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Upset in the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament today: What are the chances?

July 6, 2012

Right, so BallinEurope has already publicly logged Official Fearless Predictions™ for the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament knockout stage in bracket format. Europe’s four representatives – group winners all – take on some decent African and North American competition, but nevertheless the bookies like an all-Europe final four in Venezuela.

Indeed, there’s a high probability that none of these favorites will be eliminated today. In Groups B and D produced a fair number of underdog victories in round-robin play: Venezuela over Nigeria, Nigeria over Lithuania, New Zealand over Angola, and (BiE maintains) Angola over FYR Macedonia. In contrast, the quite-predictable 2008 version of this tourney included zero upsets in round-robin play and really only one that might be called at least moderately surprise: Puerto Rico over Slovenia.

So which European teams should be worried about the upset today/tonight (tomorrow morning CET)? From least to most? BiE would say the list looks like this…

5. Russia
The pointspread on this game has Team Russia giving 19 points, and why not? On a tier with France (and thus third-best overall among teams still in Olympic contention) in terms of sheer talent, this side has gelled nicely early. No – scarily early, in cruising through laughers with South Korea and Dominican Republic. There may be upsets involving Russia before all is said and done, but not today. Completely informal estimate of Angola’s chances for upset: 0.1%.

4. Greece
With Team France hurting, here’s another side to keep an eye on in the long term. Greece looks fit and Olympiacos heroes – Vassilis Spanoulis, Georgios Printezis, Kostas Papanikolaou – haven’t missed a beat from Istanbul, accounting for 93 points and 23 assists, nearly half the team’s totals in the stats. As a team, Greece shot a crazy 58.1% overall, including 50% (!) on threes while running up a combined 205 points on Jordan and Puerto Rico. Nigeria looked brilliant against Lithuania, but Hellas is on a whole other level right now and might just sharpshoot all the way to the podium in London. Chance of Nigeria upset: 3%.

3. FYR Macedonia
The Cinderella story is over? Yeah, surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre. Not only did the Lions get a much-needed assist from New Zealand of all teams, they managed to torch the Tall Blacks well enough to land atop Group D and draw the Dominican Republic rather than Russia. The oddsmakers see this as the closest result, with FYR Macedonia just a four-point favorite and the Dominicans are just 7/5 to win.

Against New Zealand, FYR Macedonia took care of business in out-running and shaking the opposition, but were again destroyed on the glass, this time out-rebounded 43-27 – a cause for concern, BiE’d say, with Russia looming in the near distance. Sure, the Lions should handle this one, but thereafter, well, they may have to rely on Bo’s creed: “You never know what might happen.” Chance of Dominican Republic upset: 20%.

2. Lithuania
What can BiE say, imply or infer that wouldn’t cause further anxiety in Lithuania? Was the Nigeria game not a maddening exercise with Lithuania ultimately throwing away a winnable one? Didn’t the team’s studs – Linas Kleiza, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Jonas Valanciunas – look great? But where was the support?

Should BiE mention that Mantas Kalnietis and Jonas Maciulis went a combined 3-of-16 to hurt Lithuania’s chances, though both played with restraint in the cliffhanging fourth quarter? Or that Kestutis Kemzura’s rotations seemed a little odd, with Valanciunas getting just 23 minutes against a big Nigeria side? Speaking of, didn’t Maciulis look a tad haggard after playing 35 minutes?

And isn’t Puerto Rico the famed team of big upsets?

Nevertheless, chance of a Puerto Rico upset: 30%.

1. Nobody
BiE can’t see it happening, can you? Chances of all European teams advancing: 70%.

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Comments: 61
  1. Gabe
    10 years ago

    I see Dominican Republic beating FRY of Macedonia. Although I don’t really see that as an upset since DR is a better team, FRY of Macedonia is only 1-1 in this tournament and the haven’t faced anyone like Al Horford yet.

    The only upset I see happening is Angola beating Russia. On a bad day they can lose to anyone but when playing good they can beat almost anyone, except maybe the top 5-6 six teams, which Russia isn’t one. Russia hasn’t made the semi-finals of a global tournament is how long. But it would be an upset so I do see Russia winning.

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  2. Drake
    10 years ago

    Gabe, you are a very strange person.

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  3. Drake
    10 years ago

    Russia 80 – Angola 63

    Can we all tell Gabe to STFU now?

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    • adam
      10 years ago

      Gabe why do you hate Macedonia so much

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      First off it was: Russia 80 – Angola 65
      And if you look at my post I said I see Russia winning, just that Angola had a chance. It’s unfortunate that Angola choked against New Zealand or they would have faced DR and had a much better chance of making the semis. Oh well. At least they go away with a victory over a European team which would have been a lot more difficult in the Olympics.

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  4. Gabe
    10 years ago

    Nigeria 80 – Greece 79!

    Take that Apollo and all your sock puppets! Nigeria, the Bronze medal winning in African Basketball eliminates you from the Olympics!

    Long live Nigeria! Long live African basketball! And African teams are only going to get better.

    How’s Spanouilis and all those players from Euroleague champion Olympiacos do against African basketball??!!!

    Spanoulis one of the best players in the world? lol Maybe in the minor league of Euroleague but he couldn’t get his team past the African brone medal winners.

    hahahahahaha

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  5. Lokys
    10 years ago

    Just to be clear Gabe, Greece does not currently have one of the best teams in Europe. They finished 6th in Eurobasket last year. So the third place team from Africa squeaks out a 1 point victory over the 6th place team from Europe and the proves what? I’m happy for the African team (and i’d like to see more african born players play for their native countries instead of for spain or england) but this one victory does not somehow mean that now basketball in Africa is better than Europe. In the future, maybe but in the 2010 world championships 6 of the final 8 teams were from Europe (plus US and Argentina) in the Olympics in 2008 4 of the top 6 were from Europe (plus US and Argentina. China, and Australia made it to the quarter finals as the bottom seeds in each group.) I don’t know what the future will bring, but for now the US is by far the best country, and all the rest of the top countries in the world are from Europe (plus Argentina.)

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    • Phileus
      10 years ago

      I believe Gabe was responding to our friend Apollo, who claims that Greece is not only the best team in Europe, but probably the best team in the world.

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  6. G
    10 years ago

    So Gabe, your happiness lasted for only 2 hours? 🙂
    And while there was obviously a foul on Spanoulis three point attempt so refs basically stole the victory for Greece, Macedonia can blame nobody but themselves… Now Lithuania is left to try defend Europe’s honour… 😐

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  7. mike
    10 years ago

    Hey Gabe, you really nailed this one on Greece. You warned the Greek “lovers” that Greece is really not that good as compared to teams from the other regions, but you just got called a racist. Unbelievable.

    I remember comments in the past were the “lovers” couldn’t believe you would dare rank Argentina over Greece. Remember that? I guess we don’t even need the great Manu to prove them wrong. All it took were those racist “black guys” from Africa. LOL

    And please Lokys, no more apologies for European basketball. Greece is the no.4 team in the world according to FIBA. However, I will say they are clearly a declining basketball power at this point.

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  8. Lokys
    10 years ago

    Apologies for European basketball? What apologies? I gave only facts. In the past 2 world wide events Olympics and World Championships the top 6 teams were the US, Argentina, and 4 european teams. If you want to go back further it was the same at the previous Olympics, and the previous world championships (At the olympics Europeans took all 4 top seeds, but Argentina and the US took medals.) I’m not saying it will be true forever, i’m not even saying it will be true at this olympics, we don’t even know if 4 European teams will get in, but until demonstrated otherwise in international competition, it is fair for Europeans to consider themselves the strongest overall basketball continent. I’m not familiar with the comments you object to, if people were making derogatory or racist comments i’m not here to defend them. I was only speaking about the teams actual performances

    In terms of Greece’s ranking, i’m not sure what you’re trying to say that Greece is the 4rth best team in the world so Nigeria is even better than that, or that the rankings are stupid? The rankings go back 8 years, they include Greece’s silver medal at the world championships in 2006. That doesn’t mean they are one of the 4 best teams in the country now, in fact i believe very few people outside of Greece would think that. The rankings are what they are, a record of what a team did over the past 8 years, and they reflect that European teams have dominated over the past 8 years. (Of course the US really dominates everyone, but outside of them.) But that doesn’t reflect what a team (with many different players) is capable of doing right now, as demonstrated by Greece’s 6th place finish at the Eurobasket, and not making the olympics this year.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      No Lokys I do not believe that African basketball is better than European basketball. And I do not even believe Nigeria is better than Greece. I do believe that Eurobasket is the toughest zone competition too. But what I do not believe is that Eurobasket is tougher than the global competitions of the World Championships or Olympics as Nigeria and Dominican Republics victory showed.

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  9. mike
    10 years ago

    Okay Lokys, you are obviously not one of the “Flat Earth Society” Euros on this site. Believe me, there are a number of them, or perhaps just one person going on different names. It’s still a mystery at this point, but it may be a combination of both.

    I was only saying that Greece seemed to be ascending in world basketball starting in 2004, and peaking in 2006 when they upset the US in the Worlds, but losing to Spain without Pau in the finals. Me and Gabe have said that Greece has descended since then, and seems to be losing steam, but the Greek “lovers” have said that Greece is the best team in the world.Not only that, but that Spanoulis is a great guard who was treated shabbily with the Rockets.Revisionist history?

    So we actually agree in essence. Let’s see if Gabe agrees with you with regards to European teams lording it over other regions. I will say that other regions are downplayed oftentimes, and this win by Nigeria over Greece, and the very close game by PR vs Lithuania proves it. PR was this close to bringing down a perennial European power.
    Even NBA scouts have traditionally looked to Lithuania for new talents. Maybe it’s time they widened their search for new talent because the good news is that basketball is truly global now. From Africa to Asia, and to Europe, and the Americas.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Well maybe not Asia. Their teams played pretty bad. Let’s see how China does in the Olympics. They better at least beat Great Britain or Asia basketball has to be considered very weak.

      But I agree with Mike and although Europe has the most strong teams they are not that much better that the weaker European are better than the top teams from Americas and Africa. Take FYR of Macedonia, they were 4th in Eurobasket. There is no way they would do that well in the Olympics or World Championship. There were 1-2 in the Olympic qualifying tournament which of coarse is a lot weaker than the Olympic. BTW I should get some credit for knowing the FYR of Macedonia would lose to the Dominicans. This isn’t Eurobasket.

      And this should finally end the argument about how great Spanoulis is. There is a reason he didn’t make it in the NBA and it is the same reason why he couldn’t get past the African bronze medal winners, he is not that good. It’s one thing to be a star in Euroleague, the league where Kirilenko was the MVP, it is another thing to star in the NBA or the world stage. So Spanoulis met his match in Dagunduro.

      Nigeria!!!!

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  10. tuncer
    10 years ago

    %3 has happenned…. Amazing…..

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  11. mike
    10 years ago

    tuncer, obviously the site itself believes in Greece too much. 3% almost never happens. C’mon. I would have put the odds of Nigeria beating Greece at 30% coming in.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      No the upset was pretty great. No way 30% but more that 3%. I would say like 6%. But as for Dominican Republic beating FYR of Macedonia, that wasn’t even an upset. That is where this site shows it’s bias. FYR of Macedonia was lucky to even advance out of group stage and was the weakest of the quarter-finals team. Puerto Rico was unlucky in that they had to face Lithuania if it was Puerto Rico facing the Macedonians it would have been them advancing not the Dominicans.

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  12. Gabe
    10 years ago

    I would where Apollo, Drake, Dimitri are now?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTbHoJr8Fy8

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  13. mike
    10 years ago

    Gabe, I know where they are. Probably in their mom’s basement crying like that little girl, Spanoulis.

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  14. Gabe
    10 years ago

    Oh and for those of you who care this is going to drop Greece in the rankings since they were 5th in 2004 and now they are not even qualified. Still I don’t see any team catching them for 4th place. The only team that is close is Lithuania and they have to do better than 4th to improve so it is still a possibility if they can medal.

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  15. mike
    10 years ago

    Well, I won’t quibble with you over Nigeria’s chances, but remember the movie, “Miracle”, about the US ice hockey team beating the soviet Union in 1980.?The Miracle of Lake Placid. Well, the US coach had a speech before the game when he told his players,” if we played them 10 times, they might win 9 times but not tonight”. Well, 9/10 is a 10% chance, and that was against the mighty USSR. So you have to figure, Nigeria had a better chance than 10%, right? Whatever.

    I saw the re-run of FYR-MKd vs DR, and Horford was huge inside. You were right that MKD had not faced anyone of his caliber before that game. Who do you like with DR going against Lithuania? Russia should probably be the favorite now, I guess.

    Hey , where are the Euro guys? It’s lonely here. LOL

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Believe it or not mike I see the two European teams advancing. Then I actually see Nigeria beating DR. They are the Cinderella of this tournament.

      But if I had to pic an upset I would actually say Nigeria over Russia. Nigeria has shown they can play with anyone, except perhaps the big three -USA, Spain, Argentina, and Russia is due for a bad game.

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      • G
        10 years ago

        I wouldn’t consider Argentina among the big 3 or big any, given how badly they were beaten by Lithuania in 2010. They are good, but simply too old. Spain is also getting old, just not yet. Probably the championship at home in 2014 will be the last really strong Spain’s year… In fact if in Olympics there is going to be a group of death with US, LT, France, Russia and Argentina, I’d guess that Argentina will be the most likely to miss the quarterfinal…

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  16. Andrea Cavalli
    10 years ago

    “Flat Earth Society” Euros on this site. Believe me, there are a number of them, or perhaps just one person going on different names.

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    ahahahahahahahahah /WIN….it’s nice to see I’m not the only one who thinks it could be just one guy using different usernames. I’ve thought that several times myself. The tone those guys use in their posts is similar so yeah.

    Yo, Greece 😉

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  17. mike
    10 years ago

    Now, that would be a site, Nigeria over Russia. I will root against AK-47, the Euroleague MVP. Go Nigeria!! I sure hope I’m not accused of Afro-centric racism if there’s even such a thing. LOL
    Andrea, wake up the Greek Gods! Where are they? .

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  18. Phileus
    10 years ago

    I want to see Russia, Lithuania, and DR advance, simply because they are the three best teams left and the more competitive the Olympics are, the better! mike, there’s no reason to root against good European players, even Spanoulis for that matter, just because Apollo is insane. If you go to Interbasket, you’ll find far more reasonable Greek fans 🙂

    I thought it has always been obvious that Apollo uses sock puppet accounts (posing as Russians, Italians, Americans, other Greeks, etc.) to agree with himself. These accounts often only post once, and usually post after one of the other accounts has been proven clearly wrong about something (and then the lying/incorrect original poster disappears).

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  19. mike
    10 years ago

    Phileus, since the US is not playing, I’m looking for players to root for and against. That’s not illegal. I’ve said it before, Spanoulis is a decent player, but probably not good enough to be a starter in the NBA. I would love to see him get another chance in the league. We’ll see.
    The Ak-47 thing is just me rooting for an upset. I love it when the FIBA announcer goes nuts whenever he tries to describe the action(what his name Lian Cam, is it?) Besides, Spain is the main stumbling block to the US in the Olympics. I say Spain has a 1 in 5 chance of upsetting the US. I’m not really impressed with any other European team right now, and this tournament is proving this belief. Imagine if Rubio played.
    With Apollo, I never assumed that all those suspicious comments from different personalities were all just Apollo, although you’re right, they probably came from just one or two persons.

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  20. Lokys
    10 years ago

    Indeed I think i agree with most of your points, and as other countries start to play basketball more, and have better facilities/more interest I think we should expect the rest of the world to catch up to Europe, and Argentina (probably nobody will ever catch up to the US.) But i would disagree that the results of this one tournament or even olympics are proof of anything. Teams can have a bad tournament (or a good tournament) and that doesn’t mean they are a completely different team. It’s too bad the Olympics is only once every 4 years, i would love to see these international competitions more often (or competitions that lasted longer and included more games,) but i guess it would interfere too much with the players leagues.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      I guess you haven’t the bad news that this is the last Olympics with the best players. After this it’s only going to be 23 and under. Then the World Cup (every four years) will be the only competition with the best of the best.

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  21. Larry
    10 years ago

    [url]http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/98643/180/item[/url]

    Greece 79-80 Nigeria
    Nigeria stunned Greece 79-80 behind Ike Diogu and Al-Farouq Aminu to march into the next stage and send the favored Greeks home. The thrilling game went down to the wire and Turkish Airlines Euroleague Final Four MVP [B]Vassilis Spanoulis had a chance to win it at the buzzer, but Derick Obasohan blocked his shot on a controversial play, no foul was called and Nigeria celebrated.[/B]

    And here is the video documentation of several calls that the refs blew on purpose at the end of the game – some of them ridiculous, as they obviously wanted to eliminate Greece for whatever reason.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJu_9vh7EjE&feature=player_embedded

    I am an NBA fan of the Lakers, and I am from LA.

    I have to say that there is nothing worse than a fan that comes to bash on others and taunt them when their team was robbed by refs in a game that they would have won if not for the refs stealing it from them.

    I have read this site for years and never posted before. But this was too much.

    To all the world that reads this site, these a-hole jerks that are from the USA like Gabe and his buddies do NOT represent all of us.

    These guys took it to a new low that is creepy even. I apologize and I really hope that Europeans do not think all Americans are this big of scum bags as they are.

    Actually, I think I am going to email this site’s owner and have a talk with him about this.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      It’s Larry’s (Apollo’s) Nigerian nightmare!!

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  22. Larry
    10 years ago

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJu_9vh7EjE&w=420&h=315]

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  23. Larry
    10 years ago

    I am emailing the site owner and discussing him why he allows you Gabe to taunt every country and its fans from the whole world, even to taunt them after the refs stole a game from them.

    I think this site has gotten out of hand and something has to be done about.

    Americans are being disgraced around the basketball world because if idiots like you.

    Gabe I don’t care what you say, for you to be taunting and mocking the Greek fans after the refs stole a game from them is truly something that only a scum bag POS would do.

    You are a horrible person and all American basketball fans should be disgusted that you are here making everyone think we are all as much of complete douche bags as you are.

    I have had enough and this site needs to stop it from continuing.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Spanoulis “the great” will be watching the Olympics at home! The king of Euroleague gets his ass kicked by the FIBA Africa’s bronze medal winners!

      Nigeria bumaye! Nigeria bumaye!

      This game also showed how weak Euroleague is. The Greek national team is basically Olympiacos and they lost to a team filled with players from leagues all over the world. Spanoulis may be the best in Euroleague but that doesn’t mean much when he gets embarrassed in the NBA and with the Greek national team.

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  24. Phileus
    10 years ago

    I assume it is all the same person (like Larry) because (1) Apollo has a long and well-known history of doing that on other sites, (2) they use the same insane vitriolic language over and over again, and normal human beings do not talk that way, and (3) they never admit that they are wrong and that others are right. I don’t feel if I am wrong because either way, his/their insane views and lack of respect combined mean that he/they do not deserve to be taken seriously.

    And no, “Larry”, Americans are not ashamed by Gabe, even if I do not agree with him a lot of the time. At least he admits when he was wrong and is more open-minded than you are.

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  25. Gabe
    10 years ago

    Well the European teams won as I predicted and now it’s down to DR VS Nigeria. For either country it will be a great acheivement because neither has ever been in an Olympics, hell Nigeria has only been in two World Championships and DR has only been in one in 1978. I predict Nigeria winning this game.

    The world has really caught up to Europe since 2008 when all three spots went to European team with the only time a European team losing to a non-European team was when PR beat Slovenina in the quarter finals. This time the European teams lost four games to non-European team and a non-European team will be advancing over Greece and FYR of Macedonia.

    Yes my prediction wasn’t correct about it being Angola upsetting Russia but it turned out to be an even historically weaker African team, Nigeria, beating an even historically stronger European team, Greece. I also predicted that FYR of Macedonia would not be that strong.

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  26. mike
    10 years ago

    Spot on, Gabe! Did you see the interview with Doug Collin. coach of my Sixers, on NBA TV regarding the competition of the US after the announcement of the US team? DC mentioned that the Euro powers are not as impressive as 2008, except for Spain. I feel the same way? There’s really no one scary out there. Spain’s only chance is to get the US in a slow down game, and let there big guys with the Gasols, and Ibaka dominate the smallish front line of the US. How they will deal with Durant and Carmelo playing PF will be a bigger problem for these teams.

    Who is this new guy Larry, and why is he so sensitive about the Greek loss? Why is he so paranoid just like the weird Euro guys who think a conspiracy by FIBA, in an international conjunction with the NBA ,is afoot to not allow Greece into the tournament? For a fan of the Lakers, who’s like the evil empire in our beloved NBA, he is kinda sensitive to that loss by Greece. Could he be, in fact, Apollo? Stay tuned.

    Seriously, I checked the You tube video of the block on Spanoulis on the 3 point shot, and it looked pretty clean. The defender got all ball with the block, and then he got Spanoulis’ hand after the release, which is incidental contact. Besides, i don’t know about international rules, but in the NBA, the hand of the shooter is considered part of the ball. Right?

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  27. mike
    10 years ago

    Lokys, other regions are already making inroads with the European teams today, as Gabe has shown, and this tournament has highlighted that. With your point about the US, eventually other countries will catch up to at least be on the same level as the Americans. It’s inevitable if basketball continues to grow.

    Michael Jordan was asked in 1992 with the Dream Team if the US will ever be beaten in international play, and Jordan answered that in “10 or 15 years it could happen”. Argentina did it in 2002 in the Worlds. The more international players play in the world’s best league, the NBA, the more likely a country like Argentina, or Russia, could develop a small core group of special players that could challenge the US in a 5 or 10 year period. It happened in the early part of the 2000’s with Argentina, and Spain.

    One thing the US will dominate with for at least the next 30-40 years is the sheer number of talented basketball players. Think about it, the US could literally send 4-5 teams of NBA players that could conceivably compete for the Gold. If the US was allowed to send a second team in the Olympics, that 2nd team would be co-favorites,literally. Anyone disagree?

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    • Phileus
      10 years ago

      Four to five teams is stretching it, but yes, the US could literally send two totally different teams (for example, the 2008 squad and the 2010 squad) and they would be the top two favorites win it all. This shouldn’t surprising, though, given the high level of popularity of basketball in the US (probably third behind football and baseball, I’m guessing?) and the huge population compared to other countries like Lithuania. So though it’s not exactly a fair comparison, it’s definitely true to say that the US has by far the deepest basketball talent pool in the world.

      I can’t tell about the last shot in Greece-Nigeria. But the bigger problem is why Greece was in a position to lose to a team like Nigeria, despite shooting better, having much more individual talent, and getting more calls from the refs. It’s like Team USA after the 2002 and 2004 embarrassments: some players and fans will only make excuses (some true, some not) but maybe the NT organization will do a smarter job of finding what mistakes were made and correct them for the next international tournament.

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      • Phileus
        10 years ago

        I wanted to see more of Papanikolou because the Knicks drafted him (though maybe he will never go to the NBA). I don’t really know what potential NBA prospects to look for from the remaining qualifying teams. Valanciunas, of course. Maybe Shved?

        BiE writers, it would be nice if you wrote a preview post of potential future NBA players for us American fans to watch out for 😀

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  28. mike
    10 years ago

    Phileus, as they say in the US, if you have to rely on a call by a ref to bail you out, after blowing a 13 point lead, then you don’t deserve to win the game in the first place. Nigeria out hustled Greece especially on loose balls and on the offensive boards. Nigeria was also much more athletic. Greece will have to address those weaknesses.

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  29. Gabe
    10 years ago

    It also looks like Kirilenko and his CSKA teammates (sans Krstic) got the last laugh on Spanoulis and Olympiacos. The Russian national team is mainly CSKA Moscow players and the Greek National team is mainly Olympiacos. What would you rather do, win the championship of the 2nd top league in the world or represent your team in the Olympics.

    Russia is looking really strong. Third in Eurobasket and the only team not to lose a game in this Olympic qualifying event. In 2010, even without Kirilenko they only lost to the US by 10 in the quarter finals. They have a very good chance to medal or at least do better than the last Olympic where as Eurobasket champs they couldn’t even advance out of pool play.

    Also I predict the Nigerian nightmare to continue with Nigeria getting the last Olympic sport over DR.

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  30. Andrea Cavalli
    10 years ago

    This Larry character could EASILY be the same guy we were talking about yesterday. We shouldn’t rule that out. And the part about him being a Lakers fan, this could very well be an attempt to make his post more credible. Maybe he thinks that by saying he’s a Lakers fan from the U.S. we would believe him. So I’m not really buying that.

    Also, pay attention to this part: “To all the world that reads this site, these a-hole jerks that are from the USA like Gabe and his buddies do NOT represent all of us.”

    ^Isn’t it the EXACT SAME thing I was saying a few days ago? Only difference is that I said euro guys like Apollo etc. don’t represent all of us in Europe. This is quite funny lol.

    Plus, we all know that, unless the foul is really obvious, refs tend to let them play on the last possession. This happens at every level of the game, from the U.S. to Europe to Asia etc. So yeah, Greece should have never put itself in that position to begin with. I’m not going to shed a tear over Greece not playing in the Olympics.

    Team USA’s official roster: Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Tyson Chandler, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Andre Iguodala, LeBron James, Kevin Love, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams…….not bad, not bad at all. And this goes without even mentioning players like Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and several others I’m forgetting who are out because of injuries. Seriously, good luck to anyone who will have to face them. They’ll need it.

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  31. Andrea Cavalli
    10 years ago

    Again, why should a Lakers fan from LA being so mad over Greece getting eliminated by Nigeria?

    Hey, if next time you need to pretend to be from Italy, I can help you out choosing a few Italian names. Not necessarily the most popular ones 😉

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  32. Vincent
    10 years ago

    Glad to see Lithuania made it. Nice for a country where hoops is actually more popular than soccer to make it to the Olympics, and their fans are also awesome.

    I was wondering at this moment the Europe vs Americas debate. I really think it’s got to be pretty close right now, with the USA, Brazil, and Argentina all having medal chances. Obviously with the USA being the favorite for the gold.

    Don’t sleep on Brazil for a medal.. With a top class coach, and players like Nene, Splitter, Varajao, Huertas, Barbosa,etc.. and some young up and coming players developing, they could be a power on the rise.

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  33. Lokys
    10 years ago

    Indeed, i agree with Vincent, if my favorite team can’t win, I like to root for the team/person to whom winning would mean the most. I rooted for Canada to win the hockey gold in Vancouver, for Andy Murray to win Wimbledon. I take it everyone reading this blog cares a lot about their favorite teams/countires, but in general I think a basketball championship would mean more to the people of Lithuania than any other country. Other countries have other sports, other interests, in Lithuania there is only basketball.

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    • Phileus
      10 years ago

      Yes, I can’t help but respect them. It’s amazing that a country with a population the same as Oklahoma has been able to compete at or near the world’s top level seemingly forever. Of course I don’t want them to win the gold over the US, but I do hope they medal 🙂

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  34. Basketball Coach
    10 years ago

    I have never seen so many assholes posting in one place before in my entire life.

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    • Phileus
      10 years ago

      Thanks for your valuable contribution, “coach” 😛

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      Congratulations to Nigeria on their first Olympics! This is the first Olympics in 40 years and only the 2nd one ever with two African nations. Remember this is Tunisia’s first Olympics too.

      And Nigeria will be in the group with China and Great Britain so they have a good chance of being the first African nation to get out of group stage in the Olympics.

      People posted that I was crazy and should be banned for saying that Angola might upset Russia for the last Olympic spot. Well I was wrong about the specific countries but I was right about an African team (and Angola is really a better African team than Nigeria) taking the place of a European power (Greece is really a better European team than Russia). So I think I deserve some credit.

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  35. mike
    10 years ago

    Okay, Gabe. Let’s talk a little US team roster. Don’t you guys think the US is a little smallish on the front line? I agree that Brazil could be a factor. I remember Brazil losing by a point to to the US in 2010.

    I don’t think much of Russia or Lithuania, but I agree Lithuania is worth rooting on for a medal. Spain is looking better everyday the more I think about it. They’re good inside and outside. Ibaka could hold in check penetrations in the paint by the Americans.I’m not saying Spain will win, but they pose a threat.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      I’m not worried about the US frontline. They have the NBA defensive player of the year as their center and two of the best power forwards in the game. Plus in FIBA play the US could play a PF at the center position and put one of their 4 SF (Durant, Lebron, Iguodala, Anthony) as PF which they did when they won in 2008 & 2010. Remember in 2010 they won with Odom as their starting center.

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  36. Lokys
    10 years ago

    The US is clearly a step above everyone, but in just one game if some team gets on fire from 3 I think any of the top teams (France, Argentina, Lithuania, Russia, Spain, or Brazil) could take down the US. Spain might also be able to take down the US by getting them in foul trouble. The US doesn’t have a lot of big men so if the Gasol brothers can pound it down the US’s throat and the refs cooperate they could take down the US. Also from what i’ve seen Nigeria and Tunisia are both in the same group with the US, Lithuania, France, and Argentina. Tough group, the other group is definitely weaker.

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    • Gabe
      10 years ago

      The group is even tougher than that because it is Russia and not Nigeria in that group. One very good team will not even make it out of pool play in that group. While in the other group one weaker team, either China, Great Britain or Nigeria, will make it out of pool play.

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      • Gabe
        10 years ago

        No, you’re right and I was wrong. I thought I read somewhere that they were going to put both finalists from the qualifying tournament in the US’s group but I was wrong. They put in Lithuania and Nigeria. So it looks like the teams that will struggle to get out of group play with be China and Great Britain in one group and Nigeria and Tunisia in the other. Yet with Tunisia and Nigeria both in the same group it looks like an African country will win at least one Olympic game, something Angola has not been able to do for a long time, if ever.
        Group A Group B
        1. Spain 1. USA
        2. Australia 2. Argentina
        3. China 3. Lithuania
        4. Russia 4. France
        5. Brazil 5. Nigeria
        6. Great Britain 6. Tunisia

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  37. mike
    10 years ago

    I can’t see Lithuania,Russia, Argentina or France winning over the US this time around. I say it’s possible for Spain or Brazil to upset the US with Spain having the best chance. It would still be a monumental upset because it’s really hard to imagine Durant, Lebron, Kobe, and Carmelo shooting blanks for an entire game. However, you know what they say, the ball is round, and anything can happen on any given game. Stay tuned.

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  38. Jonas
    10 years ago

    vow, so many comments. Guys, some of you should get real – yes, the world is catching up to europe and argentina (maybe brasil too, lets leave usa for now, they are out of almost everyone’s league, sadly). but, let’s be fair – asia still is no good and no one knows when will they be any good, china even with yao was far from being competetive for medals, yes, they advance to all olympics and world cups, but there simply is no competition in asia apart from iran, which is also far from being a powerhouse. The same goes for africa, I really rooted for nigeria, they are quite good and they got lucky to get into group B in the olympics, but only time will show is this was a month long dream come true or their team finally is competetive (I hope it is). Apart from them, who else is there in africa? tunisia? that’s probably it, angola is ok, but they are old and they dont have any at least mediocre big men, all the other teams would be cannon fodder for most of the european teams. and mike, are you from brasil? seriously, brasil beating usa with what? yes, they have 3 nba players, but I really dont think that brasil is any better than france, lithuania or argentina

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  39. mike
    10 years ago

    No Jonas, I’m not from Brazil, I’m American and a big Sixer fan. Anyway, about Brazil, it’s just a gut feeling of mine. In 2010, Brazil gave the Durant led B team a tough time in the Worlds losing by a point. This time around they have Nene and Tiago inside which is the US vulnerability. On the perimeter, they have Barbosa and this guy Huertes(Am I spelling it correctly?), who can get hot on a given day.

    I admit it’s still a stretch, but we will see. I just think France will rely on Parker, but the US can sic Iquodala on him or Westbrook. France has no inside game which will favor the smaller Americans. Same with Argentina, who will rely on their back court with Manu and Delfino. Against Kobe, Williams, Paul, Westbrook, forget it. Lithuania, I’m sorry, Jasike is too old and too slow to do any damage. If Toronto’s Valencunas can show his potential, then maybe. Kleiza is a choker.

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    • Jonas
      10 years ago

      huertas I think, but not too sure. If you think westbrook can close parker why shouldnt he do the same with huertas, who’s much slower (though a better 3p shooter)? there is varejao too (or is he injured). yep, usa may have some problems up front, but still, chandler defensively is much better then splitter or nene, plus you have much more freedom with these freaks of nature like lebron who can play 1 to 4, mello 3-4, none of the other teams in the olympics have guys on 2 and 3 spots that would have that combination of height, athleticism and just pure muscle. Yeah, sadly, I have to agree about our team, we may give a good fight on a very good day, there’s more to the team than the very old and the very young though, we’ve always been about team effort, not one or two guys. Jasikevicius is living through his second youth during the last 6 months 🙂

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      • Gabe
        10 years ago

        I think mike is scared of Brazil because they have matched up well against the US recently. As mike said in 2010 they were the only team to challenge the US, losing by two points when every other victory was by double digits. Plus this was withouth Varejao and Nene and a Brazilian team that placed 9th.

        Even in 2006, a Brazilian team that placed 19th, gave the USA fits in a friendly, losing only by 4 points. The US’s closest game that year as well (until of course they lost to Greece in the semi-finals)

        I think the US has trouble with speedy, NBA level guards who can handle their pressure, which Brazil has two in Barbosa and Huertas. And looking at the groups Brazil might be the US’s first opponent in the quarter-finals! Gulp!

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  40. mike
    10 years ago

    Gabe, you pretty much summarized my thoughts on Brazil. Jonas, so you’re Lithuanian? I have to say I admire your small, but basketball hungry country. You have a wealth of basketball talent including the Hall of Famer, Arvydas Sabonis, one of the great centers in history. Had he played in the NBA when he was healthy, he would have dominated. Even when he was broken down in his later years, he still played well with Portland. Good luck to Lithuania!

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