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Official BallinEurope Euroleague Power Rankings: The preseason

September 27, 2010

Since BallinEurope’s Official Power Rankings were so, um, popular during the FIBA World Championships, today we’re kicking off the same schtick for the upcoming Euroleague campaign.

The rules, again: These rankings are basically purely subjective (at this point; once the games are played, actual wins and losses will be figured in) but are based loosely on last season’s performance, Euroleague seedings before the draw, transactions made in the offseason, and performances in preseason games. (Olympiacos fans, you might want to look away right now.)

Today, the EL according to BiE looks something like the following.

1. FC Barcelona – Early on, it looks like business as usual for the side that dominated European club basketball in 2009-10 (well, until that gnarly showing in the ACB Finals, that is). In the off-season, Barça mostly stood pat while adding “only” Kosta Perovic; this weekend, the Blaugrana pummeled Euroleague contenders Real Madrid and Power Electronics Valencia by 172-118 to cruise to the Spanish Super Cup. Perhaps *this* will be the year Barcelona takes a quadruple cup, eh?

2. CSKA Moscow – Though the Zoran Planinic departure hurts a bit, the nucleus of the Red Army is still around and you gotta love the addition of Jamont Gordon. Best of all, Dusko Vujosevic is on board. If coach Dusko can work one-quarter the miracle he did with Partizan in 2009-10, CSKA’s thinking Euroleague Final Four early. Combined with the new rules which should favor the stifling baseline defense the Muscovites traditionally bring, and this year may be a perfect storm for CSKA Moscow.

3. Caja Laboral Baskonia – Tiago Who? Seriously, though, despite the departures of the newest San Antonio Spur and one-year man Lior Elihayu, Baskonia may have *improved* their ACB champion team this offseason by bringing in ultra-talented youngsters Nemanja Bjelica and Dejan Musli, plus Euroleague veterans Marcus Haislip and David Logan. Imagine an all-Spanish EL final in Barcelona…

4. Panathinaikos – A few names departed (Haislip, Nikola Pekovic, Vassilis Spanoulis) while a few joined up (Aleks Maric, Romain Sato, Kostas Kaimakoglou), but most of the core (Mike Batiste, Nick Calathes, Dimitris Diamantidis, Antonis Fotsis, Drew Nicholas, Milenko Tepic) stayed put. How confident is Greens’ management that the fluke early exit from Euroleague 2009-10 won’t be repeated? Confident enough not to worry about resigning Sarunas Jasikevicius. BiE says PAO is back in 2010-11.

5. Maccabi Tel Aviv – Normally, the assemblage of a team such as Tel Aviv undertook this offseason is to be distrusted (BiE’s one of the few who will admit he doesn’t have the Miami Heat penciled in for the NBA Finals), but it’s business as usual for Maccabi: This is the fourth similar shakeup in four years. David Blatt should make for the best possible replacement in lieu of Pini Gershon, having served Maccabi as both head coach and Gershon’s assistant this decade. On paper, you have to love the additions of Jeremy Pargo and Sofoklis Schortsanitis plus intriguing NCAA grads Mikhail Torrance and Jeff Foote. Now they’ve got to actually play the games… (Though making short work of Asseco Prokom in the Wroclaw Tourney last week, 83-65, would appear to be a very good sign.

6. Montepaschi Siena – Siena did suffer quite a roster shakeup thanks to economics, but Ksistof Lavrinovic, Nikos Zisis and Shaun Stonerook stayed in Italy to steady the foundation. A couple of great new additions in Rimantas Kaukenas and Bo McCalebb should enhance this team, especially the latter who brings a slasher of the sort MPS hasn’t seen in years.

7. Real Madrid – Is Ettore Messina having claret-and-blue colored nightmares already? Barça exposed several of Madrid’s weaknesses in the Spanish Super Cup caused by way too many key departures (Louis Bullock, Travis Hansen, Marko Jaric, Rimantas Kaukenas, Darjus Lavrinovic, etc). Messina is known for his active recruiting of players throughout the season, so BiE’d advise that he start putting in some overtime right now.

8. Partizan Belgrade – They’ll always have Pionir, of course, but here’s who the Black-and-Whites won’t have for 2010-11 (among others): Aleks Maric, Bo McCalebb, Lawrence Roberts, Slavko Vranes and, most of all, coach Dusko. Surely these unheralded guys can’t make another run deep into the Euroleague playoffs … can they?

9. Lietuvos Rytas stayed mostly at home in augmenting their roster this offseason, a formula that has served them well in two seasons as back-to-back LKL champions. You many not know many of these guys now, but you should by the Euroleague knockout round.

10. Olympiacos – Josh Childress, Sofoklis Schortsanitis and team MVP Linas Kleiza are all gone. Add in the sanctions levied against the team by home league EΣAKE and BiE just can’t believe this is Olympiacos’ year. (Though you gotta love the stealing away of Vassilis Spanoulis from archrival PAO.)

11. Unicaja Malaga – Like ACB rivals Barcelona, Unicaja mostly stood pat this offseason to their benefit; BiE’s just happy to see potential deadshot Uros Tripkovic back in the big league. Could this be his breakout year (finally)?

12. Valencia – It’s a big leap from Eurocup to Euroleague, and the fifth ACB team has made a couple of nice necessary additions to supplement their bid in Omar Cook and Robertas Javtokas. Add in some nice talent held over like Victor Claver, Nando de Colo and Rafa Martínez and you might believe this team can make some noise at this level … then again, there is that Spanish Super Cup loss…

13. Fenerbahçe Ülker
14. Efes Pilsen
15. Asseco Prokom Gydnia
16. AJ Milano
– Call this quartet the “Who Can Say Bunch”: These four teams did lots of deck-shuffling this offseason and BiE’s gonna have to wait for a few more results before differentiating between these four. BiE’s favorite here, though, is clearly Gydnia, who has assembled a potentially lovable ragtag bunch of guys from obscure clubs like PGE Turow, Barangay Ginebra Kings, Associazione Basket Latina and the Los Angeles Clippers.

17. Cibona Zagreb should love the addition of Mario Delas, be interested in Marcus Johnson, and be more than somewhat concerned about making up for the playmaking abilities of the departed Jamont Gordon and Marko Tomas: The two combined for 30.3 points and 5.7 assists per Euroleague game last season.

18. Žalgiris Kaunas – In direct contrast to rivals Lietuvos Rytas, which was the first Euroleague team to have its roster set, Žalgiris is apparently still searching for that elusive missing piece. BiE might have ranked these guys higher, but the Romanov Self-Subversion Factor must be figured in

19. Brose Baskets Bamberg – One of the feel-good stories of last season, Bamberg reasserted its winning ways this weekend in taking Germany’s Domeiter Tourney.

20. Union Olimpija – Poor Olimpija. Forced to downgrade this season, the Slovenes will have to run without Jaka Klobucar and Jure Lalic in 2010-11. Not a good sign: The willingness to give Shawn King a look. Also not a good sign: a loss to Brindisi last week. A nice measuring-stick game goes off Wednesday when Olimpija gets Eurocuppers Crvena Zvezda.

21. Virtus Roma – Score from Saturday: Montegranaro 83, Roma 81. Anyone concerned yet?

22. Cholet Basket – Typical of French clubs these days, Cholet shuttled players back and forth in France to comprise this season’s roster. (Has no one told him all quality players from La Republique just go straight to the NBA?) Should Kevin Seraphin return from his NBA quest, Cholet might move up a spot or two, but 2010-11 might be another frustrating season for French basketball.

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Comments: 25
  1. Shilas
    14 years ago

    Thanks for the credit to Lietuvos Rytas (i am fan of it), but I think you underestimate our rivals Žalgiris this season. Žalgiris has not had that deep roster for many years, and the fact that your named Mario Delaš did not even have it’s place in this year Žalgiris and he has found his place in “stronger” Cibona and even strengthened it, should make you to reconsider Žalgiris place.

    On the other hand Lietuvos Rytas plays terrible in pre-season. It has lost to Tartu Rock recently.

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  2. wicek
    14 years ago

    Pietrus isnt in Valencia anymore, he is in Caja laboral for a month at least.

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    • wicek
      14 years ago

      Why is Union olimpija twice, on place 16 and 20? 🙂

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      • Os Davis
        14 years ago

        @ Wicek: Dumb typos. Thanks for the editing assist!

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  3. wicek
    14 years ago

    Now Unicaja is 11 and 16 😀 the missing teams is AJ Milano!

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  4. G
    14 years ago

    I think with regards to Zalgiris and Rytas your rankings don’t make any sense whatsoever (perhaps you weren’t following Lithuanian news this summer and especially recently?)

    With this year’s roster ( http://www.zalgiris.lt/EN/club/team ) Zalgiris is very likely to thrash Rytas in Lithuanian/Baltic leagues (btw, the team who just lost the Baltic Cup to Estonians…) and should win against teams like Prokom and Partizan. To further prove the absurdity of your ranking: you put Cibona, who borrowed a center that is at the moment not good enough for Zalgiris (Mario Delas) higher…

    I think perhaps swapping these teams around, i.e. 8. Zalgiris, 9. Partizan and 17. Lietuvos Rytas, 18. Cibona may be a good solution.

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  5. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    hehehhe zalgiris beat partizan??? maybe in lithuania by 2 points,see the roster of partizan everything will be clear to you afther that(they are gona sing 2 more palyers) so when the roster is 100 % then you will see that you don’t have a chance..

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  6. nikola
    14 years ago

    Oly is too low. They have the best European coach at the moment and the best European playmaker at the moment (Ivkovic and Teodosic). They got rid off the so called stars (Kleiza and Childress) and the awful coach; now they have good players that are willing to play as a team. And I am saying that as a hardcore Partizan fan, a true gravedigger who thinks that Dusko Vujosevic is a God on Earth.

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  7. Teo
    14 years ago

    I agree that Oly is kind of low. They still have a good core and experienced rising stars and a few of the best veterans in europe and I doubt that a team of two final fours goes tenth because they lose a few bodies… but I concur that Oly looks weaker than last year on paper, only I am not sure it translates into a worse perfomance 😉

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  8. G
    14 years ago

    Dzoni, we’ll see 🙂
    I think that our team with Collins, Brown, Watson, Salenga, Begic and 5 young but important players from the LT national team will achieve a positive points difference with Partizan. Our only problem may be the Serbian coach, who seems to be a pretty good specialist but unfortunately doesn’t… speak English :-/

    But anyway, let’s not argue, we can say Partizan is 8 and Zalgiris 9, for the moment 🙂
    (or 9 and 10, behind OLY)

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  9. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    Yeah i don’t want to argue 😀 i think you got very good team with pocius,kalnethis,brow,watson,salenga,jankunas,collins i just think partizan is little better has better couch ,and more talent vesely 20 years,djekic 19,mitrovic 20,klobucar 23, milosavljevic 21,and some very good expirienced players jawai played in NBA ,bozic,kecman… and are still waiting for singing of point guard and power foward. Aco petrovic is good couch but i think jovanovic is better.And it is such a shame that clubs from serbia and lithuania don’t have moeny wee would have best clubs in europe if wee would have moeny… image tepic,tripkovic,velickovic,perovic,pekovic in partizan or teodosic,keselj,bjelica ,raduljica in red star.. or maciulis,jasikivicius,siskauskas,javtokas,lavrinovic brothers,jasaitis all in zalgiris,evry final of euroleague would be partizan-zalgiris or red star – rytas ,i would love that to hapend but it is not so realistic…

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  10. mark cilia
    14 years ago

    Man come on are you serious,

    Yes Olympiacos lost Kleiza, Childress, etc but got
    IVKOVIC (one of the best coaches in Europe, purely seen in the World Championhips)
    SPANOULIS (still one of the best shooters in Europe)
    NIELSEN (hustler and has great IQ of the game)
    NESTEROVIC (yes I will say this “he will be the best centre in Europe this season”)
    KESELJ (hugely underated but as seen in World Championships can really play)

    This brings a starting 5 of Teodosic, Spanoulis, Kesalj, Nielsen and Nesterovic and believe me this is a very good team. Plus having a bench of Papaloukas, Bourousis is still good.

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    • pipo
      14 years ago

      You should get your facts right, Bourousis is the principal center, not Nesterovic, and if he is not affected by the injury he will dominate this year now that Pekovic has left. There is a dearth of centers in Europe and I think Bourousis is a clear leader in technical skills, though he lacks in defense. I gotta say, though I like Partizan, unless they make incredible transfers, they cannot be this high after losing so many key players. Unless Veseli really steps it up.

      Last note, Kleiza is amazing for the low key games no one cares about, but he absolutely vanishes when the heat is on. That’s what he did in the Euroleague final, in the Greek Championship finals, and in the Lithuania games against Argentina and the US. Keselj on the other hand, though untested, was phenomenal against both Spain and Turkey, against the likes of Rudy and Hido. I would like a better 4, but there aren’t any good ones available, unless David Andersen decides to come back.

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  11. nikola
    14 years ago

    Partizan losing key players in the end of every season is nothing new in Belgrade. The season before the last one Partizan lost Velickovic, Tepic, Tripkovic, Lasme; the season before that Pekovic, Palacio, Kecman; the season before that Perovic, Drobnjak, Cummings… The list goes on. Don’t worry about Partizan, in front of the best basketball crowd in the world there will always be players who are ready to step up when it matters. 🙂

    Anyway, all the best for you Zalgiris folks, good luck with coach Aco Petrovic, you’ll need it. 😀

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  12. 2 nikola
    14 years ago

    This time Partizan lost not only the players, but also most important – coach Vujosevic. He was the biggest reason of Partizan success.

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  13. Dusan
    14 years ago

    Olympiacos is 10th? Are you insane?

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  14. Manos
    14 years ago

    Come on, who writes this?
    Olympiacos 10th?
    Go do your homework…

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  15. Zoran
    14 years ago

    Olympiacos projected roster

    Coach: Dusan Ivkovic

    Spanoulis/Papaloukas/Lucas
    Teodosic/Halperin
    Keselj/Pelekanos/Papanikolaou
    Nielsen/Mavrokefalidis/Vasilopoulos
    Bourousis/Nesterovich/Glyniadakis

    There is no possible way this is the 10th best team in the Euroleague. Their 9 bench players would most likely on their own make the top 8 of the league. They also have one of the best starting fives in Europe.

    Their center rotation is one of the strongest in Europe and they have easily by far and away the best guards in the Euroleague. They also have exceptional athleticism with players like Keselj, Pelekanos, Papanikolaou, and Vasilopoulos.

    They have great defenders like Lucas, Pelekanos, Vasilopoulos, Glyniadakis, Nielsen. They have great shooters like Spanoulis, Teodosic, Vasilopoulos, Pelekanos, Keselj, Bourousis, Halperin, Papanikolaou.

    They have great ball handlers and play makers like Halperin, Spanoulis, Papaloukas, Teodosic, Lucas. They even have the work horse, do everything, glue guy, intangible guys like Nielsen, Pelekanos, Vasilopoulos, Glyniadakis.

    Not to mention great rebounders like Nielsen and Bourousis and Papaloukas, Glyniadakis, and Mavrokefalidis are excellent low post players and can command double teams in the post as well.

    They also will be deadly in the pick and role with players like Spanoulis, Bourousis, Nesterovich, Glyniadakis, Nielsen, Mavrokefalidis, Lucas, Teodosic, Papaloukas, Halperin. All of them are very good in the pick and roll.

    And just think with guys like Teodosic, Halperin, Spanoulis, Lucas, Papaloukas there will be a lot of open shots created and then look at how many shooters they have. The only guy on the team that isn’t a jump shooter is Glyniadakis.

    If they need interior post defense, shot blocking, protecting the rim and the paint they have two of the best at that in Europe with Nesterovich and Glyniadakis. Add to this the guy that is probably the best coach in Europe in Ivkovic and you have a great team.

    I don’t see CSKA hanging with Olympiacos this year because they have gotten too old. I don’t see PAO hanging with them this year either because Olympiacos now has better guards, more go to scorers, and they have a better coach. Those things were all the opposite in the past, when PAO kept beating them. Spanoulis was always the guy that won the Greek Championship with his clutch baskets down the stretch and now he is on the other team.

    Teams like Khimki, Efes, Fener, Siena, Maccabi, Malaga, Valenica, Baskonia are all good teams but not to the level of Olympiacos. The only team that is at there level is Barcelona. And truth be told, now Olympiacos has better guards and better coaching than Barca, which was the opposite last year. Olympiacos should be the favorite to win the triple crown IMHO.

    Ranking them 10th just shows an extreme bias towards NBA players and just how much NBA players are overrated and how much Euroleague players are underrated. Because Olympiacos lost the NBA players Childress and Kleiza suddenly they will be a mediocre team? Simply not true and typical extreme overrating of NBA players. Spanoulis is way better than Childress and Klieza and can actually lead a team to a triple crown as he did in 2009. Childress and Kleiza were simply terrible and awful players in big games and whenever it really mattered, while Spanoulis conversely, led his team to the Greek title the last 2 years by making huge clutch baskets down the stretch.

    I am sorry, but the rankings and comments about Olympiacos are ridiculous. They have a much stronger team than they did last year.

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  16. anaiptol
    14 years ago

    Im a Zalgiris fan.

    Rating Zalgiris 18th is not really adecvate to the rooster. Lets look at what we have.
    At PG we have Kalnietis-last season played 30+ minutes in the first group stage and is not a real point guard after all (as in, does not give a lot of assists and his ball handling wasnt so good either, though, improved). Plus, he performed quite well accually in the WC, sometimes even overshadiwing such renowed players as Teodosic, Rubio or Prigioni-this could be the breakthrough season for him. Despite all this, he still managed to lead Zalgiris into the top 16. This season Collins returned, which means Kalnietis wont have to play all game alone. And DC was the Euroleague assist leader the last time he was with Zalgiris and is now probably at the peak of his career with his atleticism in place and buckets of experience.
    At SG there is Pocius- the rising star-athletic, agressive, good shooter and so on. Brown – the all time leading Euroleague scorer – says it all. And Delnininkaitis – an underrated, in my opinion PG/SG, good shooter, without a doubt at his career best condition.
    At SF. Salenga- experience. In my opinion, he was the most solid player for Zalgiris last season. And Kuzminskas-the 20 year old rising star, an incredibly good shooter, who did amazingly well in Eurocup last season, bearing in mind his age.
    At PF- returning Jankunas, entering his what 7th or 8th Euroleague season? Averaged 14pts a game during his last season with Zalgiris. Klimavicius-an average player, but a real fighter, proved himself to be a Euroleague level player last year. And Watson-leading rebounder of the Euroleague last year.
    At C. Begic-despite being in a horrible shape last year, still managed to average 7.5pts and 4rbs a game last year(including a 20 pts game against barsa). And he has been working during the summer very hard and should finally be the starting center a respectable Euroleague team deserves. Plus, hes 220cm and that really matter, i believe. not all teams have that. Someone from the PF position will probably be helping him at the C.

    Moreover, ranking Lietuvos Rytas above Oly? With all due respect to the lithuanian powerhouse…thats just not cool… And Ulker and fenerbache below Partizan and Valaencia? Did you at least took time to skim threw the roosters of these teams before making this list? And do you know what budgets do the Turkish teams have? Last year was a misunderstanding for them.

    All this and some other things, like being so confident in Motepaschi after it being quite radicaly rebuilt (i dont say that they became weaker, but you really cant tell how things are gonna turn out for them) really makes me question the quality of this list.

    sorry for the mistakes i most probably made-i didnt bother to read threw what i have just written.

    my rating would look something like this:
    1-8 Barsa, CSKA, Pao, Maccabi, Oly, Real, Caja Laboral, Montepaschi
    9-15 Unicaja, Partizan, Zalgiris, Prokom, Ulker, Fenerbache, Valencia
    16-18 AJ, Lietuvos Rytas, Cibona
    19-22 All the rest

    Cheers, anaiptol

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  17. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    Yeah realy olimpiacos can’t be 10 th,and zoran they have singed guard jamon lucas who is also very good scorer,and kept power foward zoran erceg,who is exellent scorer,rebounder. So i think olipiacos is in top of the euroleague,they can cerntaly win the euroleague with this roster but will they?? that is dificult question casue there is many teams that could win it this year:PAO,CSKA,MACCABI,BARCA,REAL,CAJA, and i forgot to say that they have great players when it matters teodosic,spanoulis,papaloukas,keselj… all these players are not afraid to take the last shot,so i think olimpiacos is going to F4..

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  18. Dzoni
    14 years ago

    And you acctualy said TEAM MVP KLEIZA?????????? are you somking something Teodosic was euroleague MVP and best playemaker ,he hit all cluthc shots,he lead his team to finals,what Kleiza did?????? Kleiza scored 90% of his points from asitss of Teodosic and Papaloukas,also can be said about chidres even Kleiza said on World Championship that Milos helped him last season so he can sing great deal this summer ( Toronto Raptors ) so you can’t say that kleiza is team MVP ,especially afther disapearing in all big games ,euroleague finals ,greek finals….

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  19. G
    14 years ago

    some today’s scores:
    Zalgiris – PAO 76:70
    CSKA – Partizan 75:63
    Montepaschi – L.Rytas 83:63

    So, you really need to update the rankings quite substantially…

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    • Os Davis
      14 years ago

      Soon … very soon … still trying to complete all the updates to the Transfers Table…

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  20. mbenga
    14 years ago

    Caja Laboral is way too high IMO, the departure of Tiago hurts the big time and while i agree that signing Bjelica or Musli are good moves looking long term i don’t expect them to have a big impact this season (Musli might even be loaned soon). 8th or 9th would be better.

    CSKA is going to be scary this season, with the growth of Vorontsevich, Siskauskas who amazingly seems to get better every year, Smodis back in track and the wizard Dusko on command.
    That Barça – CSKA duel that MUST happen is going to be one to remember for years.

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  21. Phileus
    13 years ago

    Anonymous, I’m trying to find the discussion you’re talking about (about Kleiza being called MVP by the BiE staff) and I could only find this: http://bietemp.wpengine.com/european-basketball/euroleague/euroleague-basketball-power-rankings-preseason-7514

    Your memory seems to be pretty wrong in this case.

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