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Touring bullets: Notes, links, videos on Euroleague American and NBA Live tours

October 5, 2012

Who cares if the games are meaningless in any real sense? BallinEurope missed the Euroleague American Tour and NBA Live Tour games tremendously in 2011 – one item doubtlessly on BiE’s list of underrated casualties of the player lockout – and is thrilled to see them back.

In just a couple of hours, the Boston Celtics and Fenerbahçe Ülker will tip off the first of eight games to be played in five days’ worth of international club clashes, as teams in both continents’ big leagues prepare for 2012-13 seasons. This evening, a few notes, links and videos for you themed on these tours; naturally, BiE’ll be doing this in the time-honored tradition of the ESPN TrueHoop Network, i.e. bullet-style. To catch tonight’s and the other games, head over to Euroleague TV.

• The Dallas Mavericks’ goal on their European road trip? To build team chemistry. Also, on Saturday in Berlin, Dirk Nowitski expects to seat some 100 friends and family. Loftily stated Dastardly Dirk, “I told the NBA for all the crap I’ve been doing for them for fourteen years they better hook me up with a bunch of tickets.”

• Turkish media meanwhile describe the Boston Celtics as “rejuvenated” before the 2012-13 NBA season – and Saturday night’s game in Istanbul against Fenerbahçe Ülker – tip off. Naturally, the spirit of ’08 is exhumed and – you’ll never believe this – Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce see lots of similarities between that team and the current edition of Celtics.

• Here’s a clip from the Celtics’ part in the 2007 NBA tour which Rivers calls the experience that which “brought the team together” to later take a championship title over the Los Angeles Lakers.

• Have the upcoming tour match against the visiting Celtics distracting Emporio Armani Milano? The Milanese dropped a 67-64 Serie A game to Virtus Bologna in game two of the Italian league regular season, despite quality performances from Malik Hairston (18 points), Keith Langford (13 points) and Ioannis Bourousis (11 points, 13 rebounds).

Italy-based Il Pallonaro points out that Montepaschi Siena, traveling to the US to take on the Cleveland Cavaliers and San Antonio Spurs, did not have the disadvantage of stiff competition as did Milano. Siena’s originally-scheduled game two against the just-promoted Brindisi was switched to October 26 in deference to the Euroleague tour and Montepaschi took care of business in that game to the tune of 92-65.

• Matt Janning reveals the primary concern on the minds of his Siena teammates: getting American stuff! “Most of the talk about this upcoming trip was about what everyone was going to buy and primarily, how many bags they planned on bringing back to Italy. Whether it be sneakers, candy, movies or the latest Apple products, there was a wide range of things discussed. The other hot topic was food…”

• Euroleague fantasy basketball guru and general man-in-the-know Javier Gancedo – soon to be guesting on a “Taking the Charge” podcast (end gratuitous plug) – interviews Real Madrid’s Sergio Rodriguez for the big league’s official site. Sergio plays down the significance of the preseason games a bit, but admits that his team wants to put on a good show in Spain.

• And without further ado, here’s FYR Macedonia hero Bo McCalebb and coach-of-legend Sergio Scariolo introducing the festivities. Let’s get the cross-continental party started!

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Comments: 47
  1. Andrea
    12 years ago

    I will be attending the Celtics game in Milan on Sunday. Cant wait.

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  2. Rick
    12 years ago

    Fenerbahce 97 – Boston Celtics 91

    NBA only fans:

    :But, but, but, but, NBA is like a gagillion times better than Euroleague”………….

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Dallas Mavericks 89 – Alba Berlin 84
      Memphis Grizzlies 105- Real Madrid 93
      San Antonio Spurs 106 – Montepaschi Siena 77
      Boston Celtics 105- Emporio Armani Milano 75

      So far it is 4-1 NBA. Pretty dominate.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        And also notice when a Euroleage team beats and NBA team it is a close game while the NBA team wins close games two but they also blow Euroleagues out of the gym. In the 8 games Euroleague teams have won against NBA teams this decade only 1 victory was by more than single digits, when CSKA beat the Clippers by 19 in Moscow in 2006. But as you see the NBA teams routinely hammer Euroleague teams by 20+ points, I mean just in these past two days the Spurs beat Monetpaschi by 29 and the Celtics beat Emporio Armani Milano by 30 in their own home court.

        But give credit to Euroleague. With Fenerbahce’s victory over Boston Euroleague teams actually had a two game winning streak against NBA teams (tied with their best winning streak ever). But before Barca beat the Lakers in the 2010 battle of champions the NBA had a 19 game winning streak against Euroleague teams. Yes NBA teams won 19 exhibition games in a row against Euroleague teams from October 11th 2007 – October 3rd 2010.

        That being said I think a Euroleague team has a chance for an upset in one of the last three games. The two home NBA teams Toronto and Cleveland are weak NBA teams and it will be the last chance for either Euroleague team to get a win on their North American tour. I especially seeing the Toronto/Real Madrid game as being a chance for an upset since Real Madrid has a 3rd of the Olympic silver medalist Spanish team including two players who played clutch time in the 4th quarter of the gold medal game-Fernandez and Llull, so they definitely know how to play against NBA players.

        And the Dallas/ Barca game in Spain could be an upset too. This decade ACB teams are 4-2 at home against NBA teams (accounting for half of Euroleague’s victories against NBA teams) and Barca is 2-1 at home against the NBA including their victory against the defending champ Lakers in 2010. Also Dallas won their last game against a Euroleague team so they will probably not bring the same intensity that the Celts bought against Milan. No NBA team has ever had a losing record in their Euroleague tour because that would be an epic embarrassment to be swept although the majority of Euroleague teams get swept on their North American tours.

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  3. Phileus
    12 years ago

    lolwut. Did you even watch the game? Here are some players who didn’t play the fourth quarter for Boston:

    – Paul Pierce
    – Kevin Garnett
    – Rajon Rondo
    – Brandon Bass
    – Jason Terry

    Any idiot would know that the Celtics (or any NBA team) don’t care about winning in the preseason. But you’re not just any idiot, are you? You’re our own special idiot 😀

    The game was used to bring Green back into the fold after his season out, and to test out the rookies. Sullinger looks okay, but Fab Melo looks just as bad as he did in the NCAA. It’s only one preseason game, but eh. I never thought anyone could expect much from him anyway.

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  4. mike
    12 years ago

    You know , most experts are predicting the Celtics to take the Atlantic Division, but I believe my Sixers will take it. Rondo is great, but are people forgetting how old Pierce and Garnett are? You have to think eventually, both these players will start the inevitable decline, and this could be the year.

    As for NBA Europe, I saw the game, and that MCaleb guy looks good. The Celtics color guy, Scalabrine, mentioned he was with the Bulls last season, but didn’t get any playing time. Sometimes it’s really the system that makes the player. There are a special group of players(the lebrons, the Kobes, the Garnetts etc) who will be good playing for any team in the world, but many are just borderline players, who are talented also, but given a system with a particular team, may or may not succeed. The Mcalebs, and maybe even the Spanoulis’ of the world. Way to start an argument here.hehe

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    • Phileus
      12 years ago

      Haha, Scalabrine’s the guy who barely got any burn with the Bulls, not McCalebb 😛

      McCalebb’s never been in the NBA as far as I can tell, but he’s got League-level talent for sure. I just couldn’t see any team making it very far just letting him doing what he does best, unless he were willing to be like a Jason Terry player. At this point in his career, I don’t see what the point would be of his joining the NBA.

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  5. mike
    12 years ago

    You’re right, and I was wrong about McCalebb. He didn’t have an NBA stint at all. It’s either Scalabrine was wrong or I didn’t hear him right. Bo is only 27, so don’t you think an NBA team without a good PG might just take that chance? It’s possible. He looked really quick out there, of course the Celtics were not exactly in game shape yet.

    My original point remains though. For the borderline talented players, systems are what determine a player making it or not. For example, if Spanoulis joined an NBA team that was committed to him playing the point, and surrounded him with complementary players, would he have made it ? Maybe, but would any coach do that knowing he may not win many games with Spanoulis as the point and making all the plays? This is why it’s intriguing seeing the borderline players on the other side of the pond in Europe sometimes answering our “what if” questions.

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  6. Gabe
    12 years ago

    Montepaschi Siena head coach Luca Banchi after his team lost to the Spurs by 29.
    “Then in the game we ran into challenges, but did a good job of overcoming them by adjusting our game a little to a level of intensity and athleticism that we were not used to facing.”
    Last year Siena was in the Euroleague quarter-finals but their coach explains that they are not use to facing the athleticism and intensity of an NBA team.

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  7. Mike
    12 years ago

    This Gabe is one of the creepiest individuals I have ever encountered on the internet.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Ha! I think this troll just exposed himself as being a minor. I mean if I’m literally “one of the creepiest individuals he has ever encountered on the internet” his parent obviously put parental controls on his access so he can only surf sports and weather websites!

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  8. mike
    12 years ago

    Hey “Mike”, are you my alter ego from another dimension? You must be the flat earth Mike from Bizarro world.

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  9. Vic
    12 years ago

    Gabe, in Europe there are anually three or four teams that could play in the NBA. These teams on a good day can potentially beat any NBA teams with mixed rules. But most of the other teams are far below that level and it’s very hard for them to upset NBA teams. Usually after half-time they give up, whereafter NBA teams make the margins.

    Also, NBA teams are more athletic. So in an unprepared stage, their talent and athleticism will dominate. However in later stages most well organised Euroleague teams will be a lot harder to beat.

    The last couple of years though. We’ve seen EL teams which have enough talent to play like NBA teams. Barca or CSKA comes to mind.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Speaking of being unprepared there is one real advantage Euroleague teams have in these exhibition games. The Euroleague teams have been playing together for weeks, in fact I heard that for many Euroleague teams the regular season has already begun (which is sort weird to have an exhibition game after you have played regular season games) by the time they play these exhibition games. But for the NBA teams their exhibition games against the Euroleague teams is their 1st exhibition game, meaning the 1st game they have played together as a team.

      This is something that the troll on this site never mentions. But even with that disadvantage the NBA teams still dominate when playing their 1st exhibition games against teams that have been playing together for weeks.

      And the troll says when the Euroleague teams come to NBA arenas the NBA refs help the NBA teams. While they called one more foul against Toronto than they did Real Madrid, in the Madrid Memphis game the calls were even and in the game where the Spurs beat Siena by 29 they were called for only 1 less foul.

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  10. mike
    12 years ago

    Vic, I don’t know. NBA teams that come over to Europe in pre- season games are in travel and leisure mode really.

    It’s possible that 3-4 teams could play in the NBA if there were mixed rules, especially 3 second defensive lane violation to cover up their lack of athleticism, but “in later stages”, NBA teams are peaking also, and players who lack athleticism are scouted better, and their tendencies are sorted out, and then suddenly it’s harder for them to score. This is what happened in international play.

    A good question would be this: Could any of these teams make the NBA Playoffs if the NBA played mixed rules? Strictly NBA rules, forget it.

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  11. Rick
    12 years ago

    I watched all of these games that were televised. The NBA is so overrated that it is mind boggling. No wonder the NBA is scared shitless of Euroleague’s idea for a world championship and keeps refusing to accept it.

    Seeing such a mediocre Euroleague team as Siena only lose to the Cavs by 5, and it was actually closer then that, even with the NBA refs doing all they could to help the Cavs win, playing under NBA rules…….

    Seeing Barca playing with old guys, some injured players, and a bunch of kids just dominate Dallas…………….

    The NBA is so overrated that in all honesty words cannot even describe it. If the Euroleague CEO had any brains at all he would demand that world championship and call the NBA out on it when they refuse it and force them to take it on.

    Because the NBA teams would get exposed HUGE in such a tournament.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      “Mediocre Euroleague team as Siena only lose to the Cavs by 5” There are only 24 Euroleague teams and 30 NBA teams. Last year the Cavs were tied for being the 3rd worst team in the NBA while Siena made the quarter-finals in Euroleague.

      “NBA refs doing all they could to help the Cavs win” by calling 4 more fouls on Siena. While then the refs really helped Greece against Nigeria by calling 5 more fouls on Nigeria and Greece still lost.

      “Seeing Barca playing with old guys, some injured players, and a bunch of kids just dominate Dallas” So 14 points in dominating? Then what would you call Houston’s 37 point victory over defending Euroleague champion Panathinaikos? lol And last year Barca won the third place game in Euroleague while Dallas lost in the conference quarter-finals meaning they were not even a top 8 NBA team and they played Barca without Dirk! Without Dirk the Mavs are probably one of the worst NBA teams.

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      • Nemesis
        12 years ago

        Siena is a very mediocre Euroleague team you freaking jackass.

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  12. Rick
    12 years ago

    Speaking of being unprepared there is one real advantage Euroleague teams have in these exhibition games. The Euroleague teams have been playing together for weeks, in fact I heard that for many Euroleague teams the regular season has already begun (which is sort weird to have an exhibition game after you have played regular season games) by the time they play these exhibition games. But for the NBA teams their exhibition games against the Euroleague teams is their 1st exhibition game, meaning the 1st game they have played together as a team.

    ———————————————————————–

    Feberbahce was together for one week before they beat the Celtics. You are a freaking joke.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I don’t know about that one team Feberbahce but the announcers continuous say how the Euroleague teams have already been playing before the exhibition. I know for the Spanish teams their season has already started. So before they play the NBA in exhibition games they have already played in games that have counted!

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      • Nemesis
        12 years ago

        That’s more bull shit lies and excuses. SOME of them have. Most of them have not started their season. You make up endless bull shit claims here. If one team had played a game, you claim all of them had.

        You are a scum.

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  13. Rick
    12 years ago

    Vic, I don’t know. NBA teams that come over to Europe in pre- season games are in travel and leisure mode really.

    It’s possible that 3-4 teams could play in the NBA if there were mixed rules, especially 3 second defensive lane violation to cover up their lack of athleticism, but “in later stages”, NBA teams are peaking also, and players who lack athleticism are scouted better, and their tendencies are sorted out, and then suddenly it’s harder for them to score. This is what happened in international play.

    A good question would be this: Could any of these teams make the NBA Playoffs if the NBA played mixed rules? Strictly NBA rules, forget it.

    ——————————————————————

    Could the Heat win the Euroleague championship? No, absolutely not. Forget it. No chance.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Could Olympiacos beat Team Nigeria? No, absolutely not. Forget it. No chance.

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  14. Nemesis
    12 years ago

    We have seen for years Gabe and his trolls claim that “Navarro isn’t good enough to play in the NBA” and also that “any NBA starer or rotation player would automatically be the MVP of the Euroleague”.

    Yeah sure, and that’s why an injured Navarro just completely destroyed O.J. Mayo……..yeah RIGHT.

    God these NBA only fans are freaking nuts.

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  15. Gabe
    12 years ago

    Hahaha You are such a joke. Proud of the the Euroleague’s 2-6 record against NBA teams. I mean I admit it”s something for a 2nd tier league to be proud of but if you really think Euroleague is anywhere close to the NBA than 2-6 is pretty pathetic.

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  16. mike
    12 years ago

    Rick.,Nemesis, you’re a joke! No sane person believes what you believe. Get out from your mom’s basement!

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  17. Nemesis
    12 years ago

    Rick Carlisle said Barca is equal to NBA teams…..read it and weep NBA only fans…….

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/wires/10/09/2030.ap.bko.barcelona.mavericks.1st.ld.writethru.0451/

    “Barca is a great team. I admire the way they pass, move the ball, cut and make screens. They had the advantage the whole game. Barca is an NBA team.”

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Yes the highest compliment that could be made to a Euroleague team, calling them an NBA team.

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  18. Locke
    12 years ago

    NBA teams are overrated. The Euroleague is better.

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  19. Johnny Angel
    12 years ago

    OMFG…………..

    Maccabi Haifa only lost to the Golden State Warriors by 8 points in USA? WTF?

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    LMFAO at NBA right now.

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  20. Andrea
    12 years ago

    I’m not even going to bother reading the comments because, from this quote “BallinEurope readers, who are using the round of exhibition matches to compare relative levels of talent and play”, I can already imagine what the level of comments is. I still remember some of the comments posted by some euro fans (and I’m from Europe- Italy- myself) a few months ago in the NBA Europe Live thread that were full of hatred, prejudice and ignorance, comments made by the most extremist fans who probably have not watched one single NBA game in their lives. All I’m going to say is: if it’s true people from the European side (the most extreme euro fans, that is, the ones who are only about the Euroleague and hate the NBA, a very vocal minority it should be noted..most euro fans such as myself love the NBA) are talking about levels of talent and play by basing their opinion on a couple of totally meaningless exhibition games in which the NBA teams were, for the most part, resting their starters and just trying different players to determine the 12/13/14th player of their rotation (not to mention different rookies who never played one single minute of real NBA action so far) then they don’t know anything about basketball and are clearly just trying to use those losses as an excuse to come up with their preconcived and outdated notions about the NBA, typical of those ones who don’t pay attention. I’m sure things would have been way different had the Mavs (against Barcelona) and the Celtics (against Fenerbahce) played at full-speed instead of just using those games as a scrimmage and let their top players on the court or even made them play (Dirk didn’t even play against Barcelona).

    Personally, I was at the Celtics game in Milan and, like I said in another comment, I had a frickin’ great time. Place was packed and looked like a Celtics home game in Boston since roughly half the crowd was sporting Celtics gear. This is one of the pics I took at the game.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151293924603132&set=a.10151293768243132.534728.757338131&type=1&theater

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Wow. Nice pictures. Looks like a good time. One thing I noticed from your pictures is how small the arena is. And this is a Euroleague arena? It only has two levels. Madison Square Garden in New York, where I see games, is at least twice as large. The bad seats in Milan would be considered good seats in MSG. While it makes for an intimate atmosphere for the fans the NBA will not be able to expand into Europe unless there are bigger arenas.

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  21. Jack
    12 years ago

    Bigger arenas? Expand into Europe? Who the hell is this idiot?

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Wow! Why the cursing and the insults?? Here I was having a conversation with Andrea about the difference between basketball in the US and Europe and I get called an idiot for my observations.

      I just noticed from his pictures, which was very nice of him to share, that the arena seems small from my perspective. And it is. The Mediolanum forum, where the picture was taken, holds 12,000 seats while Madison Square Garden where I have seen games, hold almost 20,000, or to be exact 19,763. So yes I guess I was wrong, it’s not twice as big, still 7,763 more seats is a lot.

      If you want to join the conversation find but there is no need to be calling people names are using vulgar language. In fact doing so makes one look very angry, juvenile or both.

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  22. BED
    12 years ago

    That arena seats 13,000 for basketball with the permanent seats can hold plenty more with the temporary seats. It’s added more seats and still has tons of empty room where more seats can go.

    That is no small arena and it has had lots of upgrades in recent years. Also, European arenas only list the permanent seating capacity. Every single NBA arena is listed by the full capacity with temporary seating. Two different things.

    You should try to grasp that if you are going to tell others how all you are trying to do is talk about basketball and converse and compare, but then you constantly use false comparisons and statements.

    Let me explain it to you…….

    For example, Olympiacos arena has currently 14,905 permanent seats. They took like 4,000 seats several years ago and recently added some back. There could be actually 16,000 permanent seats. Maybe they add them back, who knows? They did just this summer add in about another 1,400 of them back.

    Anyway, the temporary seating is 1,000 even with full tiers of seating installed. In other words, if it was an NBA arena, it’s capacity would be listed at 17,000, because NBA counts the temporary seating. You know, like the seating around court side that is not permanent and can be removed or moved. Seating configurations that change for different sports, events, etc.

    Euroleague ONLY counts those permanent tiers of seats in the capacity. So Olympiacos arena would be counted at 17,000 if it was an NBA arena, but in Europe they count it as a 15,000 arena.

    I could go on and on. Fener arena is counted as 13,800 in Europe, but would be 15,000 in NBA way.

    Panathinaikos arena is counted at 18,800 by Euroleague way, but would be over 20,000 by NBA way. Belgrade arena would be counted as 20,000 by Eurolague way but 23,000 by NBA way, etc.

    Alba’s arena is 14,800 by Euroleague count, but would be 17,000 by NBA count.

    It’s true for almost any big arena. Pretty much every single Euroleague arena would have bigger capacity if it counted the temporary seats, just like the NBA arenas would be smaller if they did not.

    I hate to break it to you, but the Knicks arena is counting the temporary seating also in the capacity.

    You are a person that seems to deal in absolutes and only if it fits your own personal viewpoint. And besides that, I have been to several NBA arenas and several Euroleague arenas, and some of the European ones are nicer than any NBA arena I ever saw.

    The arena that Panionios used to use, is far nicer than Madison Square Garden for example. I have been to both, and it’s not even remotely close. That arena that Panionios used was like a palace. It seated i think 15,000 in the way the NBA would count it. Of course the European arenas don’t count the luxury boxes either in capacity like NBA teams do. So that’s another difference.

    You would be saying what a POS arena that is because it had 15,000 capacity and would be “so small compared to an NBA arena”, and you imply would be beneath an NBA team and that the NBA could not even play in it or use it. It’s funny, how strange your ideas are. Like I said, I’ve been to numerous NBA arenas, and it trumps all of them with absolute ease.

    Yet you would be just claiming it below NBA standard. You really have a very narrow mind.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      I’m just saying from looking at the pictures that Andrea posted on his facebook page I was surprised how small the arena looked. Where the roof was in that Arena in MSG there would be two other whole sections of seats.

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    • Gabe
      12 years ago

      Here is an article exactly what we are talking about. NBA expansion in Europe:

      http://articles.boston.com/2012-10-14/sports/34427391_1_euroleague-teams-nba-presence-fenerbahce-ulker

      In the article David Stern himself says most Euroleague stadiums are too small:

      “What Stern realized is that many of the arenas that house Euroleague teams are not up to NBA standards. For example, the Ulker Sports Arena in Istanbul, a sparkling new venue that houses Fenerbahce Ulker and features an adjacent practice facility, fits only 13,000, which would make it the smallest arena in the NBA.”

      Yet you called me narrow minded for saying the exact same thing as David Stern.

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      • Niko
        12 years ago

        That article is a bullshit and Stern is a moron. Europe is loaded with NBA level arenas. There are many of them. Stern is just simply a moron.

        Either that or he is only talking about AEG arenas. NBA has a contract with AEG so maybe that is what he means. That would be why he mentions London and Berlin arenas that NBA partner AEG owns.

        If he is trying to claim Europe has no more NBA level arenas, then he is a liar or a moron, or both. Because Europe is full of huge arenas all over the place.

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        • Gabe
          12 years ago

          Yes the NBA commissioner is a liar and a moron but eveything some crazy European troll with an inferiority complex posts on the internet is intelligent and the truth! LMFAO

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  23. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    I know I am a little late, but as a Mavericks fan who watched (the first half) of this game, I have to comment….

    1. It’s preseason. Here is how much it matters in the NBA. The Mavericks have sold out 437 consecutive games, and thus, on stubhub.com, the cheapest tickets are usually between $20-30….. For tonight’s preseason game against interstate rival Houston Rockets with huge draw Jeremy Lin, there are over a few hundred tickets available for under $1, with the cheapest being $0.18. Last year, the Charlotte Bobcats beat the Atlanta Hawks in the preseason….. and the Bobcats went on to have the worst season in NBA history while the Hawks went to the playoffs. Do you think the Bobcats fan(s) try to argue that they were as good as Atlanta last year based on the preseason victory?… On second though, maybe he/they does/do.

    2. There were players on the Mavericks who played significant first half minutes either be in the D-league or cut from the team and are only at training camp because they can carry more roster-members during the preseason. Individuals such as Josh Akignon, Jared Cunningham, Jae Crowder and Dominique Jones will be in the Developmental league for the entire season, with Jones being the lone player who may see action, but only in the 4th quarter of a blow-out if someone is injured and he gets called up.

    3. Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, OJ Mayo, Dahanty Jones, and Nick Collison are all playing their 2nd game as Mavericks, with their first being against Alba Berlin. Barca has gelled and is in their regular season.

    and oh by the way…… THE GREATEST NON-AMERICAN EVER TO PICK UP A BASKETBALL DIDN’T PLAY.

    Stop the insanity, the best team in the Euroleague isn’t a play-off team in the NBA. Even in the East.

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    • Niko
      12 years ago

      I watched this game also. Barca played their youth squad players in that game. So you are just making up excuses.

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  24. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    Though don’t get me wrong, I really wanted the Mavs to win….. No joke, when they announced they were resting Dirk and Roddy Boubois for the game it was obvious to me that they were going to treat this like any other pre-season game…. and when I saw Cunningham. Crowder, Akegnon, and Jones playing most of the second quarter, and Vinsanity just sitting and chucking up threes looking like he just wanted to get out and find a few Catiline women to take to their hotel that night…… I actually thought, “shit, people on BiE are going to use this game as fodder for our ridiculous arguments…. and no amount of reason will convince them that FC Barcalona is not better than the Mavericks.”

    If Cuban only knew what I was going to have to go through, maybe things would have been different…..

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    • Niko
      12 years ago

      Barca was playing teenagers from their youth squad in this same game. So I fail to see how you even have an argument here. This is the kind of talk from NBA fans that pisses off Euroleague fans. It is just a bunch of bullshit being made up out of nothing to make up fake excuses as to how could an NBA team possibly lose to a Euroleague team.

      It is really insulting to Euroleague fans and it really shows some kind of inferiority complex from Americans in general that think this way.

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      • Gabe
        12 years ago

        This does not rebutt DallasTexasSaqartvelo argument that Dallas did not take this game seriously. So neither team did. That even makes the game more meaningless.

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  25. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    Also, which arena did you go to? Arco? Lol…. MSG got renovated last year, btw…. the only arena that is as low quality as a european arena is Arco Arena in Sacramento…. and they are threatening to leave the city unless they get a higher quality one….

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    • Niko
      12 years ago

      Where does this bullshit come from? Why are so many Americans such fools and idiots? There are huge state of the art arenas that can hold basketball all over Europe. Many of them are also fairly new.

      This does not even count all of the hockey arenas and handball arenas that are multi purpose and can play basketball, just like NBA arenas are multi purpose. This is just some kind of made up imagination from Americans that Europe does not have big arenas.

      Hell, just in Germany alone there are several “NBA level” arenas. In just ONE European country. It really is true how ignorant and arrogant and stupid the average American is, whenever you just read the retarded things they say about any place that is not the USA.

      Athens, Berlin, London, Istanbul, Zagreb, Belgrade, Kaunas I can go on and on with all of the European cities just with NBA like arenas. Never mind all the cities with ones for hockey and handball that are built multi use and can also do basketball.

      This is just stupid bullshit from you Americans and you are so damn stupid that you don’t even realize it.

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  26. DallasTexasSaqartvelo
    12 years ago

    However, it all depends on what you describe as quality…. the nicer arenas in the NBA come at the expense of the game experience…. in Dallas, the stadium the Mavericks used to play in, Reunion Arena, got so loud because it was old and had a tin roof…. it held less people, but you knew you were at a basketball game….. however, the American Airlines center looks like a hotel or something on the inside and the roof is insulated so it absorbs noise to improve concert quality…. it sucks. I would take a Euro Arena any day if I had the choice.

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