???

            I guarantee that they will NEVER be known as the best player in Europe. They will NEVER be regarded as that, except maybe in the minds of delusional American NBA only fans.

            Notice that in that list, Anthony Parker is not listed. I have seen on every American basketball forum that 90+% of Americans say he was the best Euroleague player ever. Which is a pure comedy, because he was never considered the best player in Europe at any particular given moment in time.

            While Parker was in his prime, it was either Dejan Bodiroga or Sarunas Jasikevicius that were regarded as the best player in Europe, and not Anthony Parker. But you like all the morons in USA that have never watched a Euroleague game make up this imaginary revisionist history where he was “Jordan of Europe”.

            Your bullshit now about guys like Farmar and Bobby Brown being better than Spanoulis si the same crap. Just like all the crap you told here for years about how Ricky Rubio was a great player in Euroleague and how he was so much better than any guard in Europe.

            Finally, after hundreds of Europeans called you a fucking idiot for saying that shit, you started a new troll argument of, “Rubio was rising star in Euroleague and was starting point guard of a Euroleague champion, so he must have at least been one of the best players there”.

            So the guy that was the 1-12 best player on the team of Barca, becomes some kind of legend in Euroleague, no matter what, simply because you suffer from this NBA only fan disease.

            Simply, Spanoulis beat Team USA and that PISSES YOU OFF. Spanoulis “failed in NBA” (by a coach benching him for no reason, you call it “failure” which is totally stupid), and because he “failed in NBA” it drives you insane that he is better than dozens of NBA rotation players that have played in Euroleague in recent years.

            Spanoulis is perfect fall guy argument for your NBA only fan disease delusions and arguments.

            “Euroleague star was a scrub in NBA”.

            and for your hatred of all Greek basketball, after your beloved Team USA lost to Greece in 2006.

            “No Greeks can play in the NBA because they are all slow nonathletic white scrubs like Spanoulis and Bourousis”.

            You have the extreme African supremacy racism disease also.

            “Those 12 black Africans of Nigeria are all genetically superior to those slow white stiff Greeks”.

            Saddest part is that, 11 of those 12 “Nigerians” are Americans, and 10 of those 12 “Nigerians” were not born in Nigeria, don’t speak Nigerian language, and have never even lived in Nigeria. Which just shows how extreme your Afro supremacy racist beliefs are.

            You are so obvious and easy to read and decipher and yet you seem to actually think that no one here sees right through your stupid, ignorant, and even racist bullshit. In short, you are nothing more than a creep that needs to get a life.

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  14. Redikas
    12 years ago

    Spanoulis is a flat out better player than Navarro. He’s equal to Navarro at least on offense, maybe better if you consider his passing ability, and he’s light years better than Navarro on defense.

    There are some really strange freaks posting here.

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  15. ΠΑΣΟΚ
    12 years ago

    Π Α Σ Ο Κ

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  16. Gabe
    12 years ago

    All I see is making excuses as to why Spanoulis has not won a Euroleague MVP award or predictions that he will this year. And that’s all they are, excuses and predictions. I could claim that Carmelo should have won NBA MVP last year and that he will win this year, but until he does they are just excuses and predictions which hold zero weight.

    Anthony Parker not only won two Euroleague champions and one Final Four MVP awards he was also selected as Euroleague MVP twice. That’s two more times than Spanoulis so to mention those two in the same breath is insulting to Anthony Parker. I won’t call him the Jordan of Euroleague, Jordan had 6 championships, 6 Finals MVPs and 5 NBA MVPs so Parker isn’t close but at this point we can call him the Lebron of Euroleague. Lebron has won 1 championship, one Finals MVP and 3 NBA MVPs. So Lebron has one more MVP award but Parker has one more championship..close enough.

    And again about Rubio. He was more than 1-12 top guys on the Euroleague champion. He was a major contributer. He lead the team in assists and steals, was 6th in points, and 4th in mpg.
    http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=E2009

    So I backed up my talk with a link. So the starting point guard on a Euroleague champion who lead the team in assists and steals, was 4th in mpg and 6th in points was one of the top 1-12 guys? No he was one of the top 1-6 guys on a Euroleague champion. Yet he was a scrub? Liar!!!

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  17. Derrick
    12 years ago

    Gabe, you have become a joke among the blog readers, for all of your comments in the blog.
    Just stop.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yeah posting facts and backing them up with links to prove your facts are funny.

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  18. Gabe The Worst Troll Ever
    12 years ago

    Things Gabe has said in this site about Euroleague:

    The two best players in Euroleague are Jordan Farmar and Bobby Brown.

    Hilton Armstrong is the best center in Euroleague.

    Ricky Rubio was one of the best players in Euroleague and was better than any other guard in Euroleague.

    Josh Childress was a superstar in Euroleague. He even called him Jordan of Europe before and LeBron of Europe before.

    Anthony Parker is the best Euroleague player of all time Despite what he claims here, he has called him Jordan of Europe before here. Just now you see he called him LeBron of Europe.

    Vassilis Spanoulis is a scrub at FIBA level, and is barely even an average player in Euroleague

    Sarunas Jasikevicius was a total scrub most of his career, and at his absolute peak, was barely an average player.

    Alba, Maccabi, and Siena are clearly among the best teams in Euroleague.

    Ioannis Bourousis is a total scrub in Euroleague.

    Shelden Williams is the best center in Euroleague (that was Gabe’s claim after Armstrong could barely even get on the court with PAO).

    Brandon Jennings and Ty Lawson were stars in Euroleague.

    Sonny Weems without any doubt totally dominates Euroleague and is so “athletically superior” to all other Euroleague players that he is actually impossible to guard.

    The Nigerian national team is far superior to the Greek national team.

    Ade Dagunduro is a superior player to Vassilis Spanoulis.

    Ike Diogu is a superior player to Ioannis Bourousis.

    Juan Carlos Navarro is a much worse player than other Spanish players like Rudy Fernandez, Jose Calderon, Sergio Rodriguez, Marc Gasol, Ricky Rubio.

    Juan Carlos Navarro, Sarunas Jasikevicius, Vassilis Spanoulis, Arvydas Maciauskas – not a single one of them was ever good enough to play in the NBA and every single NBA player is better than they are or were.

    The best player in Europe could not even make an NBA roster.

    The worst player in the NBA would be the unanimous MVP of the Euroleague.

    The D-League is better than the Greek League.

    The average D-League player could dominate in Euroleague, average 30 points a game, and win the MVP award.

    Nenad Krstic is the Wilt Chamberlain of Euroleague.

    Sonny Weems is the LeBron James of Euroleague.

    Jordan Farmar is the Michael Jordan of Euroleague.

    Kirilenko last season had the greatest single season in European club basketball HISTORY and it was the best BY FAR.

    If any player in Europe was actually good enough to make an NBA roster, he would be playing in the NBA.

    No one playing in Europe could make an NBA roster.

    The best team in the Euroleague would be much worse than last year’s Charlotte Bobcats.

    The best team in the Euroleague could only win 1-2 games in an NBA season.

    Last year’s Charlotte Bobcats would have won the Euroleague champion, going undefeated through the whole Euroleague season.

    The D-League champion would beat the Euroleague champion.

    The best NCAA college teams would probably beat the Euroleague champion.

    A team composed of the 12 best Euroleague players would lose by 50 points against the 2012 Team USA.

    A team composed of the 12 best European players would lose by 30 points to the 2012 Team USA..

    All white players are nonathletic, slow, stiffs, that cannot run and cannot jump. All white players are genetically inferior.

    All black players are genetically superior and can all run and jump like super athletic freaks of nature.

    A team of 12 white genetically inferior guys cannot beat a team of 12 genetically superior black guys.

    Kosta Koufos and Kostas Papanikolaou are the best ever Greek players.

    Rudy Fernandez is so dominant in Euroleague that without even trying, he destroys and dominates the Euroleague and is simply not guard-able even without trying.

    Nicolas Batum was the LeBron of Euroleague, and dominated Euroleague, even despite being guarded by 5 players at all times.

    Any NBA rotation player would instantly be the best player in Euroleague at his position.

    Any NBA 6th man would instantly be the best player in Euroleague.

    Any NBA starter would instantly be the greatest player in the history of European basketball.

    Ricky Rubio was the best player on Barca.

    Ricky Rubio lead Barca to the Euroleague championship.

    Ade Dagunduro will be the best players in all of Europe.

    Ike Diogu would instantly be the best big man in Euroleague.

    On the last two, interestingly, Dagunduro averages something like 1.3 PPG in the Italian League with Roma, and Diogu tried desperately to get a Euroleague contract and numerous Euroleague teams turned him down. He now plays in the brilliant Chinese League……

    I could probably go on for another hour with the shit he has said in this forum. The guy is a fucking racist clown of the highest order and a troll of the greatest magnititude imaginable. He is a complete JOKE.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      All lies. I never said any of that. Some might be way exaggerations of what I have said.

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      • Zoran
        12 years ago

        As long time reader here and at other forum where you post I can say that you have definitely said all of those things and many more other similar crazy things. You have said all of that and then some more.

        That you now deny it and say you never said it also proves that you know what you are saying is not true and that you just say it to troll and to harass European basketball fans and just to bash on European basketball and players.

        Of course it also proves what a huge liar you are. It is funny thing though that you think you can spend years here saying all this crazy stuff and lies and that then you can just think no one will remember you said this stuff and that then you can just pretend you never said it and say it is just made up lies about what you say.

        You have some issues.

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  19. mike
    12 years ago

    All the arguments from the Euro nuts I see posting are emotional arguments with very little facts backing them. They like to make long rants using imaginary quotes supposedly said by Gabe or whoever saying Greeks are white and not athletic. Who on earth could have said stupid things like that? Most of these guys are color blind and can’t see the truth if it was right in front of them.

    Facts are facts. Spanoulis failed horribly in the NBA creating a big scene in Houston. He told JVG, ” back in Europe I was Mcgrady.” Well, JVG said, Mcgrady is Mcgrady here. Pathetic.
    I don’t know how anyone can deny that 2.7ppg on 31% FG shooting were horrible stats whichever way you want to look at this. So if you want this guy as the representative of Europe in the logo, be my guest.

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    • Zoran
      12 years ago

      You and Gabe have said hundreds of racist things here about white players. You are a joke if you think you can spend years here saying this stuff and that other people that read the site will not remember it.

      You are both saying racist things here all the time. But Gabe is worse in that then you.

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      • Zoran
        12 years ago

        And you are also an idiot again. You use stupidest arguments ever. Spanoulis is not “McGrady of Europe” you fool.

        How many NBA championships does McGrady have? Zero.

        How many NBA Finals MVPs does McGrady have? Zero.

        How man times did McGrady even make it past first of NBA playoffs? Zero.

        How many Euroleague championships does Spanoulis have? Two.

        How many Euroleague Final Four MVPs does Spanoulis have? Two.

        How many times did Spanoulis get past the first stage of Euroleague playoffs (Top 16)? Four.

        Saying Spanoulis McGrady of Euroleague is an absolute joke, because he has led his team to championships. It is also a joke because Spanoulis never said it. Jeff Van Gundy just said Spanoulis said that. He made it up.

        Spanoulis never said the thing you keep saying he said. Jeff Van Gundy SAID IT. Spanoulis never even said it you fucking idiot.

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  20. PG
    12 years ago

    Vassilis Spanoulis could play in the NBA next year. His asking price for the NBA is rumored to be 3 years $25 million. Supposedly, if an NBA team is willing to offer him his asking price, he would play there.

    So apparently, if an NBA team is willing to meet his salary demands, this “debate” will be put to rest once and for all. I hope some NBA team will meet his asking price and this will be settled.

    Because he is a really great player and he needs to remove all this nonsense that Americans talk about him, simply over how Van Gundy sabotaged his NBA career. So hopefully, some NBA team offers him what he wants, and he can finally prove how good he is in the NBA next season.

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  21. AB
    12 years ago

    Spanoulis … without … a … doubt.

    I’ve been reading this site for ages and have always assumed ‘Gabe’ was one of the moderators of the site, posting mindless s*** just to create some debate.

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  22. Vincent
    12 years ago

    I would like to see the Celtics pick up Spanoulis.

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  23. mike
    12 years ago

    Yeah, I would really like to see Spanoulis next year in the NBA. If the Celtics pick him up to back up Rondo or to play along side him, that would be a good situation for him. BTW, I never said Span can’t make it in the NBA, but what I did say a few days ago on this site is that, to be fair, he could make it in the right situation, and in the right environment. The Celtics play team ball, and my Sixers’ Jrue Holiday, who is just ballin this year playing great, will face him several times a year.

    The question really is how big of a “success” will he be? Really good or so so? More like Parker? Or more like JCN’s moderate success in Memphis? I don’t think he will be a flop like he was unquestionably in Houston. I will give the V-Span the benefit of the doubt that year that maybe he wasn’t mature enough to handle his Rocket experience.

    My inclination is he will be so so. Maybe a starter for a poorer team willing to give him a shot, or a rotation player on a good team . If he starts, I say 11ppg , 5.5apg, 2tog, 43fg%, 32fg%3, .5spg. Something like that, but I could be wrong. There is a chance he could play really well(All Star level) or flop again in spectacular fashion. What we saw in Houston is that he can be discouraged, and if he meets some set backs early on, as he surely will, he might just tank it again. That’s the concern if I’m a GM or coach in the NBA.

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    • Jordan
      12 years ago

      Spanoulis is leaps and bounds better than guys like Ricky Rubio, Goran Dragic, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, Gary Neal, Beno Udrih, Greivez Vazquez, etc.

      Your stats prediction is laughable low. If Goran Dragic can average 17 and 8 in the NBA, then Spanoulis in the same situation would average something like 25 and 11.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        “Spanoulis is leaps and bounds better than guys like Ricky Rubio, etc…” That’s your opinion. When he was in the NBA he was a total scrub.

        “Spanoulis in the same situation would average something like 25 and 11.” Again that is just your opinion. The fact is that so far in the NBA Spanoulis has averaged something like 2.7 and .9. That’s the fact. You could make up all the excuses about him being sabotaged and all the lies about Van Gundy being fired because of that, it doesn’t change the facts. Right now your prediction of Spanolis’ numbers if he comes back into the NBA are just that a prediction. Just like your prediction that he will win Euroleague MVP this year.

        As it stands now Spanoulis never has been Euroleague MVP and as it stands now he averaged 2.9 and .9 in the NBA.

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        • AP
          12 years ago

          As it stand now, you are by the dumbest person to ever post on a basketball website.

          BTW, just as predicted, Fernandez, Farmar, Weems, Williams, and Brown are already seeing a steady decline to their numbers and production in Euroleague, due the games starting to take on more meaning.

          All of these players that you claimed were simply yhe best by far in Euroleague……you are a chump.

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            Fernandez is the leading scorer and 2nd in assists on a 6-2 Madrid team that is first place in their group..

            Farmer is leading the 5-3 Anadolu Efes in points and assists and has advanced them to the top 16.

            Weems is the 4th leading scorer in all of Euroleague and has lead his team to a 7-1 record.

            Williams is 3rd in Euroleague in rebounds

            And lastly Bobby Brown has made it his prerogative to lead Euroleague in scoring and be 5th in the whole league in assists while leading his team to a 5-3 record and a top 16 birth.

            And by the way, that Alba Berlin team that you claimed was the “worse team in Euroleague” when they were playing the Mavs is at .500 in their group and have advanced to the Final 16. So there are at least two Euroleague teams worse than they are.

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  24. Russ
    12 years ago

    I liked the idea some NBA expert stated a few week ago (just don’t remember where exactly) that 10 per cent of NBA players would be a stars on any team, 80 per cent are capable of doing so on a right team at a right time, but could be a failure as well on the wrong team and 10 per cent just couldn’t make it on any team. The question is whether Spanoulis is among those 80 per cent, or … 🙂

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yeah I agree with that; That’s why the excuse “he didn’t get the chance/his coach didn’t like him, etc, etc…” just does not fly. I mean 90% of the players who are scrubs/the 11th or 12th man on the bench/role players can make that same excuse, in any league anywhere.

      Unless you are a lottery pick in the NBA you are not guaranteed minutes. (For example Rubio was a lottery a pick and therefore guaranteed minutes which explains some of the hated for him on this site. He was guaranteed minutes while some other players who might be better were not). Just look at Jeremy Lin. He was like the 12th man on the team until he was given a chance and became a starter with a big contract.

      Coaches are going to choose the players (rightly or wrongly) who they believe gives them the best chance of winning and keeping their jobs. Sometimes they’re are right. Sometime they are wrong. They are many players in the world who never made it who could have been better than many of the stars today but were just not given the chance. Fortunately the super talents (Lebron, Kobe, Rubio) are discovered at a young age and guaranteed minutes.

      That’s why the argument that Spanoulis or whoever was not given the proper chance is a dumb argument. Yes it might be true but the same thing could be argued by the supporters of hundreds of other players who didn’t make in the NBA, or Euroleague or really any league. How players perform is how you have to judge them in this world. It can be a mix of skill, coaching strategy, luck whatever but that’s all you have to judge players. If you can’t look at Spanoulis’ stats of 2.9 ppg and agree that he was a scrub in the NBA than you can’t ever call anybody a scrub in any league ever, because maybe they weren’t given a chance either.

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      • Jordan
        12 years ago

        The general manager of the Rockets said that he fired Van Gundy because of what he did to Spanoulis. So I guess you are now claiming that the Rockets general manager was also making excuses.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Hmmm….Very interesting comment Jordan. I have never heard that before. I find in very doubtful the Van Gundy was fired because what he did to Spanoulis, in fact that has been one of the most insane things I have ever heard.

          But since I assume you wouldn’t just make stuff up and post it unless you are either a troll or insane yourself. That is why I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. Please post a link to any source that even hints that the GM of the Rockets fired Van Gundy because of what he did to Spanoulis.

          If you can do that you have added something everybody didn’t know and added a lot to this discussion. If you do not post a link what you claim has to be regarded as a lie and you as a liar and a troll.

          Sorry

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    • Jordan
      12 years ago

      Spanoulis is in the 100% of all players that can’t succeed if their coach does not want them too. Jeff van Gundy has always been a guy with a Napoleon complex. He’s one of the most hated coaches I can ever remember by former players.

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  25. Tom
    12 years ago

    I am not sure, but I think he is married with a kid now.
    Would he leave them in Greece, or would he take them with him?

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    • AP
      12 years ago

      Yes, he is married and has 2 kids now. He is also extremely close to his mother and brother, and his mother had problems before when he left her. It might be different for him though now, if his wife would come with him.

      Then again, Real Madrid offered him a huge contract of much more money than he got from Olympiacos, and the word was that his wife would not even agree to move to Spain.

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  26. Jordan
    12 years ago

    Wow, the amount of Spanoulis haters and the hate they have is unreal. It’s equal to the level of hate Tom Brady gets.

    The rule of thumb is that the without question or even argument best player of a league is ALWAYS the player that has the most haters.

    NFL = Tom Brady

    Euroleague = Vassilis Spanoulis

    That is pretty clear.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      A good definition of the best player in a league is the award for MVP.

      Tom Brady has 2 NFL MVP awards, Spanoulis has ZERO.

      Not to mention Brady has won 3 championships while Spanoulis only has two and Brady has been named to the All-pro 1st team twice while Spanoulis has only been named to All-Euroleage 1st team just once.

      To be mentioned as the best player of a league you need at least one MVP award which Spanoulis has never received. You can make all the excuses and predictions you want the fact is Spanoulis has never once been selected as Euroleague MVP ever!!! In fact last year was the FIRST time Spanoulis was ever voted to first team all-Euroleague.

      We all know that Lebron James is the best player in the NBA because he is the MVP, in fact he has three NBA MVP awards. Until Spanoulis is selected for MVP he will never even be in the discussion.

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      • AP
        12 years ago

        Kobe Bryant had been universally considered the best player in the NBA for many years, without having won a league MVP award. In other words, you are completely FULL OF SHIT.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Kobe Bryant won an NBA MVP award in 2008 idiot, not including his 5 championships and 10X ALL NBA FIRST TEAM selections. How many times have Spanoulis been selected to all-Euroleague 1st team? ONCE.

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          • AP
            12 years ago

            GOD you are a fucking MORON.

            I said Kobe Bryant had been considered the best NBA playeer for many years without winning an NBA MVP. He was fucking considered best NBA players for MANY YEARS before 2008.

            Never have I seen a piece of shit like you on the sports forums on teh internet. You are a special kind of nut.

            Kobe was for YEARS BEFORE he ever won an MVP award considered THE BEST player in the NBA.

            You are a really disgusting person with all the insane hate and lies you spew all over this website.

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      • AP
        12 years ago

        For months on end here, we have seen Gabe proclaim that Ade Dagunduro was the best player in Europe and that he was better than Vassilis Spanoulis, and that he would prove it in Europe this year.

        While Spanoulis is on his way to a Euroleague MVP award, Ade Dagunduro is averaging 0.9 points per game in the much weaker Italian League:

        http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Italy&Team=84&Page=3

        Also for months on end here, we have heard Gabe say that Ike Diogu would get a contract in Euroleague, would be the best center in Europe, and that he was clearly much better than Ioannis Bourousis.

        While Bourousis currently leads the Euroleague in PIR –>

        http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Valuation&agg=PerGame

        Ike Diogu is in the Chinese League, because he failed to secure a Euroleague contract, after the following Euroleague teams turned down his offers to play for them:

        Olympiacos
        Panathinaikos
        Siena
        Malaga
        Barca
        Real Madrid
        Khimki

        So instead, he plays with the Chinese club Guangdong Southern Tigers —>

        http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=China&Team=1943&Page=1

        Where he averages 15 points and 10 rebounds per game, in 34 minutes per game —>

        http://www.asia-basket.com/team.asp?Cntry=China&Team=1943&Page=3

        Bourousis, on the other hand, averages 14 points and 8 rebounds per game, in 23 minutes per game, in the far superior level of the Euroleague.

        Anyone that even for one second thinks anything Gabe says is even remotely true, is a dumb ass of the highest order.

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  27. Komodo dragon
    12 years ago

    It is worth to look, realy amazing shoots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQERJDJD8Kw

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  28. mike
    12 years ago

    Hey AP, have you ever seen Kobe take free throws in the NBA or even in international ball, in the 2008 Olympic games in China, to be specific? Well, have you ever heard the chants of the fans? “MVP, MVP, MVP! ” Do you think these fans are just blowing hot air?

    For the record, Kobe Bryant won the NBA MVP award in the 2007/2008 regular season. In 2009, TNT Sports also named him the best player of the 2000’s. Next time you claim something, make sure you check your facts. It’s quite easy. It’s all over Wikipedia or other credible sources of news. Oh wait, you get your facts from the sports section of the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY JOURNAL.

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    • AP
      12 years ago

      For the record Kobe was considered BEST NBA PLAYER for YEARS BEFORE he ever won any league MVP of NBA.

      This is a FACT.

      For the record you are a stupid son of a bitch.

      This is also a fact.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Kobe was considered the best player in the NBA before he won his MVP which was also before he won his Finals without Shaq? I think not. One of the best but the hands down best NBA player before 1998? Better than Nash? Better than Duncan? Better than Garnett and Nowitzki? After he won is NBA MVP he went on to then win two Finals MVPs without Shaq so maybe at that point he was considered the best but that was only after he won an NBA MVP. To be considered the best you need those MVPs. Jordan had five. Spanoulis doesn’t even have one in a second tier league.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          *1998, I meant 2008.

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        • Greg
          12 years ago

          Dude, seriously, shut up. Kobe was considered the best player in the NBA since at least 2004. He did not win the MVP award until 2008. You are starting to sound like a truly crazy person.

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  29. San Miguel
    12 years ago

    Gabe says:
    December 1, 2012 at 5.49am
    Fernandez is the leading scorer and 2nd in assists on a 6-2 Madrid team that is first place in their group..
    Farmer is leading the 5-3 Anadolu Efes in points and assists and has advanced them to the top 16.
    Weems is the 4th leading scorer in all of Euroleague and has lead his team to a 7-1 record.
    Williams is 3rd in Euroleague in rebounds
    And lastly Bobby Brown has made it his prerogative to lead Euroleague in scoring and be 5th in the whole league in assists while leading his team to a 5-3 record and a top 16 birth.
    And by the way, that Alba Berlin team that you claimed was the “worse team in Euroleague” when they were playing the Mavs is at .500 in their gro
    up and have advanced to the Final 16. So there are at least two Euroleague teams worse than they are.

    —

    Someone please tell me that this guy is joking…………….is he actually implying these are the best players in Euroleague? I am just – I don’t even know how the fuck to respond to idiocy of that level.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Are my implying that they are the best players in Euroleague? Not necessarily. Am I my implying that they are among the best players in Euroleague? Especially Fernandez who is the leading scorer and 2nd in assists on a first place team, Weems who is 4th in the whole league in scoring and has led his team to the 2nd best record in the whole league with his scoring, and Bobby Brown who is 1st in the whole league in scoring, 5th in the whole lead in assists and with those league leading stats has led his team to the next round of the top 16…well yes I am.

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    • Greg
      12 years ago

      I think it is pretty obvious from reading what this Gabe has written here, that he is just a huge troll. Either that, or he some kind of loon.

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  30. mike
    12 years ago

    The point is Kobe still won an MVP just to OFFICIALLY claim that he can be considered one of the best players, if not the best player. If he never won an MVP, there would be the usual critics that would say he can’t be considered one of the best players. The MVP award put an end to any negative chatter from critics.

    I don’t mean to imply that Span is not one of the best players in Europe. In fact, I believe he is one of the best players in the Euroleague, but to claim he is the best, without winning the season MVP award can only be considered an opinion, not fact. Again, going back to the real issue, Spanoulis’ recent record is mixed and tainted.

    Gabe has recounted them, but for me, what stands out are his failure in the NBA, and the fact that he has led Greece to gradual decline as a world basketball power in the last few years. This cannot be denied, despite protestation of rigging refs, which is the ultimate sour grape fantasy.

    Until Spanoulis’ joins the NBA and shows otherwise, he will be forever viewed as just another NBA scrub who couldn’t hack it, but made it big in Europe. Internationally, he had that one shining moment against Team USA, but after that, not much, really.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      And I also say compare that to JCN who was successful in his one year NBA career (selected to All-Rookie 2nd team) has won a WC gold and two Eurobasket golds (being named tournament MVP for one of those) has been selected 5 times to 1st team all-Euroleague (while Spanoulis has only been selected once) and…drum roll please…also has a Euroleague MVP.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        And don’t forget I think his worse placement ever with team Spain was 7th place. No 11th place finishes or getting eliminated by Nigeria! lol

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    • Greg
      12 years ago

      Sarunas Jasikevicius never won a Euroleague MVP award. Yet he was seen as the best player in Europe by about 90% of coaches, fans, media, players. You can shut up any time.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Jasikevicius was never considered the best Euroleague player. His prime was the same time as the great Anthony Parker.

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        • Bodi
          12 years ago

          Can we do something about this troll? Saras was definitely considered the best player in Europe during Anthony Parker’s “prime”. Really, the trolling of this one guy has become practically unbearable.

          He claims things like Saras was never considered the best player in Europe and no one even comes in to say it is trolling. It’s like saying “Jordan was never considered best player in NBA”.

          Really, the level of trolling by this one troll is just overboard.

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            You’re comparing Saras in Euroleague to Michael Jordan in the NBA and you’re calling me a troll? 1st off Michael won 6 NBA champions to Saras’ 4 Euroleague championship but that is not the big difference. The big difference is in every single one of Jordan’s championships he was named the Finals MVP as Saras only has one Final Four MVP. Not to mention Jordan has 5 NBA MVP awards while Saras has 0. I realize they didn’t really start the Euroleague MVP until the middle of his career but, unlike Jordan, there was never a time when Saras could have been called, without a doubt, the best player in Europe. If it was him without a doubt I think he would have had more Final Four MVPs and at least one Euroleague MVP.

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    • Goran
      12 years ago

      Anyone saying Jasikevicius was never the best player in Europe is a fucking idiot, a liar, and a troll.

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  31. Phileus
    12 years ago

    Ah, yes. I come back to the site after a few days and the same old shit is still going on, as it has for the past few years. At this point, I can’t say the content is worth the toxic “discussion” that the disinterested site owner has decided to allow to infect the comments section of almost every post. There are better sites to get informative – and moderated, troll-free – Euroleague discussion. Maybe I’ll see y’all there, because I don’t think I’ll be coming back here.

    Gabe and Apollo, I hope you two end up meeting in real life, fall in love, and have a beautiful marriage that lasts your entire lives!

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    • AB
      12 years ago

      Phileus, could you recommend a few good sites, please? I’ve had it with this one.

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      • Greg
        12 years ago

        Unfortunately, I think “Gabe” posts at all of them.

        At a site called insidehoops they have quite a lot of talk about Euroleague, but someone named “gabepizza” trolls endlessly there and ruins every single thread about it. “gabepizza” has an identical posting pattern to “Gabe” here.

        At a site called interbasket.net they have tons of discussion on European basketball, but a troll named “KWSN-Men” posts there and ruins most discussions. With a posting pattern that is identical to the one of “Gabe” at this site.

        Etc.

        This troll is never reprimanded on any of these sites either.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          But there is one troll who has been reprimanded on insidehoops. Everybody knows he is a troll and calls him out for it. Even the moderator has put under his screen name “crazed troll”. I wonder who that is eh?

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  32. Michael
    12 years ago

    Let’s talk about stats since Gabe loves to post stats and manipulate and twist them. Like posting stats for league leaders of guys that don’t even qualify for the league leaders.

    Here are the stats.

    The top 2 ranked players in Euroleague are:

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Valuation&agg=PerGame

    Ioannis Bourousis and Vassilis Spanoulis. Aron Baynes does not qualify as he did not play enough games, since his team was eliminated.

    Total rebounds:

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=TotalRebounds&agg=PerGame

    Bourousis leads Euroelague. Sheklden Williams does NOT qualify regardless of all the bullshit Gabe posts here. His team was eliminated and so eh does NOT qualify for the leaders list.

    Assists:

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Assistances&agg=PerGame

    Vassilis Spanoulis leads the Euroleague in assists.

    All we heard here for the last 5-6 months was how horrible these two players were and how they are the worst players in Europe.

    Well, the stats show they are so far the two best players in Europe, including the best passer, and the best rebounder.

    Meanwhile, Gabe touts guys like Shelden Williams that don’t even qualify for the league leaders.

    Meanwhile, Dagunduro and Diogu are scrubs that could not even get Euroleague contracts, despite trying to get them.

    But we heard here for months how Nigeria is a better team than Greece and how Diogu and Dagunduro are miles “superior” to Bourousis and Spanoulis.

    Why is this? Because Gabe is RACIST.

    Spanoulis and Bourousis are white. Greek national team is white.

    Diogu and Dagunduro are black. Nigerian national team is black.

    Gabe’s whole point here and at other websites is to push this racist Afro supremacy ideology of “whites are genetically inferior” and “blacks are genetically superior”. He had said this literally hundreds of times here.

    NBA and Team USA is equated to “blacks”.

    Euroleague, EuroBasket, European basketball, Greek basketball, European players,, etc. is equated to “whites”.

    Gabe is simply a racist that hates white people and that is pushing an Afro supremacist racist ideology all over the internet. The best place that these particular kind of racists get away with this is NBA related and basketball related sports sites. Since this exact kind of racist propaganda has become generally totally accepted in those types of sites.

    Gabe is just a racist, and all he is doing here is pushing his racist agenda.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      And the 4th and 5th ranked players in all of Euroleague? Bobby Brown and Jordan Farmar.

      Points:

      http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Score&agg=PerGame

      Bobby Brown leads Euroleague in points.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        I also don’t get that do not qualify. If a player’s team doesn’t qualify for the top his stats don’t count? Does that mean NBA players whose team doesn’t make the playoffs doesn’t count either. FYI Baynes has played one more game than Bourousis.

        I mean I understand you should look at a teams records to judge someone’s stats. If someone is getting stats on a winner it means more than if they are padding stats on a losing team. And I’ve never heard of stats not qualifying just because a player’s team does not make the next round.

        And if that is true Bourousis’ team has still not advanced to the top 16. If he doesn’t make it I guess it means that his stats don’t mean either.

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        • Bodi
          12 years ago

          What the hell is wrong with you? The NBA has qualifications for stats and so does Euroleague. ou cannot qualify for the league leaders unless you play in at least 16 Euroleague games. Obviously the teams that got eliminated after 10 games don’t have any players that would qualify.

          The team of Bourousis will qualify for the Top 16 unless they have some kind of historic meltdown. Stop your damn trolling for just a few posts please.

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  33. Vincent
    12 years ago

    Gosh, this argument is so done with. Spanoulis is a great Euro player who was in the wrong situation in the NBA. I think in the right team he would be a very good rotation player at first while he gets the hang of the NBA game. Like I said before, the Celtics would be an ideal team for him among some others.

    Nigeria is not better than Greece even though they beat them in a one off game. It happens

    Greece is the much better team, and in a series would win in 5 games.

    Kobe is not the best player in the NBA anymore, hasn’t been in the last 3 to 4 years. LeBron is the king now.

    Euroleague and NBA are great leagues, I like them both . Difference between the 2 can be seen but just appreciate both high level leagues

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    • Bodi
      12 years ago

      No one can any normal basketball discussion here with these trolls like Gabe and Mike ruining every single topic with all their hatred and vitriol towards anything that is not NBA.

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  34. mike
    12 years ago

    Hatred? Racist? Vitriol? What exactly did I say that that applies to any of those words. I challenge any one to bring a direct quote that I said recently or in the past. How is saying Spanoulis is a scrub a racist sentiment? Or that Greece has been in decline. Anything racist about that? Those are opinions supported by overwhelming evidence.

    It seems to me many of you are not mature people and can’t clearly distinguish reality from fiction. Of course the Euroleague is a good league, but to say it is the equal of the NBA is clearly not borne of the evidence. Spanoiulis is a good to great Euroleague player, but to say he would be among the best players in the NBA is not borne out of the evidence. Is it racist to say he averaged 2.7ppg while shooting at a 31% ?

    It is also not racist to point out that Greece needs to infuse more athleticism in their front line . I don’t care if they are white, brown, or yellow, but Greece did get out rebounded by Nigeria in the qualifiers. This is not to say that Greece would lose to Nigeria in a 7 game series, but in international ball, all the games end up to be one and done.

    When the US lost to Greece in ’06, Americans knew that there was no way Greece could have beaten the US in a 7 game series, but that one game allowed the US to look inward and admit to itself that that one game vs Greece exposed US weaknesses which Team USA adjusted to. In ’08, the US infused Kobe and Kidd.

    This is what Greece needs to do. Instead of calling people racist and haters, look inwards, and improve Greece. Same thing for the Euroleague.

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    • Goran
      12 years ago

      You are a racist. You have no one fooled here.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Short of a KKK rally I’ve never seen a white person cry reverse racism and use the race card so often. I think we have a member of the Golden Dawn here.

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  35. mike
    12 years ago

    Okay, Goran. Whatever you say.

    I don’t know ,Gabe. These people are clearly in denial mode. Even if the US sends an All Star team to the Euroleague and beats up these Euros by 70 points, they will still say it was rigged. Or if Spanoulis finally goes to the NBA and stinks it up, they will say he is now over the hill or something.

    Phileus could be right. Maybe it’s no use. Whew.

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  36. Coach John
    12 years ago

    I decided to look up Spanoulis on YouTube to get an idea about this guy. To see if he is “good in Euroleague”, but would be a “total scrub in NBA” like some here claim.

    To see if he is “a scrub at world international level”, but “average in Europe”, etc.

    The things said by Gabe, mike, etc.

    Or if he is a great Euroleague player, a great FIBA player, and someone that could do well in the NBA, as the so-called “Euro homers” say.

    I looked for “Spanoulis, this month”. I watched the most recent YouTube video. Just uploaded not too long ago, with basically no one having watched it. It was 21 freaking minutes long, with probably 2/3s of it being game footage of Euroleague and Greece’s national league. It was for the 2011-2012 season. I then looked up some of the games on YouTube, from the Euroleague final four and the finals of Greece’s national league, Eurobasket, World Championship, and watched the games.

    First some background from me on basketball before I give my evaluation. I am American and have been involved in basketball as a player and coach for about 23 years. I currently work in youth coaching.

    My impressions,

    Generally speaking, Spanoulis is the single most impressive European player I have ever seen in terms of scoring skills and abilities. A rare player that can create a basket for himself or others under any circumstances, in any moment, against any competition.

    He has a complete offensive package to score, to create his own shot, draw fouls, create shots for others, run pick and roll, etc.

    He can drive both ways, shoot with both hands, finish with both hands, he has a plethora of different kinds of shots and moves. He has tremendous ball handling and passing skills. Outstanding court vision.

    His execution of the pick and roll is absolute perfection in all aspects. He’s a terrific shooter with unlimited shooting range. Long range, mid range, close range. He can shoot off the catch, or off the dribble. He can hit open shots, and shots with a hand in his face.

    His game style is extremely aggressive and he is relentless. Extremely competitive, supremely confident, an absolute warrior. Incredibly clutch player. Excels at the biggest moments of the biggest games. The opponent never wants to see him get the ball if the game is on the line.

    The question comes up here that he is not athletic enough for the NBA. I will evaluate,

    He has excellent quickness, he is fast, his dexterity, body control, and agility are out of this world. He is tremendously strong for a point guard and basically overpowers the big men in the lane with complete ease. Can finish around the basket with either hand against even the biggest 7 footers.

    His elevation on his jump shot is great. He gets very high on his elevation and has a very quick jump. He can jump far distances across the floor, hang in the air, draw contact, and still finish. He can jump up in the air vertically quickly, hang in the air for an impossible amount of time (Jordan level), draw contact and or avoid the defender, the finish.

    He is very quick with the dribble. He is really physical and you can’t just foul him hard, give him some tough screens and picks, knock him down on his drives to stop him. It barely effects him.

    He handles traps and double teams extremely well. If you single cover him he will tear the defense apart with his scoring. If you double and trap him, his passing will eat you alive.

    It was argued here that he can’t defend and could not play in the NBA because he is horrible on defense. Actually, he has outstanding lateral quickness and great timing on defense. He’s also really strong against bigger defenders. I’d put him in the top 2 best defenders at the one spot if he was in the NBA.

    Finally, my conclusion and NBA comparison is that Spanoulis is honestly the most impressive European player I have ever scouted or seen. If I had to make an NBA comparison, I would say prime John Stockton.

    Gabe and mike are indeed definitely trolling. Spanoulis is an incredible, actually, he is even an amazing player.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Hmmm..Did you watch his game against Nigeria?

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  37. Coach John
    12 years ago

    Watch this video of Spanoulis last season, and tell me with a straight face here that this guy is not good enough to play in the NBA:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fmCk9I20Uk

    If you can watch that and still say that guy could not play in the NBA, then you are someone that is either trolling, or you are someone that knows absolutely nothing at all about basketball.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      2.7 ppg

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      • Coach John
        12 years ago

        This is why people say you are a troll. Well, I tried.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          2.7 ppg “Coach John”

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  38. mike
    12 years ago

    “Coach John”? I like that new name. Would a really secure with himself coach call himself “Coach John” ? I might as well call myself “College Player of the Year Mike” .

    LOL.

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  39. Coach John
    12 years ago

    I watched the Greece versus Nigeria game. Spanoulis played terrific. The refs made about 4 awful calls at the end of the game and that was why Greece lost.

    So once more, upon investigation of the claims made here, it turns out that Gabe and mike are simply trolling. None of the claims they have made about the Greece versus Nigeria game are actually true.

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  40. Erik
    12 years ago

    http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/104858/180/bwin-mvp-for-november-vassilis-spanoulis-olympiacos-piraeus

    bwin MVP for November: Vassilis Spanoulis, Olympiacos Piraeus

    Not many players earn standing ovations on the road. But then not many players lead a team in every way quite like Olympiacos Piraeus guard Vassilis Spanoulis, who is Euroleague Basketball’s choice as bwin MVP for November. The standing ovation was given to Spanoulis early in November by the fans of EA7 Emporio Armani Milan in recognition of his virtuoso performance in a key road win for the defending champs. At month’s end, last season’s Final Four MVP deserves another ovation for driving Olympiacos from a 1-2 start to five consecutive victories in November that leave no doubt how ready the Reds are to defend their trophy this season. Spanoulis led Olympiacos in scoring in three of those five wins, was second in the other two, and did it all while dishing more assists than any Euroleague player in November. Most importantly, a month that started with big doubts about Olympiacos ended with Spanoulis and the Reds winning the last four games against big-name opponents, all but one of them on the road, by an average of 16.5 points. They are now in second place in their group, although tied on victories with the leader. With two regular season games left, sure to make a run at winning the group, everyone knows already who will lead the Reds on that mission, Vassilis Spanoulis, the bwin MVP for November.

    The bwin MVP of the Month honor is now in its ninth season. Although statistics and performance index ratings are taken into consideration for the award, they alone do not determine who is honored. The winner is named by Euroleague Basketball based on his and his team’s performance. The award for November was decided based on the five regular season games that all teams played between November 1 and 30. Euroleague Basketball partner bwin is the sponsor of the MVP of the Month award. Just as the best Euroleague player each month combines performance and leadership for success, so does bwin’s sponsorship communicate its conviction to be the best betting brand in European basketball.

    Despite keeping most of its players from last season, Olympiacos started November looking little like a defending champion. With a 1-2 record and coming off losses of 26 and 18 points, the latter at home, the team was in turmoil. The first game of November, with center Joey Dorsey having left the team, was difficult, too, but behind 21 points and 7 assists by Spanoulis, the Reds hung on for a 79-77 home win against Turkish Airlines Euroleague newcomer Cedevita Zagreb.

    That proved to be a corner-turning victory for Olympiacos. A week later, against EA7 Emporio Armani in Milan, Spanoulis was magical. His 23 points included 5 three-pointers, the most he has hit in 125 career Euroleague games. He also dished 9 assists, the second-best passing game of his career. When he left the game after 29 minutes, the home fans in Milan rose to their feet in appreciation. With that performance, the team’s confidence rose. On the road again a week later, Spanoulis went for 14 points and 8 assists in a 72-89 victory over Caja Laboral that the Reds led by 18 after three quarters. Next, they went home and took revenge for a big early-season loss by demolishing Anadolu Efes Istanbul 75-53 in the team’s second-best defensive effort of the last four years. Spanoulis posted 14 points and 4 assists in that one. Then, in November’s final week, it was time for more revenge. On the road again, the Reds blasted group leader Zalgiris Kaunas 63-77 with a 13-29 fourth-quarter assault to which Spanoulis contributed 16 points and 6 assists, including back-to-back three-pointers that made sure of the victory in the game’s next-to-last minute.

    Over his team’s five wins in November, Spanoulis posted averaged of 17.6 points and 6.8 assists, while making 14 of 31 three-pointers, or 45%. For the regular season so far, he ranks first in assists (6.25 apg.), sixth in scoring (16 ppg.) and fourth in three-pointers made (19). This marks the second bwin MVP of the Month award for Spanoulis in less than a year – he also won last February – and one that his fans in Piraeus will be ready to celebrate with him when it is presented before an upcoming Olympiacos home game.

    Monday, December 03, 2012

    Euroleague.net

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yes the prestigious Euroleague MVP of the month award which has been won by such greats a Sonny Weems, Nenad Krstic and Jeremy Pargo. I think the prerequisite to wining Euroleague MVP of the month is you had to be an scrub in the NBA. That is why Spanoulis won took. Look up “NBA scrub” in the dictionary and you would find Spanoulis.

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      • Slick Rick
        12 years ago

        Funny, because when guys like Weems and Kirilenko won that award you went on and on for days here in this site bragging about incredible that award is and how wonderful of an accomplishment it is to win that award.

        Hell, you bragged for months on end about it last year with Kirilenko.

        Your level of hypocritical bullshit is truly astonishing.

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      • Gabe The Worst Troll Ever
        12 years ago

        Sonny Weems was a 6th man in the NBA.

        Nenad Krstic was a starter in the NBA.

        Jeremy Pargo is starting right now in the NBA.

        NBA starters and 6th men are not “scrubs” – you fucking unbelievable piece of shit.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Sonny Weems averaged 7.7 ppg on a Toronto team that never even made the playoffs and was the third worse team in the whole league his last year. In Euroleague he is now averaging 16.5 ppg which is good for 4th in the whole league on a team with the 2nd best record in the whole league??!!

          Krstic averaged 10 ppg in the NBA and last year when his team made the playoffs, when the games really counted, he averaged 8 mpg. In Euroleague he was selected all-Euroleague 1st team and is the starting center for the team with the 2nd best record??!!!!

          Jeremy Pargo so far has averaged 4.6 ppg in the NBA. Sure he has so far started 8 out of 11 games this season…but for the 2nd worse team in the whole league!! In Euroleague he was selected all-Euroleague 2nd team and averaged 13 ppg which made him the lead scorer on the team that made the final!! He was also 4th in the whole league in assists that year.

          Euroleague..where NBA scrubs can become superstars!

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          • Michael
            12 years ago

            SHUT THE FUCK UP!

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          • Gabe
            12 years ago

            lol You mad?

            The truth hearts baby!

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          • Jim
            12 years ago

            You don’t know the term “scrub” means. Either lean what it actually means or indeed, shut the hell up.

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  41. Erik
    12 years ago

    Vassilis Spanoulis bwin Euroleague November MVP:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgK5QW09S0s

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  42. Gabe
    12 years ago

    You know you have probably created more Spanoulis haters in the world but especially in the US than humanly possible.

    Just because of you I’m going to make sure that if and when Spanoulis comes to the NBA next year to get good tickets when he comes to Brooklyn (yes I am a Knicks’ fan but Knicks’ tickets are harder to get and more expensive) and if he actually gets put in the game I will scream “NIGERIA” at the top of my lungs every time he touches the ball.

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  43. Slick Rick
    12 years ago

    Of course you will, because you are racist scumbag.

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  44. Slick Rick
    12 years ago

    And as already mentioned here by someone else, the best player in any league is always the guy with the most haters. Spanoulis has the most haters by far in international basketball, because he’s the best player by far in international basketball.

    LMFAO at Bobby Brown being the best player in the Euroleague……………

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      He has the most haters because he has a delusional nut like you who overrates a fair to meddling player and than responds with insults to any who would dare question you and this on various basketball forums. On this site you have perhaps just created a handful of Spanoulis haters but on a site like insidehoops you have created many haters who before really had no idea who Spanoulis even was and but now think of him as a running joke.

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  45. Panos
    12 years ago

    Spanoulis is “a fair to meddling player”……………….

    Where the fuck is this fool from?

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  46. Jim
    12 years ago

    I have no clue as to why Gabe has been allowed to troll this site so hard that he has totally ruined it and chased away every poster from it. This guy is a disgrace. I agree with the people telling him to shut up.

    This guy is some kind of nut. Seriously Gabe, ENOUGH. Just STOP. I like to come here and read the articles and your never ending and incessant trolling is just out of hand.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      “By agreeing with people telling him to shut up”. By people you mean yourself posting as different names. At least I’m honest and always post by my name. I’m not a psychotic like you who post as “Coach John” and make up a whole story about yourself. That’s the problem with this website is you can just post under any name. At least in Insidehoops you have to create a profile so there everybody know that the poser “Euroleague” is an crazed troll. The moderator has even put that as your tag somehow. And you get ratings and your ratings is like 6 red boxes (red being bad, I have at least one green box and no red)

      But here it has become like the boy who cried wolf. Now when aomebody does agree with you, and it might be that some of those posters is a different person and not just you, everyone is just going to assume it is you trolling under a different alias.

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  47. Erik K
    12 years ago

    And the top 2 ranked players in the Euroleague currently are:

    1. Ioannis Bourousis
    2. Vassilis Spanoulis

    http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Valuation&agg=PerGame

    Gabe suicide watch in 3…2…1…

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      And the top 2 scorers in the Euroleague currently are
      1. Bobby Brown
      2. Sonny Weems

      http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Score&agg=PerGame

      Erik K suicide watch in 3..2..1…

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      • Please Stop It Gabe
        12 years ago

        There is something wrong with you. PLEASE stop it. You are ruining the site for everyone. Just please stop trolling.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      And I won’t be bragging about Ioannis “those Africans can jump so high it’s not fair” Bourousis. If either his team loses to Olympiacos or Caja Laboral beats KK Cedevita next week than he won’t even qualify for the Top 16 and remember than his statistics will not even count then? Right?

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      • Lakers
        12 years ago

        And I won’t be bragging about Ioannis “those Africans can jump so high it’s not fair” Bourousis. If either his team loses to Olympiacos or Caja Laboral beats KK Cedevita next week than he won’t even qualify for the Top 16 and remember than his statistics will not even count then? Right?

        >

        These comments are highly offensive and extremely racist. It’s disgusting that he keeps being allowed to say these things and isn’t banned.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      And the top 2 ranked players in the Euroleague currently are:(since Euroleague does not count the stats of players who do not advance out of the regular season…
      1. Vassilis Spanoulis
      2. Bobby Brown
      http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2012&cat=Valuation&agg=PerGame
      Everybody’s talking all this stuff about me now
      Why don’t they just let me live?
      I don’t need commission
      Make my own decisions
      That’s my prerogative (to be the 2nd ranked player in Euroleague)
      -Booby Brown

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  48. Please Stop It Gabe
    12 years ago

    Gabe, several people have asked you to stop trolling. I am also asking you to please stop trolling. You are destroying this site and chasing everyone away.

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  49. Lakers
    12 years ago

    Gabe also posts at the site insidehoops.com under the name gabepizza

    If anyone is interested to see, he trolls there also. He also makes incredibly RACIST comments there against white players all the time.

    This guy is simply a RACIST scum bag and that is his whole agenda. To bad mouth European “white” basketball. It really is sad that this site and insidehoops allow racists like this to spew their filth without banning them.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      It seems that insidehoops did do something to stop the constant trolling. They banned you! Bahahahahahahaha

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  50. Latsos
    12 years ago

    I agree. From reading through here, this site is a disgrace that it allows racist comments from Gabe and does nothing to stop it.

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  51. Erik K
    12 years ago

    Another epic failure of Gabe’s trolling……….

    Efes’s coach on Jordan Farmar’s extreme recent struggles………

    Mahmuti:

    “The players who are called “stars” – it’s not me, but other people who called them stars – were not on the court mentally. They were only there physically. A week ago, we secured our place in the Top 16. But I think those stars were not here tonight, they were somewhere else! We knew how strong Caja Laboral was on the rebounds. We tried to balance it. But unfortunately, it was a totally terrible team performance. Nobody challenged them.”

    —–

    Once again, Gabe looks like one of the biggest idiots ever. Farmar, who Gabe said was “clearly by far the best and most dominant player in Euroleague”, “will definitely for sure be the Euroleague MVP”, etc………….

    this guy is playing so badly that his days in Efes are already numbered………..

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      His days are already numbered while he is 2nd on the team in points and 1st in assists.

      All I know he is going to be tearing up the top 16 while Ioannis “those Africans can jump so high it’s not fair” Bourousis will be watching from home contemplating another epic failure. What a loser!!!

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  52. Erik K
    12 years ago

    I am asking this site owner to ban Gabe for his racist comments,m or I think we should boycott the site.

    EVERY DAY Gabe makes RACIST comments here and nothing is done about it.

    Os Davis, please give an explanation for why you allow this.

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  53. mike
    12 years ago

    Keep up the entertainment, guys! The Euro pleas and cries for Gabe to stop telling the truth are hilarious. LOL

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  54. Michael
    12 years ago

    Ioannis “those Africans can jump so high it’s not fair” Bourousis

    These types of comments are extremely racist. There really is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for why this site allows that to go on here. It really is disgraceful discourse.

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  55. Stavros
    12 years ago

    lol – all these guys replying to Gabe under different names are the same person – the same troll who posts about Greek basketball on every basketball message board known to man.

    IP – 173.216.233.111

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  56. Mike
    12 years ago

    I think the site owner should immediately ban anyone that starts posting people’s IP addresses. That’s crossing into internet stalking and downright creepy.

    Is this vote over? Or is it still going on?

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Listen, you are the one that opened this can of worms by asking the moderator to ban me. It’s really the pot calling the kettle black for the king of all trolls, who is known as a troll and has been banned on various sites to be asking for someone else to be banned.

      I mean it’s one thing if you want to troll under different names and post provocative, absurd things, and even call people who don’t agree with you the “slime of the humanity” and whatever other personal insults you can hurl. But then if you get a taste of your own medicine and someone trolls you back and beats you at your own game you go crying to the moderator pleading for a ban, shows you are really mentally unstable.

      Looks like the troll got trolled!

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      • Ignore the fake PAO fan
        12 years ago

        KWSN-Men, your alias at interbasket is the single most hated account in the history of that website. For you, the biggest troll of that site ever, to call others “trolls” is truly priceless.

        All you ever do at interbasket, at Greek sites, and here, is bash, bash, bash two Greek players names Spanoulis and Bourousis.

        If you actually thought that anyone that visits European forums cannot recognize you, then you have some very strange ideas.

        You and your alter ego troll buddy “mike” (Arkadios) have ruined every single European basketball forum.

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  57. Cos
    12 years ago

    Hello gabe and mike!

    You’re both tools but I guess you know it.
    If euro basketball is so shitty, why do you follow it?
    Post on blogs that talk about it…
    What’s your deal? You out of work or something?
    I strongly advise you look for one quick.
    If you can’t, I suggest you watch the NBA or if you’re already watching all the games, try masturbating more. Anything but euro basketball I would say.

    Bye tools!

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Haha. You are right. I am out of work and spend the whole day on the computer looking for work so I post here as a way to procrastinate. Good guess.

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  58. Jack
    12 years ago

    So when do we get to see the new logo?

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