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EuroBasket 2011: Scenarios for Groups E and F (plus Official Fearless Predictions™)

September 5, 2011

Right, BallinEurope has spent a few hours with some of the brains behind heinnews and BasketNews.lt in an attempt to hash out the implications of today’s EuroBasket games vis-à-vis the next round of play. Today is the last game of the first round and, as far as we can tell, seven teams of the possible 14 have clinched spots in Groups E and F, plus an eighth essentially needs only to show up. As we see it, the following is the situation.

Group A
• Spain and Lithuania are in; Portugal is out.

• Poland advances with a win against Great Britain today.

• Turkey can advance with a win against Spain plus a Poland loss.

• Britain, incredibly for a team that didn’t even have a viable national basketball program at the beginning of the decade and just yesterday posted its first-ever win in a major international tournament, remains alive. However, they would need a Turkey loss plus a 57-point win against Poland, due to the point-differential tiebreaker.

Group B
• This one’s easy, at least. Serbia, France and Germany are in. Serbia and France face off today to determine which will bring a 2-0 record forward to Group E.

Group D
• We’ll get to Group C in a minute … trust BiE: That’s where things get ugly. From this one, Slovenia and Russia advance; like Serbia and France, these two will face off for group supremacy. This game is even more important, however, as the winner gets a big one-game advantage over any other Group F team by dint of a 2-0 carried-over record.

• Ukraine and Belgium are out.

• Georgia advances – in its first-ever EuroBasket bid, mind you – with a win over Bulgaria. Likewise, Bulgaria would advance with a win over Georgia, unless…

• …oddly enough, Bulgaria could still win and get knocked out of tournament. If Ukraine beats Belgium and Bulgaria wins, a three-way tie would be created to thus necessitate a 14-point win by Bulgaria over Georgia, due to that second tiebreaker.

• Unfortunately for these teams in any scenario, either Georgia or Ukraine will start Group F at 0-2, with both having taken losses to Russia and Slovenia.

Group C
• Ready for this? Here’s the easy bit: Montenegro has been eliminated.

• Greece is in with win and would take FYR Macedonia along with them, regardless of the outcome of the Macedonia-Bosnia & Herzegovina game.

• Finland – yes, Finland – is in if they win against Montenegro, plus Macedonia and Greece win.

• Bosnia & Herzegovina advances with a win over FYR Macedonia, plus a Croatia loss to Greece.

• Croatia advances with a win, plus a Macedonia victory.

• Now. If Croatia wins and FYR Macedonia loses, things get really sticky. This situation creates a logjam of four teams – Greece, Macedonia, Croatia, and Bosnia & Herzegovina – all tied at 3-2. As it stands, the point differential currently works out thusly: Macedonia, +16; Bosnia & Herzegovina, +3; Greece, minus-5; Croatia, minus-14. In this situation, one can assume that Macedonia still goes through – barring an absolute collapse – and Bosnia & Herzegovina would automatically get a spot with their positive point-differential, meaning everything would come down to the result of the Greece-Croatia game. Also, any three teams emerging in this scenario would bring a 1-1 record to Group F.

What’s that? You want the Official BallinEurope Fearless Predictions™? I thought you’d never ask. Okay, this is how BiE sees Groups E and F turning out…

Group E
Spain, 2-0
France, 2-0
Serbia, 1-1
Lithuania, 1-1
Poland, 0-2
Germany, 0-2

Group F
Russia, 2-0
Slovenia, 1-1
Greece, 1-1
FYR Macedonia, 1-1
Bosnia & Herzegovina, 1-1
Georgia, 0-2

Of course, we’ll know for sure in a couple of hours … games five coming up!

Sep 5, 2011ballineurope
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Comments: 11
  1. vinz
    13 years ago

    Poland would be 0-2 in the second stage.

    If Poland looses with less than 55 lol and Tureky looses too, who advances?

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    • Os
      13 years ago

      @ Vinz: Oops, error made about Poland. Now fixed. If Poland loses by more than 55 and Turkey also loses, Britain advances, twistedly enough. If Poland loses by a more respectable amount and Turkey also loses, Poland gets the tiebreaker and the advance.

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      • Os Davis
        13 years ago

        Actually, you know what? It’s not even 55, it’s 58.

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  2. mix
    13 years ago

    Good predictions, but you have been wrong before

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  3. vinz
    13 years ago

    so its 66% for Poland to advance. i cannot imagine Spain loosing. Poland can loose today but not with 58 points. Thats gereat 🙂

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  4. mix
    13 years ago

    Also, I don’t see macedonia 1-1. They had their fair share in this competition, I know, they have Bo, afterall I am Partizan supporter, but 2nd round is above their expectations. Georgia, however, is almost playing at home court. They could be the x factor team this competiton

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  5. Steve
    13 years ago

    Actually, if Poland loses in a respectable margin, Turkey advances even if they lose because then we’ll have a tiebreaker between those two plus Great Britain included. Turkey has a big win vs the Brits in their pocket.

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  6. Dzoni
    13 years ago

    yeah and they also have great lose of poland in their pocket 😉 if poland wins and turkey lose ,poland is advancing …

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  7. Konj
    13 years ago

    why would Serbia lose to France? everyone keeps underestimating us, but you keep doing that a few more weeks and we just might get the gold

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  8. koko
    13 years ago

    Regarding your explanation for group C case when Greece and Macedonia lose and mini group of four teams with 3-2 score is formed.

    In this case the first criteria is the scores between the teams in the mini group, and in that hypothetical situation that did not happen we would have had the following:

    Bosnia 2-1 (wins over Macedonia and Croatia)
    Macedonia 2-1 (wins over Greece and Croatia)
    Croatia 1-2 (win over Greece)
    Greece 1-2 (win over Bosnia)

    so Macedonia and Bosnia continue as 1st and 2nd and Croatia is 3rd because it would have beaten Greece, regardless of point differential.

    Since none of this came true it does not meter, but since it is likely scenario for group E I just wanted to explain for future references.

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  9. totoro
    13 years ago

    Very interesting tournament. I like the Euro style of basketball. The wall-to-wall athleticism doesn’t match the NBA but the passing and movement without the ball is better and makes for a more interesting style. I’m glad they’re showing it in the US on espn3 at least.

    I don’t follow the Euro scene too closely, so maybe this is a naive question, but doesn’t group E seem much stronger than group F?

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