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Team Russia’s first opponent in 2012 Olympic qualifiers: Jetlag (really?)

March 6, 2012

With months to go before the London Olympic Games, some Russian media sources may already be panicking, based on concerns quoted from Alexey Shved vis-à-vis the FIBA qualifying tournament scheduled for July in Venezuela. The CSKA Moscow guard told Russia-based media service RIA Novosti that “Of course we’ll try. But flying for 15 hours changes your whole schedule. It’s very difficult.”

Already, noted Shved, “We’ve had practically no rest since [Eurobasket 2011]. We’ll play out the season, then again training camps and a tournament on the other side of the world.”

The FIBA decision to place the qualifiers in Venezuela was, in Shved’s opinion, “completely mystifying. A long-haul flight, big time difference. Everyone thought that the qualification tournament would be in Lithuania.”

Of course, BallinEurope should note here that among the aspiring Olympic entrants are Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, for whom a trip to Venezuela is not a long-haul flight. Also in the tournament are Greece, Lithuania, Angola, Jordan, Korea, New Zealand, Nigeria and those Eurobasket darlings, FYR Macedonia; the top three finishers go on to London.

Regardless. Jetlag or no, Team Russia could be supplied with Shved, Andrei Kirilenko, Viktor Khryapa, Anton Ponkrashov, and Andrey Vorontsevich from CSKA Moscow alone; geez, just look at this prospective roster.

Indeed, looking at the groups, it’s hard to imagine all four European teams not advancing, thereby placing Greece, Lithuania, Russia and FYR Macedonia in the final four…

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Comments: 39
  1. Gabe
    11 years ago

    It’s hard to imagine FYR Macedonia not advancing over Puerto Rico, Angola or New Zealand!? Yeah, just like it was hard imagining Slovenia (a better team than FYR Macedonia) not advancing to the final four over Puerto Rico in 2008?

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    • Os Davis
      11 years ago

      @ Gabe: Sure, of the European teams, FYR Macedonia does have the trickiest path, but there’s no way BiE can bet against Bo’s boys after witnessing the havoc they wreaked in Eurobasket…

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  2. AP
    11 years ago

    McCalebb, Micov, Antic, Gecevski………………..that’s a lot of offensive firepower for FYROM. They should be considered as slight favorites over Puerto Rico.

    I also love how every time these discussions come up, Gabe is simply incapable of grasping that past tournaments don’t mean anything. Gabe, get a clue please. Past tournaments don’t mean a thing, yet you ALWAYS bring them up.

    I remember you claiming Greece could not possibly medal at the Olympics because “they finished 11 at the World Championship and 6 at the EuroBasket”.

    It’s pearls off wisdom like that which cause you to have no respect here.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      If past tournaments don’t mean anything than what does? How a team looks on paper? Past tournaments are really the only thing that means something! Yes there are always exceptions (like Turkey winning silver in the world championships and not even making the qualifying tournament) but all in all, the only way you have to judge teams is how they performed in actual tournaments!

      I mean it is the result of this past Eurobasket that people are so high on FYROM. Macedonia did get hot in Eurobasket but they also lost to Montenegro and have never been on the global stage before while Puerto Rico has always been competitive on the global stage. Yes they have not done well in recent World Championships but won silver in the 2009 Americas Championship, were 6th place in the 2004 Olympics (becoming one of only 7 national teams to ever beat the USA with NBA players, something Russia or FYROM have never done) and were the last team not to make the 2008 Olympics when NBA Finals MVP Nowitzki scored 32 points against them in the final elimination game. Not to mention they have NBA champion Barea on their team while Macedonia has no NBA players.

      And remember in the last Olympics the defending Eurobasket champion Russia, couldn’t even get out of pool play.

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      • Gabe
        11 years ago

        And that being said I think the best non-European team in the qualifying tournament is Angola. People scoff at Angola because they never win a game in the Olympics but they always make the Olympics. Before losing to Tunisia Angola had won 6 straight and 10 out of 11 Africa Championships. In the past 2 World Championships they have advanced out of pool play, which cannot be said for many European teams, and have beaten teams like Germany and New Zealand.

        Not only do I think Angola, Puerto Rico and New Zealand can easily beat FYROM, I think they have a chance of upsetting Russia for the last Olympic spot, especially Angola. Remember the European teams do not have home zone advantage this time, having to play in Puerto Rico’s home zone.

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        • Gabe
          11 years ago

          *Sorry I misspoke when I said many European teams have not advanced out of pool play in the past two World Championships when the the only European team not able to do so was Germany in 2010 when they lost to Angola. Still Angola placed better and had a better record in 2006 then Serbia, Slovenia, China and Australia.

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  3. Phileus
    11 years ago

    Wow. I don’t think Angola and NZ can beat MAcedonia, let alone beat them “easily.”

    I’ll make you a bet. If you’re right, I’ll promise to non-sarcastically support every post the anti-NBA, anti-American Sock Puppet Troll makes during the Olympics. What will you do for me in return? 😛

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      Why would I want you to do that?

      What’s the bet that both Angola in NZ beat Macedonia in the group stage? (which btw is the toughest group, no tomato cans in Group D)

      That I won’t do. But I will bet that either Angola, NZ or PR gets to the semi-finals instead of Macedonia and if I win you have to join me in calling out to taunt Apollo after Greece doesn’t medal again because he will disappear just like he did right after the world championship.

      And if I lose I will post my actual real picture.

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  4. Apollo
    11 years ago

    Gabe is an idiot.

    “If past tournaments don’t mean anything than what does? How a team looks on paper? Past tournaments are really the only thing that means something! Yes there are always exceptions (like Turkey winning silver in the world championships and not even making the qualifying tournament) but all in all, the only way you have to judge teams is how they performed in actual tournaments! ”

    Greece 2010 – players suspended, huge fight against Serbia, Bourousis their starting center playing with a broken shooting hand, the media trashing them, players fighting with the coach, some players refusing to play, etc.

    Greece 2011- using basically their C team at the tournament. If USA had a “B” team, as YOU and others claimed, then Greece had a C team.

    You take from this that Greece cannot win a medal at the 2012 Olympics. Which means you are a moron.

    USA – 2000 beat Lithuania in semifinals of Olympics by LUCK and a couple BLOWN calls by the refs. Should have won bronze.

    USA – 2002 – 6th place

    USA – 2004 – 3rd place

    According to you, based on “previous tournaments” the USA could NOT win the 2008 Olympics. Yet, YOU were telling everyone they would.

    But if it comes to Greece, they “cannot win” because of past tournaments.

    You are a an idiot, and you are a HUGE hater of all basketball played outside the USA.

    Greece’s projected 2012 team:

    PG Spanoulis/Sloukas
    SG Zisis/Vasilieiadis
    SF Diamantidis
    PF Fotsis/Printezis/Kaimakoglou
    C Bourousis/Koufos

    Then the last two places between Pappas, Mantzaris, Jankovic, Vougioukas, Mavroeidis, Xanthopoulos, P. Calathes, N. Calathes, Papanikolaou, Perperoglou……..

    You are such a hater and idiot Gabe. You claim teams like France and Argentina would be better than such a Greek team. News flash buddy, that Greek team will freaking crush a team like Argentina.

    You are delusional and you talk so much crap here, basing everything on NBA players. You simply rate teams by how many NBA players they have, and then talk crap to anyone that disagrees with your nonsense.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      Let’s see, last time Greece and Argentina meet in the Olympics in 2008 Argentina won. Argentina has done better in Greece in every tournament except 2006 so to say that Greece is better has no basis at all. Greece was 5th place in 2008 and 11th place in 2010. They will be lucky to win Bronze.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      It is you who is an idiot Apollo. Apart from that 6th place finish in 2002 the USA has medaled in every single tournament and before their three tournament losing streak started in 2002 they won 4 gold medals in a row using NBA players. Greece on the other hand has medaled only one time, the silver in 2006 and that was the only time they ever made a semi-finals. The most recent 11th place finish was an 11th place finish no matter how many excuses you make.

      And how many NBA players a team has does make a difference. If you look at the the finals of the past Olympics and WC, not only did the champion, USA, have all NBA players but the runner-up (Spain and Turkey) had at least 4 NBA players on their team. Even looking at the Eurobasket championship this year, 9 out of the 10 top players (top players meaning players with the most minutes) were NBA players.

      2006 was fluke and will not happen again. Greece is a one time silver medalist like Italy and Turkey and will soon disappear from the global stage as what happened with Italy.

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  5. Apollo
    11 years ago

    Gabe – “Not to mention they have NBA champion Barea on their team while Macedonia has no NBA players.”

    You are a complete RETARD.

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  6. Marshall G.
    11 years ago

    Gabe, this comes from an American and NBA guy ————-> STFU

    Argentina’s team is old as hell and won’t do a damn thing at the 2012 Olympics. They are something like maybe even as low as the 8th-9th best team at the Olympics. They are complete has beens. A full Greece, and several other teams, would beat them with complete ease. People here are right. You are a damn troll.

    Just STOP.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      The extreme disrespect for Argentina is mind boggling. They are the only other team apart from USA to win an Olympic gold in the past 20 years. In the past world championships they were 5th place without their best player Ginobli, apart from that they made the semi-finals of every tournament and won gold this past summer in the Americas championship. Mid 30’s is not old, Jordan was winning championships into his mid 30’s.

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  7. Alex
    11 years ago

    Italy fell off the face of the basketball world because the overall quality of their players from the late 70s until the late eighties, including their three NBAers, stinks. Their players born in the early-mid 1990s are more promising; I just hope that they will mature quickly enough to play alongside Bargnani, Belinelli, and Gallinari.

    Turky–and Germany, for that matter–isn’t going anywhere. It’s a budding basketball power, with solid players and prospects from the mid-eighites to the mid-nineties.

    Does anyone know if Sofoklis will play for Greece?

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  8. Ivanovic
    11 years ago

    Big Sofo should not play for Greece at Olympics. He is playing with a bad knee and will have surgery on it over the summer. So it is almost certain he will not play this summer.

    About Argentina – I agree it just is showing once more this gabe is the troll of BIE.

    Prigioni/Sanchez
    Manu/Quinteros
    Delfino/Jasen
    Nocioni/L Gutierrez/Kammerichs
    Scola/Oberto/JP Gutierrez

    This would be the Argentina team if they are all healthy. I agree 100% this team is VERY OLD and will not survive in tournament like Olympics. Gabe is nuts. I think even a full Puerto Rico is better than a team of geezers like Argentina one.

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  9. Ivanovic
    11 years ago

    Ages of Argentina best 12 at Olympics:

    Point guard:

    Pablo Prigioni – 35
    Pepe Sanchez – 35

    Shooting guard:

    Manu Ginobili – 35
    Paolo Quinteros – 33

    Small forward:

    Carlos Delfino – 29
    Pancho Jasen – 34

    Power forward:

    Andres Nocioni – 32
    Leo Gutierrez – 34
    Federico Kammerichs – 32

    Center:

    Luis Scola – 32
    Fabrico Oberto – 37
    Juan Pedro Gutierrez – 28

    Only TWO players in whole roster that are under 30.

    Average age of roster is 33.0 years.

    Average age of starters (who play 30-40 minutes in their team) is 32.6 years.

    And only other possible player I see in their team if all is healthy and wants to play is Leo Mainoldi. And he is 27. He could be in the roster instead of Oberto. But even this would not matter because then JP Gutierrez will play all backup center minutes.

    So basically is same exact rotation anyway either way.

    In 2011 FIBA Americas, which is obvious the troll gabe never even saw,

    Oberto = almost dead on court
    Manu = tired and old and struggling with injuries
    Quinteros = looking old and tired
    Sanchez = looking almost dead on court
    Jasen = looking old slow
    Nocioni = looking old slow, tired, and injured
    Scola = looking slow, old, favoring one knee badly, etc.

    And Leo Gutierrez who did not play last summer does not seem like same player this year in Argentine League since his heart ailment.

    Only players they have (of the ones they will actually use if they all can play) that gives any energy or movement or even can play any defense for even a few possessions in a game is,

    Prigioni, Delfino, Kammerichs, JP Gutierrez, and also Mainoldi if he was selected over Oberto. And of this group of players is Prigioni who is almost near to be a total washed up player. He is barely a shadow of the player he once was in Euroleague.

    I mean they even have possibility of Sanchez and Oberto in rotation just like in last summer. These players are so old and washed up that they can barely even make it up and down the court.

    B teams of Brazil and Puerto Rico were as good or better than them even though they were playing at home and getting some refs help. And this this gabe person is saying the dub things like past tournament is all that matters when you judge these teams.

    Then if past tournament basis is true then Argentina will not do crap in Olympics. Because in last sumemr they were already complete suck team. gabe is bragging about they win 2011 gold medal? LOL at this idiot. Of course he never watch the tournament but pretends he is such expert on it. Just like his bull shit he always says about Euroleague.

    Argentina at home was in same level as B teams of Puerto Rico and Brazil last summer you fool gabe. They would NEVER even have made the qualifier tournament if they was in Eurobasket.

    gabe is so stupid it is just sad. If he really believe any of this crazy crap he posts here then it is truly sad for him to be so dumb. He is talk about Manu and Jordan? WTF is this? Manu can barely even stay on court anymore. In 5 minutes time he is likely to get injured. gabe is just nuts and he proves it every time he posts in BIE.

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  10. Phileus
    11 years ago

    Gabe, we’ve talked about this before, but I have to agree with the trolls that you’re wrong on Argentina. “Time and chance happeneth to them all” and their golden age is over indeed. The old soldiers have faded from their glory days, and there is no fresh talent coming up the pipes to relieve them.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      I agree with you Phileus that there is no fresh talent to relieve them but I believe this is their last hoorah. In the World Championship (only two years ago) Argentina was 5th place, better than Spain, Greece, Russia etc…without Manu. If Manu stays healthy, which is a big if, he still has shades of his old self which I have seen watching the Spurs. Until they are beaten on the court they are still the only National Team in the world, USA included, to always be in the top 5 of every tournament for the last ten years.

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  11. Erikk
    11 years ago

    First of all, from someone who actually WATCHED 2011 Americas (unlike Gabe) …..Argentina won’t win a damn thing in 2012. Teams better than them:

    Lithuania
    Spain
    Greece
    USA
    Russia
    France
    Brazil

    and maybe even Australia

    Even Macedonia, Puerto Rico, and Dominican Republic, New Zealando are more or less at a similar level as Argentina, just a little bit worse.

    Second USA was not in the top 10 of every tournament in the last 10 years. So stop making that bull shit claim Gabe. They finished 6th in 2002.

    Third, it’s not true that Argentina has “no fresh talent”. They are just stubborn and refuse to play anyone but their old players.

    They have all these players at 30 and under:

    PG Luis Cequeira/J.P. Cantero
    SG Juan Fernandez/Matias Nocedal
    SF Carlos Delfino
    PF Leo Mainoldi
    C J.P. Gutierrez

    They have 7 pretty good players that are 30 and under, they just only seem to be interested in Delfino. But all of those are good players and would be playing for their national team, if it was not held hostage by their old geezer NBA prima donnas like Ginobili, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto.

    And again, as pointed out here, Gabe claims that past tournaments are the only gauge, but refuses to acknowledge numerous past tournaments where USA lost, and only claims they are invincible. I seriously doubt that Gabe even watches any of these tournaments.

    Let’s play your little game Gabe.

    2010 USA 70 – Brazil 68

    USA got lucky that Huertas blew a wide open lay up at the end of the game, or else they would have lost.

    2010 USA 85 – Spain 84

    USA got lucky that Bricky Scrubio did his usual suck job and had 5 4th quarter turnovers, 3 of them in a row, and allowed the USA to come from behind late and steal a victory. Now that Scrubio is out with an injury, Spain became MUCH STRONGER as a player that is much better than Scrubio is (someone like Victor Sada or Rafa Martinez) will get Scrubio’s minutes. That luck won’t happen again without Scrubio in there to screw things up.

    USA against Russia —-> The USA could not win the game without the refs helping them. If it was called even, Russia would have won the game.

    USA could have and probably SHOULD have lost 3 games in 2010. So based on “past tournaments”, in fact, the last tournament, which Gabe is using to SOLELY judge teams like Argentina and Greece……………..then USA will NOT, I repeat WILL NOT win gold in 2012.

    Of course, Gabe instead of guaranteeing they will be undefeated based on the same tournament, which only proves what a freaking jack ass he truly is.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      You could make all the excuses you want but the facts are the USA won all those games, in fact they won every single game, real or friendly, in 2010 just like they won every single game, real or friendly, in 2008 with a completely different team. I mean we’re talking domination we haven’t really seen since 1992-1994-1996 where after this summer the USA will be the 2X defending Olympic Champion and the World Champion!

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  12. Phileus
    11 years ago

    Erik is some sort of genius. No matter what the topic is, he can always find a way to link something bad to the USA or the NBA in general. Even the suck-age of Team Argentina is the NBA’s fault.

    Erik, please tell me how the economic crisis is the fault of the NBA.

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  13. Zoran
    11 years ago

    Greek coach told this will be Greek team most probable. Spanoulis back from injury. Sofo back if he is healthy but not if he is not. He must have a knee surgery so that will decide.

    Bramos, Kalathis, Koufos in the team because the federation sold them on Olympics chance a long time ago. One player of Perperoglou or Printezis, whichever one has best season probably.

    Then get Diamantidis to play again. Mavrokefalidis not in team due to behavior issue. The rest of players in the same as last summer and keep working with the young players in camp. So is pretty obvious then should be like this way

    PG Spanoulis / Sloukas / Kalathis
    SG Zisis / Vasilieiadis
    SF Diamantidis / Bramos
    PF Fotsis / Printezis / Kaimakoglou
    C Bourousis / Koufos

    This I expect for 12.

    The options of others is like

    Vougioukas, Mavroeidis, Pappas, Papanikolaou, Sloukas, Jankovic, Mantzaris, Xantopoulos. Only position I have some question is Bramos at SF after Diamantidis. Bramos plays great defense but his shooting is not good enough. But he is have very good year in ACB league so far this year so if he plays to same level this summer it will be fine.

    But I think I would like the coach to select Pappas instead if possible. To have Vasileiaidis in SF and then Pappas in SG position. Because he is like Spanoulis in he can make his own basket out of nothing against set defense. This will be great to have one player in starters and one in bench. But defense will be less than with Bramos.

    Any way though this is really strong Greek roster and any position less than bronze medal will be huge failure. Every single player in main 10 rotation except Bramos is either one of top Euroleague players (Spanoulis, Sloukas, Zisis, Vasilieiadis, Diamantidis, Fotsis, Printezis, Bourousis) or in rotation in NBA (Koufos)

    and then Kalathis and Kaimakoglou are both key rotation players of Panathinaikos champions of Euroleague roster and they can just be in 11/12 places of roster.

    This leaves Bramos, but he might be best player of his Spanish league team. Or my other choice with Pappas who is best scorer of all Europe in his age group.

    Truth be tell only teams Greece even must think on is US and Spain. Team like Argentina will be easy win for Greece.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      We’ll see. Argentina was not an easy win for Greece when they met in the last Olympics.

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  14. Chester
    11 years ago

    What is wrong with Gabe? Is he retarded or just a troll?

    Does he not grasp that this is 2012 and not 2008? I’m already sick of him just from reading through this one blog.

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  15. Apollo
    11 years ago

    There needs to be something done about how FIBA handles this qualification tournament. Shved is right. They are really punishing the European teams HARD.

    Greek media has reported that Greek national team, due to the schedule implemented by FIBA,

    cannot have a training camp
    cannot have an invite of players to tryout for the team
    cannot add new players to the team because there is no time to learn any plays or sets
    cannot add any new plays or sets to the offense
    cannot invite certain players it wants to because there is no time allowed to integrate them

    and that certain players of the team will have ZERO days off after their national leagues end. They will have to report for Greek national team the DAY AFTER their club seasons end.

    Maybe they might be able to integrate Spanoulis into the team, but his playing time might not even happen because he will have no time to learn any of the plays of the team. If he does play in the rotation, it will be without knowing a single play or set of the team.

    Diamantidis had no interest in joining the team even though he was thinking about playing, because of the same thing. He would at best be just added to the roster and sit on the bench, because he would not have had a single day training with the team.

    Basically, they have to start the team the day after the national leagues end, then they have to keep all the players from last year in the team basically.

    Even though it was like Greece’s C team and was JUST designed for 2011 to get the EuroBasket qualification place, and was NEVER intended to be the 2012 Olympic team…….

    and they have to just immediately hop on a plane, take a 13 hours flight……….

    then play some prep games (without having had any practices, any trainings, NO team camp at all), then go right from there to playing the qualification tournament.

    This is CRAZY that this is being done to the teams like FYROM, Greece, Russia, and Lithuania. Because the teams that have already qualified will have to deal with none of this, and the other teams in the qualification tournament won’t have to deal with it either.

    This is an EXTREME handicap that is being placed on the European teams at the qualifiers. Even if they manage to qualify under this, they will be totally exhausted and gassed before the Olympic even start.

    They will be like zombie teams if they make it to the quarterfinals. I find these actions by FIBA to be really shady and fishy.

    The worst thing is that is is forcing out so many good players. So many good players now just REFUSE to play for their national team. I mean Greece practically has to beg guys to play and 5-6 of the best Greek players just simply won’t play anymore because of this kind of stuff from FIBA.

    Even Lithuania has been having some problems getting some guys to play and it is all because of this kind of ridiculous FIBA scheduling.

    It’s absolutely ridiculous. Team USA would boycott the tournament and would not even play if they had such a schedule put on them. The favoritism FIBA is showing certain teams and their obvious agenda against others is really getting way out of hand.

    Really, Russia, FYROM, Lithuania, and Greece should all just boycott and refuse to play and tell them to shove it. This is absolutely an unacceptable schedule they have placed on those teams.

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      What a joke Apollo is. FIBA does not revolve around Europe. No one was complaining when the qualifying tournament for the China Olympics was in Greece. The favoritism that FIBA was showing Europe was way out of hand. Not only was the past Olympic qualifying tournament in Europe but so is the current Olympics and the past and upcoming World Championships. Finally FIBA gives the Americas one lousy qualifying tournament and the Europeans cry how unfair it is. Now you now how Team USA feels in basically every tournament they play in. If teams wanted to not play in the qualifying tournament than they should have done better in their zone championship (or won the world championship like the USA)

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  16. Aleksandar Zoran
    11 years ago

    “Indeed, looking at the groups, it’s hard to imagine all four European teams not advancing, thereby placing Greece, Lithuania, Russia and FYR Macedonia in the final four…”

    what the hell???? LOL

    Macedonia a final four finalist… just lol.

    and I mean no offense to Macedonia because they have a great team, and where the secession of the last Eurobasket.

    But seriously, who in his right mind will ever choose Macedonia to beat the Dominican Republic, which in case Macedonia ends up as first overall in its group, would be the team they had to face in the second round.

    i mean, can Macedonia beat the DR, well absolutely, any team can beat any other team in a bad night, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves here, as good as Macedonia is, (which again I gotta admit they are very good), the chance of Macedonia stopping The Dominican Republic and Al Horford are pretty damn slim.

    We are talking about a team that took its B team to the Americas tournament even then gave a big beat down to Puerto Rico, a team only missing 2 players in that tournament in Vassallo and Peter John Ramos, and came back from over 20 points down in the 4th quarter to beat Brazil’s A team (which also happen to be the only team able to compete against the USA in the World Cup). and btw that comeback as the largest in the history of that tournament actually. add to that that they also beat Brazil in the Panamerican games with half of the player that they had for that tournament, which was already a very incomplete team even before that to begin with. (Brazil was only missing the NBA and their starting small forward in the Panamericans)

    Al Horford ended up the tournament in the top 5 of points, assists, rebounds, free throws %, field goal %, blocks, steal, and assist-to-turnover ratio. How will Macedonia answer that? they simply can’t, and if you add to that that the Dominican Republic were missing about 6 players in that tournament like Gerardo Suero the current 5th leading scorer in the NCAA at Albany, or someone like Sammy Mejia best import in France a season ago, or Ricky Greer who was the finals MVP also in France not to long ago, I just don’t see how someone can make an argument for Macedonia, really.

    and again I and not dissing Macedonia, I respect what they did last year and I was rotting for them till the end, I wanted them to shock the world and I think they are a great team but to assume that they’ll just roll over the Dominican team when the DR is just overall better in pretty much everything except for they point guard spot, I just can’t see that, sorry

    the way I see this tournament right now in terms of who’s who is like this:
    1- Russia
    2-Lithuania, a very close second
    3-Greece, if they go to Venezuela with the same team they went to the euros I would have then even lower, but if changes are made maybe even higher than Lithuania (unlikely but possible)
    4-The Dominican Republic, 3rd place in the Americas and possibly the best coach in the tournament but they concentrate in Kentucky which is a very different climate than that of Venezuela and that might comeback to bite them if they don’t acclimate well
    5-Puerto Rico, if healthy and complete A team goes, if not then Macedonia
    6-Macedonia, (see Puerto Rico)
    7-Angola/New Zealand, too close to pick one really, I guess i will all depend on Angola preparation and NZ final roster, but from 4 to 7 all those team can be interchangeable IMO
    8-Nigeria, they have a lot of talent in the USA, including NBA caliber player (Al-Farouq Aminu, Okafor), but they can’t never get them to play for them.
    9-Jordan play in the worst region talent-wise, not much talent except for 3 naturalized players, (2 American and one German, and a couple of Palestinian) but still a lot better than Korea, beat Iran twice last year as well as Lebanon
    10-Korea, they are constantly struggling with crappy regional Asian team like the Philippines ranked 67, with 6’5” feet centers, and Japan (Venezuela B team beat Japan A team by 50 or more in 2 scrimmages last year) so I don’t see how Korea can compete, besides the Korean Federation had said that they will send only the young player to this tournament develop them

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  17. Aleksandar Zoran
    11 years ago

    Apollo please stop trolling please and have some decency, and stop your Euro-centric bias
    if Euro-centrism didn’t exist half of the wars in history would never had happened

    We Europeans have destroy this planet with our superiority complex.

    i did not see Asians or American teams whining about the last Olympic qualifier being in Greece.

    and Russian cry about jet lag, seriously??? everything is always held here in Europe and when was the last time you heard Puerto Rican, Mexican , etc complaining about jet-lag and say that it was an elaborate plan from FIBA to make perform badly. Well guess what the world does not revolve around Europe anymore this ain’t the Renaissance time there are other places around the world that have as many rights as you do. and the fact of the matter is that FIBA won’t give the qualifying tournament to a country that just hosted the Eurobasket, it would not be fair. And besides, Venezuela no other country had the infrastructure to host this caliber of event, How you ever been to the Caracas Stadium? that is an NBA caliber arena they have there.

    and teams in this tournament should on;y be grateful that they still have a chance of making it to London instead of being greedy about it, if they don’t like the conditions to which they are suggested in the tournament they should have done better and qualify in their respective regional tournament, but they didn’t so too bad, you should have played better.
    BUT if they don’t like to play in Venezuela they can always step down and choose not to go and let other team take their places instead, after all no one is putting a gun on your faces and forcing you to play, and I’m sure a lot of other countries would be delighted to go play in Venezuela and would not have any problem with the location or time, just as Serbians, Turkish, Slovenians, Croats, Iran, Canada etc

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  18. Erik
    11 years ago

    Gabe is now posting under the alias of Aleksandar Zoran.

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  19. Erik
    11 years ago

    BTW Gabe, your worst nightmare just came true. FIBA is claiming that Team USA players will no longer have testing immunity if they win a medal, and the samples will be held for 8 years to go under testing when new tests come up that can detect the designer PEDs that are being used now and go undetected.

    You will now either win a medal and have it taken away down the road, and the truth about your “dominance” will be revealed, or you will somehow manage to lose before winning that medal. Just somehow.

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  20. Phileus
    11 years ago

    Haha. I can imagine Erik/Apollo/Zoran’s shocked expression when he came in and thought someone else was using his multiple accounts technique. At least Aleksander Zoran *sounds* like a different person from Gabe. You don’t even try 😛

    It’s also funny how you’ve convinced yourself that Team USA must cheat in some way or another to win. I understand your frustration, but it’s also kind of sad that you’re already preparing excuses for your team to lose. Why even bother watching the Olympics, then?

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      Yeah that’s not me. I predict for the qualifying
      1. Greece
      2. Lithuania
      3. Russia
      4. Angola
      5. Puerto Rico
      6. New Zealand
      7. Nigeria
      8. Venezuela
      9. Dominican Republic
      10. Jordan
      11. Korea
      12. FYR of Macedonia

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      • Aleksandar Zoran
        11 years ago

        Gabe no offense but your ranking is beyond stupidity

        Macedonia is the worst team in this tournament according to you? WOW

        and to put Venezuela, New Zealand, Angola and Nigeria above The Dominican Republic??? what the hell?
        do you know that Venezuela has not beat The Dominican Republic since 1999, think you should do a little research before you give an opinion like that

        and Angola over Puerto Rico>/ when as the last time they beat PR?

        and Greece is far from being the #1 team here, haven you watch them the last decade or so?

        and lastly there is no way Asian teams are better than a European team, they can’t even beat African teams in a consistent basis, i would even take a team like Finland over the best Asian tea (whether it’d be China, Iran or whichever) any day.

        I think you are one of those Americans that only watch that Olympics and disregard every other tournament, is either that or your ranking was meant to be sarcastic, in which case I’m sorry but I did not get it. the other option is that you are pulling that ranking out of you ass and you only knowledge of basketball is that the NBA is better than anything else in the world, and if that were to be the case then that is just sad sad sad sad !!!!!!!

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        • Gabe
          11 years ago

          I don’t really know, this is just a guess. We shall see. Just one thing to say, Ivory Coast beat PR and Angola is better than the Ivory Coast.

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  21. Aleksandar Zoran
    11 years ago

    Well, I sorry but that’s a fallacy, a straw man argument to say the least. After all, PR has beaten the Dream Team, Argentina, Brazil and Slovenia all of which are better than Ivory Coast or Angola but lost to Trinidad and Tobago, so does that make Trinidad and Tobago better than the Dream Team? simply put NO!!!

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    • Gabe
      11 years ago

      No, but it definitely means it is possible for Angola do place higher than Puerto Rico. Angola has beat Germany and New Zealand.

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  22. zuzu
    11 years ago

    i will bet you all just one thing if Macedonia gets a players for proper rotation and resting of the main 4 …
    None of this Teams stand a chance .On the eu championship they all have the longest time on terrain and they did superb..You want to see what they can do if they play with proper rotation check the 1 st half with Spain ..Not favoring but sorry to say i think Spain got a bit lost the first half …and then you will know how they play..They were the most exsosted players on the Eu championchip.

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  23. Aleksandar Zoran
    11 years ago

    Zuzu stop being delusional. Macedonia, rested or not, will not make it out of the 2nd round if the meet either Russia or The Dominican Republic, unless somehow South Korea pulls the biggest upset in their history and beat Russia or The DR and clear the path for Macedonia, which simply is not ever going to happen.

    Besides, you don’t even know yet if Macedonia will even make it out of their group, after all Group D might not be the toughest but it is by far the most balanced group where anything can happen, and Macedonia could easily go home without a win there.

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