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Vlado Ilievski: FIBA partly to blame for FYR Macedonia defeat

July 10, 2012

How do you say “sour grapes” in Macedonian? In looking for reasons for his side’s loss to Team Dominican Republic in Olympic qualifiers, Vlado Ilievski sounded off on FIBA organization itself.

“Teams from South America had more time for preparation,” Ilievski is quoted in FYR Macedonia-based Dnevnik. “They played in continental championships and were [in sync]. We had players whose seasons ended on June 15. I was injured and I was with the team for just 10 days. How can you prepare in such a short time? This is no excuse for losing, but at least we tried. We had a chance to become the first team from Macedonia to play in the Olympics and so we are disappointed. If we’d won, we would have had two more chances, but life goes on. Thanks to this generation [of players], the world knows about Macedonia…”

Ilievski was not alone in his concern about this year’s international schedule. Recall how LKL and PBL officials shortened their leagues’ seasons to provide potential Team Lithuania and Team Russia players some downtime before hitting the road to London. (Maybe it’s no coincidence these two sides will play Olympic ball, eh?) FYR Macedonia’s domestic league, in which six national team players were active in 2011-12, ended on May 2 – plenty of time for these guys at least.

Plus, BallinEurope hasn’t heard any griping from Team Greece, a side surely equally as shocked as FYR Macedonia in the qualifiers and given an equally (short) time to gel with key players on hand. So maybe things weren’t exactly properly done in Lithuania, but if Greek League officials had similarly shortened the season, wouldn’t Team Greece be booking tickets to London now?

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Comments: 51
  1. mike
    13 years ago

    Nope, not a valid excuse, and to Ilyevski’s credit, admits it. This is really the price you pay for having to go to a qualifying tournament. Going into your regional tournaments, all teams knew, if you lost, you would have to go to a qualifying tournament which FIBA can schedule anywhere in the world. So it’s fair. I’m sure other teams in the past, who made it into the Olympics, had to travel great distances and were inconvenienced also.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      He’s not complaining about where the tournament was. (No one would actually believe that every tournament has to be played in Europe) He’s complaining about when it was played. It ended three weeks before the Olympics start. Maybe it could have been moved up a week or two. If Team USA had to play in it (an unlikely event) than the players in the finals (which would have been 3rd of the team) would have only had one week to prepare.

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  2. Michael
    13 years ago

    Sounds like some people always have to blame everyone else but themselves when they fail.

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  3. Phileus
    13 years ago

    “Plus, BallinEurope hasn’t heard any griping from Team Greece”

    … BiE staff is surely flame-baiting our favorite commenter? 😛

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    • Os Davis
      13 years ago

      @Phileus: BiE swears no baiting was intended. However, the thought had occurred that the remark would trigger comments … i’m waiting for the link to the Greek player griping, actually. I can’t believe it hasn’t happened yet…

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      • Gabe
        13 years ago

        I did hear that the Greek coach was gripping during the press conference. Every question he was asked he bought up the refs. I would love to hear some info about that.

        @Os Davis: I would think in a game that this website gave Nigeria only a 3% chance of winning must be such a historic upset that it would deserve it’s own article?

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  4. Lukas
    13 years ago

    I watched all of the games. Both Macedonia and Greece were clearly robbed by the refs of the Olympics. Even more troubling though was how Nigeria had the 70-30 or 80-20 advantage from the refs in all of their games.

    Something very fishy went on.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      It;s funny how you made up these arbitrary numbers but the facts are in the Greece/Nigeria game Greece was called for 5 less fouls and shot 8 more free throws. Hardly a 70-30 advantage from the refs.

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      • Phileus
        13 years ago

        So Greece’s unimpressive crunch time defense (against a team that apparently only knows how to run iso’s) had nothing to do with the loss?

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  5. kappa
    13 years ago

    Calling “it” Macedonia in every sentence doesn’t make it true, Ilievsky. Get a life and your own history for a change…

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    • Ethnic Macedonian
      13 years ago

      Kappa I have three things to say you: Republic of Macedonia, Republic of Macedonia and Republic of Macedonia.

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      • BHLvul
        13 years ago

        Shame on you.
        Stealing our history and identity.
        I am from Salonika and i am Macedonian.
        You are just a thief!
        I wil call you macedonian when you will be able to read me something that was written in ancient macedonian…you can`t because it is all Greek.
        Slavs that arrived in europe at 600 A.D calling them self Macedonians…..
        pfffffffffffffff

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  6. James
    13 years ago

    I was shocked when I saw the result of the Nigeria and Greece game but I must say that I am even more shocked that they haven’t been very vocal in complaining about it. I guess the Greeks have enough problems as it is in their country that losing a basketball game isn’t a big deal to them anymore.

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  7. Mika
    13 years ago

    Greece was robbed without any doubt. It was blatant stealing of the game by the refs. I think the reason why they didn’t bother to complain as because they are used to it.

    Every time I see Greece and Spain play the refs always help Spain and they have stolen 2 games from Greece against Spain.

    I think Greece is used to it. They know that FIBA does not like them.

    The same thing happens to my Croatia team and the same way, they just started getting used to it after awhile.

    For sure though, if Team USA was ever treated the same way by the refs as Greece was when they played Nigeria, then there would be some kind of international incident. Nigeria being invaded would probably even be an option.

    I am sure that every official and ref that was involved in that tournament would be fired if Team USA ever got treated that same was by the refs as Greece was in that game.

    If I was one of the Greek players I think I would just quit the national team in protest and never play again, that’s how obvious of a fix that game was.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      So here come the excuses. Funny to blame the refs when Greece was called for 5 less fouls and shot 8 more free throws. If Greece hit over 60% of their free throws it would have been a different story, but no blame it on the refs.

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      • Phileus
        13 years ago

        Actually, Apollo, Team USA experienced the same, or worse, feeling of being cheated in the 2004 Olympics. Sure, fans and players complained about the referees afterwards, just like you are doing now. Luckily, though, the smart NT organizers realized they had put together a loser team, and re-organized the team, changed the coaching staff, and instituted a better system to maximize Team USA’s potential.

        If you’re lucky, your NT organization will do something smart now, instead of just childishly bitch about things like you will probably do until the end of time. And honestly, if your team was given such a free-throw advantage by the refs yet still lost to Nigeria – which has some of the worst assist rates I’ve ever seen – well, your team wasn’t going to make it very far in the OIympics anyway.

        In other words, you have long-term problems you should be worrying about instead of whining about conspiracy theories or whatever it is you like to do.

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        • Phileus
          13 years ago

          Also, to continue the comparison:

          “If I was one of the Greek players I think I would just quit the national team in protest and never play again, that’s how obvious of a fix that game was.”

          Tim Duncan did that after the 2004 Olympics, for exactly that same reason 😛

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  8. mike
    13 years ago

    yeah, Greece got cheated. Hey Mika, do you have any theories why FIBA hates Greece?
    Could it be your food? FIBA obviously likes burgers and fries since they favor the US. What do you think?

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  9. Leo
    13 years ago

    Greek Federation gave some media interview.s……

    said that it was obvious that Spanoulis was fouled and that the refs favored Nigeria said didn’t even care because they had much bigger issues with what the players reported about the coach……

    It was “scandalous” and “outrageous”, and they probably “lost on purpose” because the coach had an alternate agenda.

    Anyway they say that they are outraged by the behavior of the coach and that he will be fired and reprimanded.

    So that is why Greece’s federation is not complaining about the refs. They say the refs stole the game but they are more concerned with the stories from “sources” in the team that they lost on purpose.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Why would they lose the game on purpose?

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  10. Leo
    13 years ago

    oh and I forget to say Greek coach Zouros did give several interviews where he said refs stole the game. So it is not true that none from Greece said it. He said in every interview that refs stole game and he said they had count 25 more miss calls by the refs against Greece in the game with Nigerians.

    This means 25 more calls were missed by refs against Greece than were against Nigeria. This from the review of the game tape by the Greek coaches and officials.

    So yes Greek delegates did complain but it is just ignored in English speakers medias.

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  11. Leo
    13 years ago

    The federation says the players told them the coach wanted to lose on purpose so he would not have to coach at the Olympics and lose his chance to negotiate with teams to sign a new contract.

    He was trying to keep his job with Efes (2nd biggest budget team in Europe) or get a job with some other Euroleague team and ask for much money.

    So he wanted out of the Olympics so that he could be free to interview with teams. If he was in Olympics then he would not be able to do any interviewing and all the good jobs will be gone by time he could.

    His contract of 2 years with Greece was to end as soon as Greece would be eliminate from the competition so this way he could get all his money from Hellas federation and then go right to interview with teams for jobs.

    They say the players even told him he did not take 3rd center on the team to help them lose and that he benched two rotation players Vasileiadis and Fotsis to help them lose.

    It was say that Vasileiadis and Fotsis were with injuries but the players of the team deny it and told federation they were put on bench just help the team lose.

    Same way they say team only took 2 centers so that the centers could not play any defense all game or they will foul out and then there will be no center. They say they were tell by coach “do not play defense” because of this.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      If that’s true than it’s just insane. Wouldn’t the coach also think that not being able to reach the Olympics with Greece would hurt his coaching reputation? I’ve never heard of a team’s coach sabotaging his own team. It just sounds too outlandish to be true.

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  12. Aros
    13 years ago

    Zouros told federation and media that Fotsis was injured and so he could not play him more than a few minutes.

    After the players and assistant coaches got back they talked with the federation and said that was a lie. Fotsis was not injured and that this was a lie to say he was injured.

    Instead he was told he was not going to play without reasons explained to him he was being saved for a later time and they must say he was injured.

    The federation applauded Fotsis for not going to the press during the tournament to cause more problems in the team.

    So there is something really crazy with what happened.

    He did same with Vasileiadis and he simply told Vouyoukas to go home. “We don’t need 3 centers” was his plan.

    Greek centers Mavroeidis and Bourousis say they were told “do not play any defense or you will get in foul trouble since we only have 2 centers”.

    The press is told “since we only could have 2 centers they could not play defense to guard the basket or they would get in foul trouble and be out of the game”.

    But he tells the third center “go home because we don’t need 3 centers”.

    Then he says he is taking Vasileiadis instead because “we need a great shooter and not a third center”.

    Then tells Vasileiaids he will not play because he is saving him for later……….

    Do you really think any of this makes sense or is normal?

    The federation is imply that the assistant coaches were starting to report to them early in the tournament that something is wrong and Zouros is trying to sabotage the team.

    Whatever the case is either Zouros wanted out of having to go to Olympics and he gets paid one way or another, or he is worst coach ever. Worst coach ever does not make sense considering miracles he worked when he was in Panellinios. How he took team with such small budget to top 4 of Greek League and Eurocup, which are both in top 5 best leagues in Europe.

    This is very hard to do with such a small budget as Panellinios had which I think was something like 3 million euros.

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  13. Gabe
    13 years ago

    Since BiE is not reporting on the Greece-Nigeria upset here is a report I read from FIBA.com’s Jeff Taylor”

    “Greece coach Elias Zouros could have taken the high road and congratulated the Africans.
    He could have pointed out that Nigeria hit a series of clutch shots in the fourth quarter, or recognized that the national team had given an entire continent its greatest moment in international basketball history.
    He could have mentioned the name Ade Dagunduro, the architect of his team’s demise, and maybe wished Nigeria luck in its remaining games.
    Instead, the coach who’s heard nothing but praise for most of his career, a former Eurocup Coach of the Year, railed against the referees and said his players had been robbed.
    It was uncomfortable listening to a man in his position be so ungracious in defeat.
    Zouros wasn’t the first coach to adopt a negative tone in a press conference, and he won’t be the last.
    My only advice to him is to spend some extra time in practice coaching the art of free-throw shooting because Greece’s 17-of-28 showing at the line was horrendous and costly.
    Maybe Zouros can volunteer and do a coaching clinic in Nigeria at some point in his career.
    Maybe then he’d appreciate the challenges that that country faces to be successful in sports.”
    Well said Jeff!

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  14. Richard
    13 years ago

    Jeff Taylor sounds like an arrogant douche bag.

    He had an up close personal view of Spanoulis getting hammered and no whistle being blown.

    Then he is going to bash a coach for simply complaining about a clearly blown call by the refs that cost his team an Olympic berth?

    Jeff Taylor must be a real prick.

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      No Elias Zouros sounds like a real prick. It is one thing complaining about one blown call with 2.6 seconds left in the game. But from what I heard the whole press conference, and every question, Elias Zouros was complaining about the refs. I mean have some dignity in defeat. Imagine if in 2006 Coach K spent the whole press conference complaining about the refs? No congratulating Nigeria on making their first Olympics?

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  15. Gus
    13 years ago

    gabe everybody knows that the only reason ur happy nigeria upset greece is because that is less competition for USA.nigeria in their wildest dreams would beat america and u know it. greece on the other hand matches up better with usa . people like u would like a complete fiba revolution so teams like spain,argentina,brazil,greece,serbia & p.r the teams that have actually beat america dont make it and these clown national team like nigeria ,who are really americas b team , 10 nigerians were born in america of nigerian descent. what a joke!!!

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    • Gabe
      13 years ago

      Now people’s true colors come out. People are so happy when the US gets upset but when a country like Nigeria pulls and upset they are called a clown team. Nick Calathes, Kostas Koufos, Michail Bramos were all born in America of Greek decent yet no one comments on that. At least all of those 10 players were of Nigerian decent, not like Spain with Ibaka who lived (gasp!) a full two years in Spain in between Africa and the United States or Bo McCalebb (who I don’t understand his connection to FYR of Macedonia at all. As far as I know he never even lived or played there and certainly is not of Macedonian descent. Did FYR of Macedonia just randomly select one of the best Americans playing in Europe and offer them Macedonian citizenship?)

      Perhaps people should be happy for a nation that has suffered so much and is still seeing violence and where people live in poverty which countries like Spain, Argentina and Greece, etc… could not even imagine, make their first ever Olympic games.

      But you know, who really cares what sore losers like Elias Zouros, Gus and Richard think. Cry me a river! The important thing is that the Nigerian Lions, with their country of 170 million behind them, will compete in their first ever Olympic basketball and have given great hope and pride to the followers of African basketball.

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  16. mike
    12 years ago

    Gabe, what I can’t figure out is why this site didn’t even have an analysis or a report on Greece’s loss. You have said that it was a monumental upset, perhaps(3% chance supposedly, right?), so why doesn’t the site do a report on what the European media and others are chattering about the loss. Who is being blamed? The coach? The players? Let’s see the aftermath, that should be interesting.

    When the US lost in 2004, there were a ton of reports on the arrogant NBA players and team USA officials who haphazardly put together a dysfunctional team that couldn’t shoot . This is what I was expecting.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yeah you would think that such a big upset, which this website predicted would have a only a 3% chance of happening, would deserve some coverage. Europe’s 2nd best team, being eliminated by Nigeria, the 1st time ever an African team has won a playoff game in a global competition. Not only was Greece the last team to beat the US but they are basically made up of Olympiacos, the Euroleague champion while Nigeria has one NBA role player and all the other players are in leagues “weaker” than Euroleague. Not only does this show the rest of the world catching up to European teams but it shows that leagues like Baloncesto Superior Nacional (BSN), Basketball League Belgium (BLB), Liga Portuguesa de Basquetebol and the Ligue Nationale de Basket (LNB) is not much behind the top teams of Euroleague.

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  17. Gus
    12 years ago

    Exactly my point Gabe . how convenient that you root for these limited national teams . You know they couldnt beat USA so you like them . I take it u dont like Spain,Greece,Argentina,Brazil,Serbia & Lithuania. no you fear us because you know that when your arrogant premadonnas nba american players dont bring it and are looking down on us we will and have kicked ur ass!!!! you are underestimating us again . talking trash and predicting blowouts. I GUARANTEE USA WILL NOT WIN GOLD THIS YEAR !!!! take that gabe and you arrogant american so called experts. Now mark cuban wants to destroy fiba and make it an nba brand ? we wont have it !

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    • Phileus
      12 years ago

      Actually Gabe is well-known for over-estimating teams like Argentina and Brazil. Lithuania is well-respected here (mostly because of the legacy of Sabonis). The casual Team USA fan will look at Spain as a natural rival, though some would say this is only because we are blinded by the NBA star power on the team despite the fact that probably their best player from 2008 (JC Navarro) is coming off a slump of a season.

      Serbia? Greece? Please. We only worry about teams that qualified for the Olympics. You’re right – nobody in the US is worried about losing to Nigeria. But nobody was worried about losing to Greece, either. That might be unfair, but the reality is that Euroleague players have almost no recognition among casual basketball fans here (the vast majority of Team USA fans), and so teams without NBA presence tend to be ignored.

      But to be honest with you, Gus, the real reason everyone here seems to be happy that Greece lost is because the loudest Greek fan on this site is pretty unlikeable 99% of the time he posts 😛 If you go to sites like Interbasket, you probably know who I’m talking about. It’s a shame because there really are Greek fans who appreciate basketball more than flame wars.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Well I predict US will win gold this year!

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  18. mike
    12 years ago

    No Gus, we don’t underestimate these teams. I have said just a week ago on this site that Brazil poses a threat, and the US just beat Brazil in a friendly in Washington DC, with President Obama watching, by “just” 11 points. Brazil led by 10 in the first quarter.

    Spain will also pose a threat with their inside play featuring the Gasols and Ibaka on defense. Russia , Argentina, and France can compete with the US, but cannot beat the US. Lithuania probably is over matched if Saras has to play extended minutes. He’s just too slow at this point of his career.

    Bottom line really is that the ball is round, and on any given game or day. Other top teams with NBA players can beat the US with hot shooting, and if they can control the tempo(much easier said than done vs the US). It’s just one game, and upsets happen.

    Having said all that, the US wins the Gold. Gabe is right.

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  19. Jeff
    12 years ago

    Gabe, what I can’t figure out is why this site didn’t even have an analysis or a report on Greece’s loss. You have said that it was a monumental upset, perhaps(3% chance supposedly, right?), so why doesn’t the site do a report on what the European media and others are chattering about the loss. Who is being blamed? The coach? The players? Let’s see the aftermath, that should be interesting.

    When the US lost in 2004, there were a ton of reports on the arrogant NBA players and team USA officials who haphazardly put together a dysfunctional team that couldn’t shoot . This is what I was expecting.

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    Are you freaking serious? Because the refs stole the game from Greece. That’s why the site didn’t do a recap on it. I am starting to agree with the Euros here that some of you guys are on drugs.

    You expect the site to do a write up about praising Nigeria when the refs totally blew the end of the game? Get back to planet earth.

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  20. Jeff
    12 years ago

    eah you would think that such a big upset, which this website predicted would have a only a 3% chance of happening, would deserve some coverage. Europe’s 2nd best team, being eliminated by Nigeria, the 1st time ever an African team has won a playoff game in a global competition. Not only was Greece the last team to beat the US but they are basically made up of Olympiacos, the Euroleague champion while Nigeria has one NBA role player and all the other players are in leagues “weaker” than Euroleague. Not only does this show the rest of the world catching up to European teams but it shows that leagues like Baloncesto Superior Nacional (BSN), Basketball League Belgium (BLB), Liga Portuguesa de Basquetebol and the Ligue Nationale de Basket (LNB) is not much behind the top teams of Euroleague.

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    OMFG

    Did you just say the leagues like Puerto Rico, France and Portugal and Belgium are at the same level as the Euroleague.

    GOOD JESUS F>>>ING CHRIST

    I have thought that Apollo and some others here were trolls and that they exaggerated and lied about how crazy Gabe was……..

    I APOLOGIZE to them.

    Gabe is CERTIFIABLY INSANE

    He belongs in a freaking straight jacket.

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  21. mike
    12 years ago

    Hey Jeff, have you taken your medications lately? You seem a little high strung.

    Anyway, I don’t think Greece was cheated. I saw the game, and I don’t believe spanoulis was fouled on that last second shot. The Nigerian hit Spanoulis’ hand AFTER the ball was released, but I could be wrong. If there were other instances where Greece might have been cheated, then yeah, let’s have that discussion. Like I said in my post above, I want to see the aftermath. The cheating allegations, the refs, and all the excuses. Let’s bring it out in the open.

    That should be fun.

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  22. Jeff
    12 years ago

    You can see in the replay that Spanoulis’ arm was grabbed while he was shooting. So you are wrong. I am not saying any more on the matter because I don’t care. But I don’t like it when people like you just come here and clearly lie and say “he was not fouled” when in the NBA they call that a foul 100 out of 100 times.

    I’m not a Greece supporter so I don’t care to discuss it more than that. But it’s extremely low class and rude when people like you are bashing and making fun of Greeks that did come here to complain about it when you are plain as day lying. Because it was obviously a foul.

    So right there you show me you have a low character how you can come here and lie like that and then use it to make fun of others that are not lying. Just so you know buddy, that I see exactly what kind of person you are.

    Now about the Gabe claim that leagues like PR, Belgium, France whatever is that Portugal he is talking about or Argentina’s league too? Whatever.

    Put it on the record now mike. In the other thread you claimed the Euroleague was soon to be replaced as the second best league.

    So which league is going to replace it?

    Are you also so incredibly INSANE as Gabe?

    Tell me mr. genius, how the leagues like Belgium (one of the worst leagues in Europe), Portugal (f..cking kidding me – maybe the second worst in Europe), France (WTF kind of drugs is Gabe on, almost every year France has the WORST teams in Europe)

    Puerto Rico? I would not even put it at the same level as the freaking Polish League, where the best team in Poland was one of the worst teams to ever play in Euroleague.

    For the love of God.

    It’s incredibly insulting as a knowledgeable American about basketball to have to read this damn crap here from you morons and then see so many Europeans lumping all Americans in with you.

    Seriously, SHUT UP. You are a damn joke.

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  23. mike
    12 years ago

    Geez, my only point was I hope the site would have an analysis on the Greek-Nigeria game, and the aftermath on who the fans blame. Anything wrong about that? For an American, you seem to be so sensitive about this whole Greek/ Spanoulis thing. It’s almost like Spanoulis is your brother or lover.

    What I know about the euroleague now is that the core of their recent champion, Olympiacos, is the Greek NT, and the Greek NT lost to Nigeria, and didn’t make it to the Olympics. So how can Euroleague ball be top level? I mean if it was just one game, and then Greece came back to qualify in London, and then actually medals, then you can qualify it as a fluke, but this is not what happened.

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  24. Gabe
    12 years ago

    It’s funny. When in 2006 a team of Euroleague players eliminated the USA,a team of NBA stars, everyone was saying how it shows the Euroleague is close to the NBA in talent. Now today, when a team of players from the Puerto Rican, Portugal, Belgium and French league eliminated Greece, a team of the Euroleague champions, and we say it shows how those league are close we are called insane, a joke, etc…

    And about Spanoulis’ last shot. I personally feel it was a foul. His hand was hit as he was shootng. Still if you have to rely on a foul being called with 2.6 seconds left in a game you do not deserve to win. Even if the foul was called Nigeria played Greece even and either team could have won that game. The team which is basically the champion of Euroleague could not pull away from a team made up of one NBA scrub and players from PR, Belgium, France, etc…

    And I also personally believe a blown non-call is better than a foul called when there wasn’t one. Especially in FIBA play where there is more contact allowed and the refs are notoriously bad, you can’t complain about one non-call with 2.6 second left. Refs are part of the game.

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    • Sam Raphael Chadwick
      12 years ago

      Gabe,

      May be different in England but here if you get hit in the hand its not a foul…. Hitting the hand counts as hitting the ball, if its on the wrist yes its a foul but if it hand then its clean, obviously it also depends on how hard the player is hit…

      As for the Euroleague/NBA comparisons and how a Greek team beat a Russia team, its completely different, the levels of talent between the NBA and Europe are getting closer, but if you actully had Greece play Russia you would still expect RUssia to win no matter what the outcome of the Eurolegue final was…. Everyone expected CSKA to win the EL and everyone was shocked when they didnt… if you played the EL Final 4 VS the bottom 4 NBA teams I personally feel the EL teams would win every single game.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        Wow. Every single time? When the best players from the EL champion just lost an elimination game to a team with only one NBA bench player and not a single EL player? Okay. I disagree though.

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        • Phileus
          12 years ago

          That’s an interesting suggestion, Sam. But imagine if the Charlotte Bobcats excitedly announced: “Hey fans, we revamped our roster and have a new 1-2 frontcourt punch for the season: Andrei Kirilenko and Nenad Krstic! Get pumped! Also, we have Viktor Khryapa – remember, he played some years with the Bulls and Blazers? No? Nobody remembers? Well that’s not important, he’s back in the NBA as our sixth-best player!”

          Don’t you think Charlotte fans would be utterly unimpressed? My point is that a significant part of at least one top-4 Euroleague team is already NBA tested – and the results were not particularly inspiring. Any NBA team whose top two scorers are Krstic and Kirilenko is doomed to a miserable 82 games. Take away the CSKA prestige, the pride, the mystique, the fans, and plop the exact same players in a moribund franchise like Charlotte and it’s easier to make the comparison, in my view.

          Would they sweep a best-of-seven series against the Kings? I don’t think so, though they might win the series. Would they be much better than that over an 82-game season? That’s doubtful to me.

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      • Niko
        12 years ago

        Spanouli was not hit on the hand. He was hit on the arm. Actually no his arm was being held while he was shooting, on his shooting arm

        Maybe you did not see this, so you should look on Youtube and watch it before you make comments.

        Being held on your shooting arm while you are shooting is foul in every league in world.

        Also not “everyone expects Russia to beat Greece”. What are you talking about? Greece would be favored in any game against Russia if they had their full roster.

        UK fans are as delusional as NBA fans.

        Full Greek team is much stronger than full Russia.

        Besides fact Greece beat Russia 66-63 this summer and Greece played without Zisis, Fotsis, Bourousis, Spanoulis.

        Or that Greece lost on Russia on purpose twice and still took the games down to the wire even trying to lose.

        You overrate level of Russia’s players and team by a lot.

        This current Russia team does not even have a point guard on the roster. So unless they get Bykov back what exactly is impressive about them? Mozgov is a borderline scrub at Euroleague level.

        Besides Kirilenko there is no really good player on their team.

        Shved = zero basketball IQ

        And even Kirilenko is overrated because he is not capable of being more than a 3rd option on offense.

        You do realize Greece played Nigeria without Diamantidis, Mavrokefalidis, Koufos, Schortsanitis, Sloukas, Pappas, etc.? Not to mention that Spanoulis, Kaimakoglou, Fotsis, Mantzaris, and Vasileiadis were apparently all playing with bad injuries.

        Or that Zisis, Bourousis, Fotsis only had 2 days off from the end of their club teams play in Italy until they had to fly to Venezuela and they were dead tired.

        Greece that lost to Nigeria was half the best players not playing and the other half injured and/or exhausted from no time off after their club play and then making them travel to the other side of the world and play right away

        It’s good to know that UK basketball fans are just as nuts as the ones in USA are. Everything is “NBA” “NBA” “NBA”…………you people are a joke.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Listen you can’t make excuses about saying who was not on the team. USA is playing without Howard, Bosh, Rose, Griffin, etc…Some of the best players in the world. Just as the US can’t make those excuses in 2002-2006 neither can Greece make them now. You play with the team you have. I mean Nigeria played without Ime Idoka.

          Russia has also done better than Greece in 2010, 2011 and now in 2012 so presently they have to be seen as a better team.

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  25. mike
    12 years ago

    Exactly Gabe, but the silence on the Greek-Nigeria game is deafening. Did you see the reaction of Jeff(Apollo) on my observation that there should be coverage on the aftermath(weather it was the fault of the refs,players, coach, whoever) , and he was adamant that there should be no coverage. What is this communist Europe? With censorship. Wow, that was revealing.

    I hope the site itself will be more transparent and balanced in the future. If the US lost in London, I would insist on wall to wall coverage on the aftermath, and you can bet ESPN and the other networks will do that.

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  26. Goran
    12 years ago

    I am sick from reading this site.

    gabe and mike – I hope you both burn in hell.

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  27. Goran
    12 years ago

    This racist Afro supremacy stuff is disgusting. GTFO out of here.

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  28. Niko
    12 years ago

    Wow. Every single time? When the best players from the EL champion just lost an elimination game to a team with only one NBA bench player and not a single EL player? Okay. I disagree though.

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    WTF is wrong with you?

    Why the hell do you come here?

    Who the hell are you?

    GET OUT OF HERE

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  29. mike
    12 years ago

    Goranikoapollojeff, whoever you are. Just be contented being a non-Olympic playing basketball country with Greece. Now we know Greece is in decline . Spanoulis will have a lot of time on his hands watching the London games on TV and, during commercial breaks, he can be entertained by his toy boy, YOU. hehe

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